The Talent Surrounding Ryan Tannehill: Part II

And yet he won with a rather meek Wr corps

Not a believer in Qbr meaning much uab, what matters is making the throws that count when they are there imo.

 

Welker is leading the league as it is FN.

FWIW, 130 more attempts is like 3 games for Tannehill..

 

Funny you mention Eli.
He didn't post an 87+ passer rating until 2009 when he had a great receiving trio in 1st round Nicks, Manningham, and a healthy Pro Bowl Steve Smith. 93.1 QBR to be exact, compared to his first 5 year average of 76.1.

In 2010, Steve Smith was injured, and Eli's passer rating dropped to 85.3. To be more precise, after Smith went down in game eight, 4 of Eli's final 8 games saw QBRs below 64.0.

Then in 2011, with the stellar trio of Nicks, Cruz, and Manningham, Eli's QBR was again 90+ and looking great.

This year, with Manningham gone and Nicks dinged up, Eli's QBR has dropped yet again, to 83.6 this time.

 

I'm not the one arguing Qbr phinsational.

And one did note with Smith out, but those high picks on the roster, his qbr dropped?



I'm far mor of a completion percentage and Td to Int ratio person.

 

PS:
Apparently you've never seen this guy called Victor Cruz and the plays he MAKES for his QB, poorly thrown ball or not, defenders in his face or not, unlike Brian Hartline. You should take a look at him and see all the things Hartline & Bess will never be able to do, and as such continue to limit the offense's potential.

[video=youtube;3_5zpBaJ9V8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_5zpBaJ9V8[/video]

 

Simmer down FN, simmer down..I follow you, one wants more of a head to head focus on YAC.

Eh, it's a loongg offseason, plenty of time for that FN.

Tell you what strikes me, is we have 3 players in the top 75 in YAC, two are FA's, no one else even rates.

Seems to me we'd be better served keeping those 3 and adding pieces around them.

 

That Cruz guy, he was a UDFA was he not?

 

LOL. yeah, nice try there. More crap argument by you. Name ONE these "high pick" receivers who is truly READY to contribute in NY's offense.

 

As you astutely pointed out, Nicks was a first rd pick the yr before Smith was injured.

Add in, Manning was in yr what, 6? 7?

And do notice, they drafted Nicks after their established, though limited, Wr's had already won a Sb.

manningham started 0 games in 08, Smith 4 games.

 

So that's your argument?--> trying to use the EXCEPTION to the norm as a reason to forego high picks on receiver and instead seek out UDFAs to fill legitimate receiver needs? If that's not f'd up logic I don't know what is.

Cruz is an outstanding player, which is all that matters. The higher the draft pick used, the better the chance you have at finding a great player, not the other way around, brobeans. You wanna compare lists of great 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round receivers to those from the 6th, 7th, and FA, and see whose is longer? I'll even do it outside in 30 degree weather and mine will still be longer. lol

 

Was saying that FN, more such statistical effort is more for the offseason then 12:38 am the day after Christmas.

I've pointed this out several times though, watch were THill should be hitting the receivers, above the hips and below the shoulders towards the inside of the field.

He does not do that consistently and this is one of the limiting factors in our YAC total.

Not the only one mind you, more what is actually there is not maximized.

 

... who has been dinged up this year, like I already mentioned when pointing out how his stats dropped this year w/o Manningham and with a banged up Cruz.

That doesn't explain a 10 point drop from 93 QBR to 83 QBR, nor from 93 to 85 when his WR corps is lessened.

yup, and Eli's 2008 production struggled b/c of it with just 21 TDs, 3200 yards, and 6.8 y/a

...... and then in the playoffs?...OUCH.
Against a good Philly defense, Eli and NY's passing game SUCKED. 40.7 QBR. 2 INTs. 0 TDs. 23-11 loss.

Ya see, that can tend to happen verse great defenses when you do NOT have the overall talent at receiver to match up. That was Atlanta's problem, and it was the MAIN reason they gave up so much to get Julio Jones. It doesn't matter how good your combined seasonal stats "appear" if your WR personnel makes it difficult to beat great defenses.

 

But how could that be Phinsational, they drafted Manningham+Smith and signed Burress?

And it turned, out, darn it, UDFA Cruz out played them both in NYG?

 

Why not produce an example of the QBR going up after decreasing wr talent on the offense. I mean if the QBR has nothing to do with WRs then it should not be too hard to find a many examples confirming it.

 

Tannehill needs to improve. He has a GOOD season for being a raw rookie. I know some of you Jeff Ireland lovers want to make the case that we have enough receiver talent to win, but that is simply not the case.

 

You are right this team is great, Tannehill sucks. We would be 15-1 with Matt Ryan.

 

Why even draft receivers? Get a great qb and surround him with UDFA. If he is any good, he will produce.

 

That is not a good "check"*of your correlation.

And yet, as has been pointed out to you repeatedly, there's the problem with Luck. Luck is supposedly producing at a much higher level, yet his rating is lower than Tanny's. You have to account for that. You have to account for more TDs. You have to account for a better record. There's difference between them yet the stat you swear deals with individual performance is worse.

You have yet to explain how completed passes is not a 2 man stat.

 

We'll see, we have 3 players in the top 75 in YAC, 2 are FA's.

If they leave, (Bush and Hartline) we have:

-Daniel Thomas
-Lamar Miller
-Marcus Thigpen

to replace Bush, DTrain flashes but is injury prone, Miller has 170 career yards and Thigpen is rarely used in the offense

Hartline leaves:

-Absolutely no one

I'm in favor of retaining those two and adding pieces around them rather than doing what Ireland does:

-"I'm not overpaying, trust me"

How nice, Armon Binns: beast, we have dopey on the chain gun so to speak.

But he will sign Jake Long

 

I resign both. I pay Hartline as a number 2 because that is what he is.

 

Also Tannehill would be BETTER with a guy that can take a 5 yard pass into a 30 yard gain. He would be BETTER with consistent TE. It's common sense.

 

I would as well, but I'd DRAFT a Wr and SIGN a Te.

Unless they just have a ton of faith in Matthews developing, which is not impossible rather you don't go all in on that proposition.

Fasano is good, but replace able, but very much an Ireland type who is good all around but not a playmaker.

Fasano also leads us in receiving Td's which means:

-Leading rusher
-Leading Receiver
-Leading Td scorer

All FA's with not much behind them.

 

Never said I was all knowning. Stop projecting. I base it on the fact that our receivers have 3 touchdowns this year and neither of them have ever been red zone threats. Look I know you think that Ireland is a great gm, but it is simply no so:
1.) Offensive line still shaky
2.) No Te
3.) replaced Marshall with Nanee

 

Still defending yourself, Galileo?

 

I would draft a pass rusher in the first and a wr and TE in the 2nd round.

 

Using my retorts again? How do you not see the irony in that?

I'm checking in, because I'm wondering how, in the hell that Cam Cameron should be in, is this 21-page troll still going.

 

Objectively a great receivers helps Qbs. Everyone in the business would tell you that. I forgot that you are that much smarter the everyone.