The reality behind the run defense .....

"Conuficus wrote:

Using PFF rankings to facilitate a hypothesis regarding the defensive futility may not be a good idea. Those stats are subjective at best, and are done by people who are likely less qualified than several people inhabiting this site.

I believe they had Koa Misi ranked very high in their grades as linebacker a couple weeks ago for this season. So, yeah, I'm finding that site to be less reliable.

PFF has too many head scratching rankings. I don't know who grades for them but there are some staff that really need to be replaced. Either that or their formulas are garbage

"adamprez2003 wrote:

PFF has too many head scratching rankings. I don't know who grades for them but there are some staff that really need to be replaced. Either that or their formulas are garbage

I was under the impression that they were entirely subjective grades. No formulas.

I appreciate the effort and idea. A trained eye is the best way to judge the effectiveness of a player that doesn't show up on the stat sheet. But like you said, there are some real head-scratchers.

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"Puka-head wrote:

So are you trying to say we don't need ILB's on our defense that are better than our current/recent historical unit(s)?

And where in Europe? Just curious. Germany is a very progressive country. Sweden has the happiest people on Earth supposedly. Where is your Eutopia Con? I know some back road border crossings in to Canada, but I don't think life is any better there. Different, and we have family so if we had to run it would be OK.

No, not all. Just saying that using PFF as solid imperial evidence is not the best idea. Did you ever see me mention Mike Hull?

France is beautiful. So is Spain. So I'd be happy in a few places.

"SICK wrote:

Wonder how Starks and Odrick are graded against the run. Hope it was worth it to upgrade them.......

We have the wrong type of LB's IMHO for the line we have. The only one who really fits is Jenkins. Find another one like him for the other side and the ILB issue is mitigated, especially in the passing game.

"djphinfan wrote:

I have a thing Ro where I will not watch film from the start of the season until the the team is out of the playoff hunt..once their eliminated its offseason time..Ive watched the top guys but ill wait.

what do you think the most glaring need/position is on the team.?

Guard, followed by Mike, followed by DB

"adamprez2003 wrote:

our defense is definitely the problem with our team going into the 2016 season. the question becomes do you finish the job building the great offense that sells tickets or do you leave it as is and concentrate on defense next year? i would finish the job on offense and start the process on defense. draft an OT in the first round and play him at OG his first year. this way we have a backup for albert if he gets hurt again and also we have the eventual replacement for him. 2nd through the rest of the draft you can spend on defense. target getting at least one player at every level of the defense (dl, lb, db) between free agency and the draft we have to get four avg to good starters. thats is tannenbaum's mission. if he fails he must be fired

Just need to finish the damned line. Cant ignore that. After line go all defense

"vt_dolfan wrote:

Just need to finish the damned line. Cant ignore that. After line go all defense

There is a plethora of VERY good/solid DBs coming into FA at the end of this year. Could easily fill CB/S spots without breaking the bank, and draft a youngster or two. I think also need 2 LBs and a few DEs, particularly if Vernon isn't in the plans. I'd personally like to see:

1. DE (Emmanual Ogbah please?!?!)
2. OT
3. LB
4. S
5. CB
6. LB
7. DL

Or some close variation to that.

If we draft another WR or RB I'll break something.

Edit: I'm not ignoring OG...I'd expect the OT to groom under Albert at G for a time, and there are always decent/good guards in FA at a decent price...we missed on a few last year because, IMO, we were too wrapped up in figuring out how to bring in Suh, possibly keep Clay, and a few other moves (including Mathis, though more expensive). There were some good ones that it crushed me to see sign with others when we had such a glaring, OBVIOUS need.

"Conuficus wrote:

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No, not all. Just saying that using PFF as solid imperial evidence is not the best idea. Did you ever see me mention Mike Hull?

France is beautiful. So is Spain. So I'd be happy in a few places.

I would like to go to Italy I think, food wine and beautiful beaches. Spain and France are a little tumultuous with their politics, kinda schizo actually but the Mediterranean coastline is the cradle of modern civilization. It would be cool to explore, but I like livin in the USA, even with its flaws. Trade offs in life eh?!

"Puka-head wrote:

I would like to go to Italy I think, food wine and beautiful beaches. Spain and France are a little tumultuous with their politics, kinda schizo actually but the Mediterranean coastline is the cradle of modern civilization. It would be cool to explore, but I like livin in the USA, even with its flaws. Trade offs in life eh?!

Been to both, and every other country in Mediterranean Europe. Some beautiful scenery in a few of those countries...no question...Greece, Italy, France, Portugal...but no better than you can find in America. Seen over 50 countries (and 46 states, working on the other 4, all in the continental), would only pick 1 to live in...the good old U.S. of A., Greece is a fairly distant 2nd.

You should definitely visit Italy. Religion aside, I think everyone should visit Rome and the Vatican...simply amazing experience. :up:

I just noticed something. Reshad Jones is 4th in the NFL in tackles. Every other top five leader in tackles is a linebacker.

