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The Rooney Rule...PC Gone Mad

Discussion in 'SoapBox - Rants forum' started by The_Dark_Knight, Jan 6, 2011.

  1. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Reading through the threads this morning about the Dolphins' effort to land the latest flavor of the month, Jim Harbaugh, often I saw references to the Rooney Rule.

    Now, while I am ALL for equal opportunity for all, mandating a team MUST interview a black candidate for a head coaching position, to give blacks an "opportunity" to be a head coach is utter madness, and why?

    A head coach and his coaching staff during training camp...they evaluate talent during camp. Scribbling on clipboards...stopwatches a ticking...blocking drills...tackling drills...the coaching staff isn't looking at the color of the skin of these players. They're looking at who gives their team the ABSOLUTE BEST CHANCE to win.

    Shouldn't a football team's owner be doing the exact same thing when evaluating available coaches? Looking at the available candidates, regardless of skiin color, evaluating who he feels gives his team the ABSOLUTE BEST CHANCE to win?

    Besides, the Rooney Rule in my humble opinon is symbolically stupid as it doesn't MANDATE the hiring of minority head coaches. I can only imagine how someone like Ray Rhodes or any other non contender minority interviewee would feel when approached by a team for a head coaching interview..."Oh great, I'm the token black candidate who this team doesn't really want, but they have to interview someone...thanks for nothing"

    Just expressing frustration over what I perceive as true stupidity. :pity:
     
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  2. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    Mike Tomlin said the rooney rule is one of the reasons (main reason) he was hired in pitt, because whoever was making the decisions at pitt, was sitting in on one of his "stupid, pointless" rooney-rule interviews years prior, and was impressed with what he saw.

    These coaches take it serious, and they go through the process as if they have a legit shot to get the job. You never know what next hot-shot gm is just a assistant at the time, who will remember your interview and when they needing a HC they call them up.

    I agree the actual basis is done incorrectly. It seems they went from giving minorities a shot to, parading one random black guy in the room to satisfy the rule. But it is a little more than that. It just looks bad from the outside looking in.
     
  3. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    It's a pain in the ***, but I don't have a problem with it. If an organization prepares correctly, it shouldn't hinder their ability to hire the right guy for the job.
     
  4. firedan

    firedan Well-Known Member

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    I think the reason Tomlin was hired at Pitt was because they were familiar with him and he had been groomed for the job .
    The Rooney rule is in place because of incidents that occured in the past.Society in the NFL has got to a point where people are now hired for their qualifications and not what color they happen to be.
    If all of society was like that they wouldn't need such a rule.
     
  5. frags

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    Per a source, it seems likely with Bowles wrapped up in Dallas that we will interview Hue Jackson. Only time will tell.
     
  6. frags

    frags New Member

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    Actually, they planned on hiring Whisenhunt and brought in Tomlin to satisfy the Rule only to find out they liked Tomlin more.

    Dam iPhone autocorrect...
     
  7. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    And.....as Ethan Skolnick recalled last night....because a former Dolphins exec felt Tomlin was too 'hip hop'.

    Today's NFL players don't respond to that. Cam Cameron was just what we needed.

    Seriously, said former exec advised Tomlin was too hip hop and Ethan says that's why we passed. I cannot imagine Tomlin interviewed for the biggest job of his life quoting Pac and Biggie. I can't imagine he wore his pants below his *** and needed a Barbara Billingsley ("Oh stewardess? I speak jive.") to communicate with Huizenga. From what I recall, reports were that he was impressive.

    The rule can be a pain in the ***, I agree. Ideally it doesn't exist and everything is on a level playing field. But this is why it still exists.
     
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  8. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    That is hilarious if true. Only thing that woulda made it funnier is if Tomlin acted Hip-Hop on purpose, knowing he was the Rooney Rule interviewee. With a do-rag and a huge Cadillac gold chain and ****.
     
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  9. MarinePhinFan

    MarinePhinFan Banned

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    The Roony Rule is crap. It's his team, his business and he should be able to hire whomever he wants.

    Do people really believe that a guy who spends 1.1 BILLION on a business and then pays 100's of MILLIONS to his employee's, most of whom are minorities, is not going to hire someone because they are black? They are going to hire the best available to make their business money. White, black, green, blue or yellow.

    And even if there were a person stupid enough to hire a head coach based on something as dumb as skin color they wouldn't last long because they would be missing out on some great talent. ​
     
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  10. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Well, while I agree the rule is bogus, unfortunately Billionaires have passed on coaches because of skin color. That's kinda why the rule was instituted. NFL owners are part of the G.O.B.C or Good Ol' Boys Club. Look at the rate for minority coaches on the college level, it's absurdly low.
     
