"the wild hog" offense
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dolfan06New MemberOPwas started here in arkansas by Houston Nutt. the pats didn't know how to stop it
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SICKforum_veteranI'm sure in the very long history of football someone lined the running back in the quaterback position before....i doubt highly it was invented at arkansas.....sorry
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Stitchesluxury_box"SickFinFan33 wrote:
I'm sure in the very long history of football someone lined the running back in the quaterback position before....i doubt highly it was invented at arkansas.....sorry
It wasn't invented at Arkansas.
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SICKforum_veteran"Stitches wrote:
It wasn't invented at Arkansas.
he said "started" I said "invented" close enough......:lol:
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Stitchesluxury_box"SickFinFan33 wrote:
he said "started" I said "invented" close enough......:lol:
Well the wild hog did start at Arkansas, lol, but it is the same as the wildcat offense which I don't think was invented at Arkansas.
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Vampire BabyNew MemberThe direct snap can be very tricky to run.
Behind the scenes there was some serious game planning going on this week.
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"Stitches wrote:
Well the wild hog did start at Arkansas, lol, but it is the same as the wildcat offense which I don't think was invented at Arkansas.
Yes, it came from Harrison HS, in Harrison, AR. It was brought to the Hogs by Lee's predecessor at OC for the Razorbacks.
Sorry, wrong info: It was brought to the Hogs by Gus Malzahn, now the OC at Uof Tulsa, when he was the Hogs OC. He came to the Razorbacks after being the OC at Springdale(AR) HS for a few years. He was the predecessor of Lee at U of Arkansas.
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BuckeyeKingNew MemberOhio St ran it with Ginn in his years at OSU.
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DonShula84moderatorIt's an old offense. Tom Jackson was talking about people running it against UofL when he went their and Lee Corso talking about how to defend against it back in the day. Arkansas, or the HS coach they got to be their OC didnt invent it. They just used it.
dolfan06New Member"Stitches wrote:
It wasn't invented at Arkansas.
the direct snap to a running back has been done before, the single wing has been done before. but both at the same time with the option to run or throw was done first at Arkansas.
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It was the brainchild (for us anyways) of David Lee who was also at Arkansas the last few seasons prior to joining the 'Boys...
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The wild hog didn't retain the QB i thought? hence them calling this one the "wildcat".
either way the origins are correct, and i love the call. college football is often more exciting than NFL just because of the crazier plays.... more fun to watch. I think its obvious that we can thank Lee for this and NOT Henning.... i think Henning was out of his comfort zone in the playcalling, but it obviously worked. i credit Lee's pushing of using this play to the success. I'm glad Henning finally adapted and started doing things that fit the talents of this team though. :up:
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please get your facts straight, i live 1/2 hour from U of A in fayetteville, i know!
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anlgpNew MemberA variation of the spread-option and the single wing, the "Wildcat," or "Wild Hog" as it was called at the University of Arkansas where Dolphins quarterbacks coach David Lee ran it last year, actually dates back to the 1950s when Kansas State first utilized it.
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dolfan06New Memberbut in the 50's version they used one back. this offense uses two backs and can be snapped to either one.:yes:
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dolfan06New Member"DonShula84 wrote:
It's an old offense. Tom Jackson was talking about people running it against UofL when he went their and Lee Corso talking about how to defend against it back in the day. Arkansas, or the HS coach they got to be their OC didnt invent it. They just used it.
i didn't say invented, i said "started". Lee brought it out of moth balls, inserted another back and called it the "wild hog" instead of "wildcat":yes:
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dolfan06New Memberthe 'WILD HOG" was started in arkansas, SORRY!
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SICKforum_veteran"dolfan06 wrote:
the 'WILD HOG" was started in arkansas, SORRY!
maybe the NAME- "wild hog"
but not the formation itself....
comon man....thats like saying the dolphins started the 2 back system....because we are dolphin fans....this game has been around a long time, it is foolish to think that this was started in arkansas not that long ago....
and my highschool coach started the wing-T offense....:rolleyes:
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dolfan06New Member"SickFinFan33 wrote:
maybe the NAME- "wild hog"
but not the formation itself....
comon man....thats like saying the dolphins started the 2 back system....because we are dolphin fans....this game has been around a long time, it is foolish to think that this was started in arkansas not that long ago....
and my highschool coach started the wing-T offense....:rolleyes:
the single wing with 2 backs WAS started in arkansas, i've got an email to the editor in kansas we''ll know for sure in a day or two.
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dolfan06New Member"SickFinFan33 wrote:
maybe the NAME- "wild hog"
but not the formation itself....
comon man....thats like saying the dolphins started the 2 back system....because we are dolphin fans....this game has been around a long time, it is foolish to think that this was started in arkansas not that long ago....
and my highschool coach started the wing-T offense....:rolleyes:
name or otherwise the dolphins copied the razorbacks. i don't have any problem with somebody having another opinion than mine, as long as they have one and just don't try to discredit mine. as of now i'll just let it go. PEACE OUT FRIEND!:hi5:
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SICKforum_veteran"dolfan06 wrote:
name or otherwise the dolphins copied the razorbacks. i don't have any problem with somebody having another opinion than mine, as long as they have one and just don't try to discredit mine. as of now i'll just let it go. PEACE OUT FRIEND!:hi5:
your statement is not one of opinion....you are claiming that this formation/style of offense was STARTED at arkansas.....i say that in this long history of football i find it hard to believe that this formation was STARTED at arkansas a few years ago......
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"dolfan06 wrote:
i didn't say invented, i said "started". Lee brought it out of moth balls, inserted another back and called it the "wild hog" instead of "wildcat":yes:
He may have added to it like Walsh did with the WCO.
dolfan06New Member"alen1 wrote:
He may have added to it like Walsh did with the WCO.
this is correct, the single wing is an old offense, arkansas just added a back.:wink2:
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SICKforum_veteran"dolfan06 wrote:
this is correct, the single wing is an old offense, arkansas just added a back.:wink2:
you added a back so you "started it" ???
that's like saying sense you added chocolate chips to the mix you "started" cookies.........
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"SickFinFan33 wrote:
you added a back so you "started it" ???
that's like saying sense you added chocolate chips to the mix you "started" cookies.........
I think I understand what dolfan06 is saying. The original single-wing offense that Pop Warner came up with did not feature the extra back. With the addition of the back, the scheme/formation is its own. For example, Don Coryell's offense was originally the WCO. Paul Brown then add his own stuff to it and then it eventually ended up with Bill Walsh. Walsh added his stuff which was then known as the WCO while Coryell's offense is known as "Air Coryell." Basically, he's saying that Arkansas started the "Wildhog" offense while Pop Warner invented the single-wing.