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This is why those two read option runs were so important.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Dec 12, 2013.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    would it be fair to say that you think the trait in Tannehill to run this formation was underutilized from the beginning? and if used more often from the start of the season, it would or would not of hindered him from developing his pocket skills?
     
  2. rafael

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    I believe it would have helped the team in the short-term, ie. wins. I don't think it would have hurt RT's development in the long-term unless they went to an inordinate number of runs or read plays. I think that's what happened with Newton, Ckap and RG3. They looked better than they were b/c the read covered their weaknesses (moved the chains and made reads from the pocket easier). Those guys are behind RT in terms of reading from the pocket (Newton did make a jump in his third year, though). IMO they could have called three true read-options per game for RT all year without stunting his development or significantly increasing his odds of getting hurt while significantly increasing the teams odds of winning. Obviously it's a matter of balance and opinion, but that's how I think they should have approached it.
     
  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Kapernick has posted a qbr of over 100 over the last three games..

    Career qbr of 90 +.

    Has over 400 yards rushing this year..

    Less attempts this year relative to last..

    Proven playmaker under pressure.

    Lead his team to the Super Bowl in 2nd year..

    His game doesn't belong in the context you put him in..
     
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  4. rafael

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    I'm a big fan of CKap's game. He struggles against a team like Seattle b/c they have the D to make him play from the pocket. He needs to develop that ability since it is the most critical for a QB to be able to have long-term success. However, it's a mistake to act like having your QB run occasionally will stunt him. The fact is that it adds additional stress on the D. It makes their job harder and makes the QB's reads easier. It simply increases your team's chances of success. IMO Miami's failure to utilize RT's running abilities has left a few wins on the table these last two seasons. That's on the coaches. As I stated above and many other times. They could have helped the team win by using a little read-option while still forcing RT to primarily attack from the pocket.
     
  5. djphinfan

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    If they win these next three games, and run the formation in the process doing so, I guess we could say they didn't want to take away pocket reps early in the season and didn't want to use practice time in the process, and once they felt Ryan was ready they implemented more...that's giving them a serious benefit of the doubt.
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Oooooo k, now were talking..I've been trying to justify Sherman's development process, and what I think I've talked myself into is that the philosophy to purposely constrict him to pocket development in practice and games was the first part of the development that had to be done to get what you wanted long term, the necessary evil...your saying that a little bit of running the formation while he's being trained from the pocket would of been fine and would of arrived at the same point he is now anyways, while being more effective and dangerous in the interim, essentially we wasted the legs and the talent to run the formation because of some false overblown philosophy??and may even in fact cost us some wins?

    Another question...with his progress, and lets say for arguments sake, he plays well and finishes strong, could you not make a case for Sherman's philosophy?
     
  7. Fineas

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    I think the reason he struggles against a team like Seattle is that they have a very good pass defense. Probably the league's best. Drew Brees has no problem making plays from the pocket but he looked like a shell of himself against Seattle.
     
  8. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    well if that the case, that the Seattle defense is tough on pocket passers,then Kaps game is a better matchup because of his ability to make plays..
     
  9. rafael

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    You could make the argument vs. what was done with Newton or RG3, but I'm not sure I would buy the argument that 3 read options a game would have been the difference that makes RT less effective from the pocket.
     
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  10. rafael

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    Brees and the Saints look lil a shell of themselves whenever they play on the road.
     
  11. Fineas

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    The Saints certainly aren't the same on the road, but they still generally score more than 7 pts.
     
  12. djphinfan

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    he does this, in situations that are critical, were gonna be just fine moving forward..haven't quite seen that instinct come naturally to him yet..
     

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