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  11. MarinePhinFan

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    Now you're comparing apples to oranges. College Universities and the NFL are very different. It's like saying that USPS is the same as FedEx.
     
  12. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    From what I have read it is the central reason Tomlin got the job - he blew them away in the interview.

    I do think there are times it makes no sense - right now there are no minority coaches who have the pedigree of success, nor the demand, of a Harbaugh. Part of that is the problems in the college ranks and minority coaches (which is far worse %-wise than it is in the NFL).

    I think minority coaches should get more shots at this level and I think Ross is wrong to not interview others; but, at the same time I fully understand why they flew out to see Harbaugh.

    It's just a tough situation. But, you can't throw out the Rooney rule altogether.
     
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  13. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    So before the Vikings promote Leslie Frazier from interim HC to just HC, do they have to interview a white boy? :wink2:
     
  14. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I think the rule should be changed that they have to interview 5 candidates, with three of them people who never had head coaching experience.

    Getting an interview for a head coaching position is very invaluable. There have been a few coaches who have gotten the job because of the Rooney rule who probably would have never gotten a shot. Not so much due to color, mostly due to the fact it is a very hard interview to get.
     
  15. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    If your hiring someone to run your business are you looking at color or the best possible way to succeed?
     
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  16. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    No, my point was that black head coaches, and other minorities for that matter, do get passed over because of race. Not sure why college and the NFL are that much different, they both do it.

    I do agree the rule is stupid however, only because if a team wants to hire a coach who happens to he white, they're gonna hire him. Interviewing a black one is only so they can comply with the rule.
     
  17. unluckyluciano

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    Its a way to break the glass ceiling. I don't think its a big deal, nor does it really hurt anybody. Giving coaches who other wise might not have a chance a shot at a head coaching position isn't a bad thing either.
     
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  18. PhinishLine

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    Mike Tomlin is a frat brother of mine and I met him at a conference in DC. He's anything but Hip Hop. He was pretty professional even in a social setting. He is a younger coach so I can see where an older more conservative man might think him as being "hip hop." However, I don't think his youth should be mistaken for immaturity. If anything I think his youthfulness would appeal to players who are young themselves.

    I think the Rooney rule serves a purpose. It eliminates blatent cronyism. While a team may still choose who they wanted all along, it gets minority coaching names out there. Even if the coach is passed up for the HC job, he might be a good fit for a coordinator/asst HC position in an organization. It doesn't cost a significant amount of money and if one coach benefits from it, its well worth it. I just don't see the gripes over a rule that really doesn't make that much of a difference either way. All it can really do is help.
     
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  19. Striking

    Striking Junior Member

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    Finally the point of the rule and it only took 10 posts. If you are passed over from even getting an interview how can you expect to be hired?

    The rule is not stupid, it addresses a real problem, one that most people like to pretend does not exist. And its only stupid if ownership and management decide to make it little more than a formality. If they do that they are failing in their responsibility to do their due diligence in finding the best possible head coach.
     
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  20. Hexonx

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    You need the rule and as long as the coaches who are interviewing don't mind going through the process who cares. I think for some it's an opportunity to get experience interviewing for a head coaching position elsewhere, and as someone else stated it worked out for Tomlin great. Too bad we can't trade some draft picks to Pittsburgh and get him to be our Head Coach =/
     
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  21. CaribPhin

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    I dislike and can never support the Rooney rule. It treats blacks like a special race of people who can't even get in the door by the merits of their work. What should happen is that a more open staff and FO gets the chance to hire the black coaches who work while the other organizations have to suffer losing with their Good Old Boy network of Cam Carmeron's and Dan Henning's. There's not excuse for affirmative action in a civilized and equal society. It's an indefensible practice that in and of itself states that minorities, on the backs of their accomplishments, cannot succeed without help. It just sets back racial progress a hell of a lot of years. In the end, it just looks like the successful looking down on the minorities and pitying them so much that emotion comes before reason and merit.

    Again, if you didn't want to hire Mike Tomlin because he was "too hip-hop" you should be made to suffer because of another more sensible team stealing him away. If the only reason you give me a shot is because you had to, I don't want that shot.

    [/PoFo]
     
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  22. Phyl

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    The Rooney Rule does not just apply to black coaches. It applies to minority coaches overall, it's just that blacks are the most common minority in the NFL. People can interview Ron Rivera, Norm Chow, etc. for the Rooney Rule. It's a good rule because even if the FO is hellbent on not hiring a minority, and the minority absolutely kills it in the interview, the FO could always forward that information to other FOs in search of a new coach.
     
