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  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    You'll notice I didn't say we should just flat out demote Jon Martin after one preseason game. I'm just saying we should think about giving Dallas Thomas some time with the 1's if this sh-t where Martin keeps practicing like crap continues. See what Dallas has. The reason I said I never thought I'd say that is, I didn't really like Dallas Thomas in the draft. And it would be ironic to me that the Dolphins start a guy at left tackle that lost his left tackle job at Tennessee. But one thing I've seen on the reports that I do like about Dallas is his attitude and competitiveness. I could have picked out him to be involved in a fight before it happened. He's got no stars in his eyes when he's lining up across from a Randy Starks, he truly thinks he's going to win that battle. His best asset in college was pass protection so you could do worse than putting him at the position on the offensive line that is the most pass protection-oriented.
     
  2. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    He seemingly was a top 20 prospect according to many draft nuts.
     
  3. ckparrothead

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    Don't tell me. It was Sports Science that measured his body fat at 3.8%. And considering the fun gadgets they have all around that facility, I think it's safe to say they didn't measure it with a scale they picked up at wal-mart.
     
  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No matter how fast ones metabolism is, unless he's eating canned tuna and distilled water he's highly unlikely to be at 3%, at that % he would be very susceptible to infection, for it can have an impact on his immune system..at his reported weight he's no where near that now, and I'm sure he never was, probably in college he was a 6 or 7, like I said, even someone with a high metabolism still has to go to extreme measures to get down to 3%..carb depletion, the whole gammet..
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yeah but unless they dropped him in water scale it's probably off CK.
     
  6. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Wouldn't he be susceptible to hypothermia in just a (non-heated) pool at that low a fat %? Specifically an ice bath though.
     
  7. SICK

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    Not if he's furry.
     
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  8. ckparrothead

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    I don't think it's just a matter of being spoiled to be honest.

    I get where you're coming from, but I look for objective facts to anchor us a bit.

    From 2008 to 2012, Pro Football Focus recorded 394 offensive tackles that took at least 150 pass blocking snaps in a season. If you were to take the number of plays where these tackles allowed pressure (hurry, hit, sack) on the QB and divide it into total snaps, you find the average is about 7.3% with a standard deviation of about 2.3%.

    Jonathan Martin in TOTAL ranked #353 out of 394. That's 90th percentile over a group of offensive tackles that spanned 5 seasons.

    It gets a little worse when you break him down a little bit though, because he played right tackle and he played left tackle during the year. He played enough snaps at both positions to qualify for the study so let's say you broke him down into two players and therefore we now have 395 qualifying players.

    The Jonathan Martin at right tackle ranks #340 out of 395 (86th percentile) in terms of pressure per pass protection.

    The Jonathan Martin at left tackle ranks #371 out of 395 (94th percentile) in terms of pressure per pass protection.

    His percentage at left tackle was nearly two whole standard deviations outside of the mean.

    So no I don't think it's a matter of being spoiled by Jake Long and unused to the idea of having a guy that is sub-par. It's a matter of having a left tackle that last year performed like the 2nd or 3rd worst left tackle in the league. That's what we have to live with if he doesn't improve. Getting his *** handed to him on the daily by Olivier Vernon and Dion Jordan doesn't suggest there's been much improvement.
     
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  9. ckparrothead

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    They have freaking goggles they put on quarterbacks that measure how quickly the QB locks onto a blinking target with his eyes. They have the implements to measure how much force you're hitting a dummy bag with, and they have the implements to measure the exact angle to the ground at which an athlete cuts when he's trying to change direction. They measure G forces in movement. They measure spin moves in terms of degrees per second and they had Brandon Weeden nailing sporting clays with a football as they crossed his vision at 50 miles per hour.

    Is it really that far into the realm of disbelief that when they measure a dude's body fat percentage they'd be using some fairly sophisticated technology?
     
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  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Fat is natural insulation so absolutely it can increase the risk..
     
  11. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Lol, I know right, but body fat testing is a process, and the only way to be somewhat accurate is to have a special contraption that lowers him in the water, or something similar to an MRI machine, I just don't think the show would go to that extreme for a boring piece of information, ( I dont recall them don't body fat in other prospects) the most common method is calipers, and if a pro is doing it, they can give you a range, also I think it sounds cooler to say 3.5 % body fat instead of 6 so they probably took the lower number on. their averages.

    Either way, the man is densely muscular and highly vascular, he's under 10 and at 250 lbs that's freakish.
     
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  12. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    Soooooo, if I read this correctly, the burned off fat from Dion Jordan, blew by Jonathon Martin to sack Tannehill, but its sack celebration was picked off by Will Davis.

    Did I miss anything?
     
  13. SICK

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    Pro Football Focus ranked me in 10th percentile as far as beer gut to neck muscle ratio. :up:
     
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  14. Fin D

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    I can verify the part about you having strong neck muscles.
     
  15. jdang307

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    So hopefully his peas and carrot were safe!

    Wait what?
     
  16. PhinsRock

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    Am I worried about the OL? Yes, am I ready to hit the panic button yet? No way!

    Jonathan Martin was ranked rather high as a LT draft prospect and did a yeoman's job for years in college, or Luck wouldn't likely have produced the numbers he did. Last year we started him as a rookie at RT, then stuck him at LT with 4(?) games left. Did he perform poorly, by NFL standards I guess so, as a rookie? Not so sure.

    Our coaching staff see enough in him to put their marbles in his basket this season so to speak. He's going up against what I truly believe will be a # 1-2 top ranked DL in practice in his Sophomore year. He has 5 preseason games to play yet, so why is everyone so fast to hit the sky is falling button already? Frankly I'm more worried about our seemingly poor Plan B but it seems half the posts in this thread are in a panic over Martin, while the other half of the posts are about DJordan and how incredible they expect him to be.

    Make up you minds people :lol:
     

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