Thoughts on benching Tua?

"Rick 1966 wrote:

I've heard all this crap before. "Give him more time, give him a better O-line, give him a better running game, give him better wide receivers..." Heard it for Jay Fielder, Chad Henne, Ryan Tannehill and now for Tua. We gave each of the first three multiple seasons to prove they could do the job and during those seasons, we passed up chances to get better QBs in favor of getting a supporting cast for the one we had. It has never worked because you don't need multiple seasons to tell if a QB has superstar talent. They may make mistakes, may throw some bad INTs, may have setbacks due to injury, but you can tell by their play that they're going to be special. Even Drew Brees, who someone compared Tua to, showed big-time promise in his lone start in his rookie year. He had to overcome what a lot of rookie gunslingers have, which is bad interceptions.
Tua doesn't have the arm or the field vision to be a star QB. At some point, after a few years, he may be a good NFL QB. Just good. No better than that. Not worth the fifth overall pick and not worth keeping us from drafting someone better.

Ive read long debates in 2002 on the other site, people actually debating who is better, Fiedler or Brady.. and i was just taken aback by the ridiculousness of that thread, me having watched what Brady was capable of winning a Super Bowl, and what he did in Michigan. Brady was no slouch in Michigan, he wasnt some guy who came out of nowhere just cause of his draft pick. He had the nickname “the comeback kid” in college..

Ive read the Culpepper Manifesto thread... there were people who were trying to convince us that Culpepper was better than Brees... that tri-ligament tear was easier to recover than a torn rotator cuff.. meanwhile he comes bsck and his footing was off and he was never able to plant that leg the same again..

they got it wrong with Henne.. there was a cult folllowing with Henne, they fel ij love after that bomb he threw to Ginn over Revis and never got over it...

it wasnt until Tannehill got traded away and saw his career on the line that they got it right with him..

And now the same people who debated in favor of Fiedler and Culpepper are out here defending Tua.. this cult following is here until Flores turns off that lights on Tua... and hopefully its sooner rather than later.

Let me remind everyone something, the 2022 quarterback class is going to be the weakest in decades. This is the class to take a qb, even if its not the first round, the second and third round qbs are better prospects than anything we will see in 2022.

"Vertical Limit wrote:

Ive read long debates in 2002 on the other site, people actually debating who is better, Fiedler or Brady.. and i was just taken aback by the ridiculousness of that thread, me having watched what Brady was capable of winning a Super Bowl, and what he did in Michigan. Brady was no slouch in Michigan, he wasnt some guy who came out of nowhere just cause of his draft pick. He had the nickname “the comeback kid” in college..

Ive read the Culpepper Manifesto thread... there were people who were trying to convince us that Culpepper was better than Brees... that tri-ligament tear was easier to recover than a torn rotator cuff.. meanwhile he comes bsck and his footing was off and he was never able to plant that leg the same again..

they got it wrong with Henne.. there was a cult folllowing with Henne, they fel ij love after that bomb he threw to Ginn over Revis and never got over it...

it wasnt until Tannehill got traded away and saw his career on the line that they got it right with him..

And now the same people who debated in favor of Fiedler and Culpepper are out here defending Tua.. this cult following is here until Flores turns off that lights on Tua... and hopefully its sooner rather than later.

Let me remind everyone something, the 2022 quarterback class is going to be the weakest in decades. This is the class to take a qb, even if its not the first round, the second and third round qbs are better prospects than anything we will see in 2022.

Very well put.
I was willing to give Tua a shot. I was concerned because of his injury, but I was willing to reserve judgement. I had no preconceived notion about his abilities as a QB, I was just worried about his hip.
But now, the evidence is there and the people willing to ignore it are indeed the same ones willing to ignore the shortcomings of Jay Fiedler. I remember very well the last time we went 10-6 and missed the playoffs. We had the number one defense in the league, the leading sacker, the leading tackler and the leading rusher in the NFL. And we missed the playoffs because of one man: Jay Fiedler. (Two if you count Dave Wannstedt.)

"Vertical Limit wrote:

Im a huge believer of BPA.. especially when the BPA is a playmaker... if They feel Chase is BPA at #3, and Najee Harris is BPA at #18... i mean whos gonna complain about that on this site?

I'm sure quite a few people will. There's people here who will complain no matter what.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

Very well put.
I was willing to give Tua a shot. I was concerned because of his injury, but I was willing to reserve judgement. I had no preconceived notion about his abilities as a QB, I was just worried about his hip.
But now, the evidence is there and the people willing to ignore it are indeed the same ones willing to ignore the shortcomings of Jay Fiedler. I remember very well the last time we went 10-6 and missed the playoffs. We had the number one defense in the league, the leading sacker, the leading tackler and the leading rusher in the NFL. And we missed the playoffs because of one man: Jay Fiedler. (Two if you count Dave Wannstedt.)

I see you're a man that struggles with perspective. Give Tua an off-season to get his body in shape or better shape, an OC who is in sync with his game and get him some God damn weapons that don't constantly get hurt or drop passes. What is going on in your heads? You're panicking.

I'm not 100% sold on Tua yet but I'm not going to act like a zit-face fantasty league owner and do something stupid on impulse.

"Ronnie Bass wrote:

I see you're a man that struggles with perspective. Give Tua an off-season to get his body in shape or better shape, an OC who is in sync with his game and get him some God damn weapons that don't constantly get hurt or drop passes. What is going on in your heads? You're panicking.

I'm not 100% sold on Tua yet but I'm not going to act like a zit-face fantasty league owner and do something stupid on impulse.