  23. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    it is what it is
    another unnecessary hurdle in the field of competition

    why not apply the same rule to QB's
    or create a rule for the mandatory interviewing of white RB's?

    why not institute a Demographic Racial Proportionality Rule
    in all sports concerning the hiring of races @ the professional level?
    seems to me we have disproportionate numbers
    of minorities represented in both football & basketball

    the Rooney Imposition is simply inappropriate in 2011

    is there a reverse racism @ work in professional sports today
    or do we simply play the best @ every position?

    think about it
     
  24. unluckyluciano

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    Thats not true at all. You view it as such because some don't do the rooney rule because they already have an idea of what direction they want to take the hire. That in no way equals what you are trying to say it does.
    And it may be a civilized and equal society but you can't just pretend the past hasn't happened. All the ronney rule does is counter the past somewhat by adding a larger mix of minorities to the coaching candidate pool.
     
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  25. Phyl

    Phyl New Member

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    Because on-field talent has been a meritocracy (except for QBs) for the last 40 years. That hasn't been the case with coaching.
     
  26. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    FellowMember Phyil:

    really? are you sure? sounds to me like a racists statement, a justification for the right hand that doesn't apply to the left. what would your reaction be if I posted your response with a twist: Because coaching talent has been a meritocracy for the last 40 years.... think about it. Maybe we should legislate the number of minorities that have to buy tickets @ sporting events to maintain a franchise? would that work for you?
    Competition (not imposition) is the Elixir of Success!:yes:
     
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  27. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    You know what I find funny? Think about it, how come it's only the glamour positions that people are concerned don't have enough minorities?

    Quarterback, Coach....how come you never hear anyone complaining that there aren't enough minority placekickers? :wink2:
     
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  28. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    There are a decent amount of minority placekickers. not many blacks, but good amount of minority
     
  29. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    this is 2011 not 1911
    we have a black president & first family
    that was elected by the majority of the American people
    he couldn't have been elected without the white vote
    what does that tell you?
    we're supposed to have entered the post racial era
    the BigRooney is a twentieth century phenomenon
    it is an unnecessary burden & carry-over we can do without
    it is as insulting & demeaning as it is inappropriate.
    it is a dinosaur & should not be a part of things moving forward
    Competition (not imposition) is the Elixir of Success!:yes:
    my colors are aqua & orange :marble: think about it
     
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  30. CaribPhin

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    Fight racism with racism. It usually end well. Do you know what's happening in South Africa now that apartheid is gone? Role reversed apartheid. The whole, "the past happened" deal is exactly that, the past. How many current and former NFL owners and GM's were slave owners again? You can't "counter the past", 200 years later. You know what countered the past? Abolition. It was the present back then too. This does nothing to the coaching candidate pool. All it does is make guys like Leslie Frazier look like puppets and fools when the Seattle Seahawks bring him in for what he and they know is only a formality before they hire Pete Carroll. It's a stupid rule. All Affirmative action is absolutely idiotic.
     
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  31. Nappy Roots

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    First of all its not you have to interview a BLACK candidate to give BLACK coaches an equal opportunity. Despite how some believe, racism, but mostly prejudices still exist.

    This rule is great for many reasons many because of how it gets these MINORITY coaches names out there for future opportunities. Some of these coaches that have been seriously interviewed probably wouldn't have gotten a thought for the job had their name not been brought up else where.

    Good rule.
     
  32. Nappy Roots

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    Posts like this are hilarious because when someone says anything like rooney rule or AA or things like that they scream "that was over 200 years ago!!!"


    Seriously?? That's so unbelievablely ignorant there's no response even needed
     
  33. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    it is a horrible rule, minorities are well represented in the NFL, all races are there if a team doesnt hire a HC because he is black or asian or any other race then they deserve to lose
     
  34. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    From ESPN now: Dolphins CAN'T hire Harbaugh due to ROONEY RULE

    I just heard this on ESPN TV. That damn stupid Rooney Rule will prevent us from throwing a ton of cash at Harbaugh. On a guess - I don't see this happening. There is too much against us. I don't see Harbuagh waiting around for us to interview a black coach. I see him going to SF ( my opinion)
     
  35. emocomputerjock

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    The Rooney rule won't do anything to stop us from hiring Harbaugh.
     
  36. Fin-Omenal

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    We can hire whoever we want...

    We just have to pay the piper if we dance.
     
  37. hazed819

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    Ross will throw some greenbacks to old man rooney to STFU
     
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  38. Stitches

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    Lions only had to pay like 200K when they hired Marriucci.
     
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  39. cobrajet

    cobrajet Mr. Ross - sell the team!

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    I think this will cost us precious time and money and I see Ross throwing his hands up.
     
  40. FinsAreLife

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    Some great plan by Ross huh? Now he looks like an a$$
     

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