He doesn't have the killer instinct/mentality to win in the NFL.

"Destroyer wrote:

He doesn't have the killer instinct/mentality to win in the NFL.

What a stupid take, no offense.

"Ronnie Bass wrote:

What a stupid take, no offense.

We will see who is right next year.

"Destroyer wrote:

We will see who is right next year.

For me it's not about being right, it's about doing the right thing, and the right thing is you don't panic and jump the gun. Name one thing Tua had going for him this year, ONE THING. He had an offseason that mostly rehab, he had no preseason to craft his game, he had the youngest OL in the league protecting him, ALL of his top offensive weapons were hurt for a good part of the year and even when healthy dropped too many passes. On top of all that he had a OC who needs to retire. If all this was the opposite and today was the result, then yeah, you'd have a leg to stand on calling for Tua departure.

"Ronnie Bass wrote:

I see you're a man that struggles with perspective.

You don't see half of what you think you see, and what you do see is distorted.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

You don't see half of what you think you see, and what you do see is distorted.

Ok Sparky! :up:

"Ronnie Bass wrote:

Ok Sparky! :up:

Yeah, whatever. There's no panic involved. I am dolorously certain that Tua will take at least two full seasons to develop to his full potential and that his full potential will be no better than a very good QB. Not saying he'll achieve that, saying it's his ceiling. And a very good QB is not worth a top five pick and is not going to take us to the SB. If we want this team to do anything significant, we need a Pro Bowl caliber QB. And that means we need to draft another QB and keep doing it until we find one talented enough to carry this team.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

Yeah, whatever. There's no panic involved. I am dolorously certain that Tua will take at least two full seasons to develop to his full potential and that his full potential will be no better than a very good QB. Not saying he'll achieve that, saying it's his ceiling. And a very good QB is not worth a top five pick and is not going to take us to the SB. If we want this team to do anything significant, we need a Pro Bowl caliber QB. And that means we need to draft another QB and keep doing it until we find one talented enough to carry this team.

This is hysterical - you have no idea if Tua is not capable of being a Pro Bowl QB based on this season alone. Stop it.

I'm willing to give Tua another shot next year for sure. I've seen enough from him that tells me he deserves another look. I mean...5th overall pick in the draft. It's a little premature to give up on him so early. I think a lot of the circumstances surrounding him will also be taken into consideration. There's no need to jump the gun on him this early. With all that said, he was downright awful today when it mattered the most and that doesn't sit well with me at all. I'm not going to say that he's NOT the answer, but I definitely think that we need to draft another quarterback in April. At the very least...We need to bring in some competition for him. I'd be all for Fitz coming back and drafting another rookie in the early rounds. WE have to keep throwing darts at the position until one of them hits. 22 years now! A slog of retreads, a couple of promising rookies that never delivered, and now Tua. I like Tua, quite a bit more than most on here, and I say that we give him another year! But if Justin Fields is sitting there at 3, i'm taking him. If Kyle Trask is there at 16 or wherever we pick with our other selection...I'm taking him. I know it seems like an overreaction, but JUST IN CASE Tua isn't our guy, we'll have other options.

"Ronnie Bass wrote:

This is hysterical - you have no idea if Tua is not capable of being a Pro Bowl QB based on this season alone. Stop it.

Okay, Sparky.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

Okay, Sparky.

Original! Just like your opinions here! :lol:

"Ronnie Bass wrote:

Original! Just like your opinions here! :lol:

The times I have been wrong about a Dolphins QB are rare, and almost always it was when I was too optimistic. You keep hitting that pipe and taking hits of false hope. I went cold turkey.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

The times I have been wrong about a Dolphins QB are rare, and almost always it was when I was too optimistic. You keep hitting that pipe and taking hits of false hope. I went cold turkey.

Oh, you didn't tell me you were a QB genius, that's a horse of a different color!

"Ronnie Bass wrote:

Oh, you didn't tell me you were a QB genius, that's a horse of a different color!

And you're acting like part of a horse of a different color.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

And you're acting like part of a horse of a different color.

By being sensible? Ok Sparky!

"Ronnie Bass wrote:

By being sensible? Ok Sparky!

You're not being sensible, you're delaying your judgement because you don't feel like you've seen enough. And maybe you haven't. Maybe you just don't pay enough attention to NFL QBs to be able to discern when one has that extra something special. Don't beat yourself up over it. Not everyone has the ability to pay attention and process information.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

You're not being sensible, you're delaying your judgement because you don't feel like you've seen enough. And maybe you haven't. Maybe you just don't pay enough attention to NFL QBs to be able to discern when one has that extra something special. Don't beat yourself up over it. Not everyone has the ability to pay attention and process information.

Yeah that's it Sparky! Now go chase a firetruck.

"Ronnie Bass wrote:

Yeah that's it Sparky! Now go chase a firetruck.

I wonder if you actually believe that makes you sound pithy or intelligent. Pro tip: it doesn't.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

You're not being sensible, you're delaying your judgement because you don't feel like you've seen enough. And maybe you haven't. Maybe you just don't pay enough attention to NFL QBs to be able to discern when one has that extra something special. Don't beat yourself up over it. Not everyone has the ability to pay attention and process information.

I think it's possible that your'e also rushing your judgement. You tell us how you are a QB genius and nobody is going to care much less believe you.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

I wonder if you actually believe that makes you sound pithy or intelligent. Pro tip: it doesn't.

I don't care what you think, no offense.

One thing is for certain, Tua needs some serious competition and needs to win the starting job and not just be handed the job away from a QB who is clearly playing better and is a better leader.