Our DL and LBs as a whole absolutely suck.

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"finsfandan wrote:

I just noticed something. Reshad Jones is 4th in the NFL in tackles. Every other top five leader in tackles is a linebacker.

Our DL and LBs as a whole absolutely suck.

While I don't agree w/you 100%, you certainly have hit MIAMI's needs right on the head.

1) PHILLIPS sometimes looks like SOLIAI at his best, and sometimes like an oversized H.S. player. It is my H/O that it's partly fatigue, because some behemoth DTs just CAN'T bring it 100%, 100% of the time, even though they're otherwise very solid DTs. The solution is simple: PICK UP/DRAFT another SOLIAI DT-type THIS OFF-SEADSON, and run a "rotation" of behemoth DTs supporting SUH. MITCHELL backs up SUH, and nothing else, except (maybe) those "4th and inches" that we never seem to stop, and goal line stands. This is "doable" in ONE off-season, I/M/H/O, even if we have 3 or 4 OTHER things to do!

(2) Draft/acquire the BEST MLB humanly possible. Spare neither effort nor expense, and JUST DO IT.

(3) Draft/acquire the 2 (or even 3) BEST Gs AVAILABLE!!! Otherwise, we may NEVER really find out about R TANNEHILL, because he'll be prematurely retired. My suspicion is that he's A PLENTY GOOD ENOUGH QB: not even T BRADY, or P MANNING (or anyone else) throws well while getting hit or w/a 340+ lb DL sitting on him. THIS SHOULDN'T be too difficult, because we're talking Gs, and not topshelf Cs, Ts, etc.. In fact, it could've happened last off-season, because MATHIS was there for the taking. But MIAMI's "brain trust", collectively, seems to be too clever for its own good. Or maybe MIAMI's entire Coaching Staff and front office haven't got enough brains to fart and chew gum at the same time.

Some have argued that "we're not 3 or 4 players away". Well, I/M/H/O, WE ARE about 4 very good players away from SERIOUSLY contending/sending N.E. packing. And THAT is THAT!

Yep, and now people are seeing why I almost always protest big signings. We've let go of so much talent since Philbin's arrival, it's ridiculous. The guy was like Chip Kelly minus the football mind.

We used to have Dansby, Soliai, Starks, Odrick, Sean Smith, Vontae Davis. Who else am I missing?

That's just the defensive side of the ball. We had depth across the board and there was room for improvement.

Now those guys are gone and we put a ton of cash into a single guy and expected to have a good defense. This isn't basketball.

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When was the last time we could feel good about our LB core? We passed on Kuechly for a QB and didn't develop him and added years to the regimes tenure. Draft some GD Lbs please.

"Fin-O wrote:

When was the last time we could feel good about our LB core? We passed on Kuechly for a QB and didn't develop him and added years to the regimes tenure. Draft some GD Lbs please.

I wanted Kuechly back then. But I also wanted Jordan lol

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"finsfandan wrote:

I wanted Kuechly back then. But I also wanted Jordan lol

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I was skeptical of Dion due to his odd percentage of time in plays. When healthy he was playing like 33% of the defensive snaps. Thats strange.

Luke was a sure fire top player but to be fair it was simply time we drafted a QB, too bad we didnt know what to do with him.

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"finsfandan wrote:

I wanted Kuechly back then. But I also wanted Jordan lol

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kuechly.. then wilson for me....boom

also loved dion jordan...blahhh

Ervybody knows they should have stuck him at LB from day one.

It's not Suh's fault. He's doing what he's supposed to do. Our 'Backers.... not so much.

"Pandarilla wrote:

Ervybody knows they should have stuck him at LB from day one.

I disagree. LBs need to more situationally aware than DEs. So far Dion Jordan has shown about 0% ability to diagnose plays. He's fine when you give him a 1 dimensional assignment, but he's a liability when he has to make decision, I've seen him run himself out of positions on too many plays to ever want him playing LB for the phins.

From a physical toolset perspective he's a great OLB, but from a mental perspective he makes Jason Allen look like Zach Thomas.

"Fin-O wrote:

I was skeptical of Dion due to his odd percentage of time in plays. When healthy he was playing like 33% of the defensive snaps. Thats strange.

Luke was a sure fire top player but to be fair it was simply time we drafted a QB, too bad we didnt know what to do with him.

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Although, in hindsight, it seems crazy to say now, I never felt like Dion had a chance to succeed. He was a 3-4 OLB in college and was able to cover extremely well. Even in the pros he covered Gronk well when given the chance, from what I remember.

He was brought in, told to bulk up and become a 4-3 DE. Made zero sense to me. His agility and covering skills were ignored. It's no wonder he gave up. It's like Tomsula trying to make Kaepernick a pocket passer.

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"djphinfan wrote:

kuechly.. then wilson for me....boom

I have a buddy that told me about Wilson then. Both of us disliked Tannehill and felt he was being hyped up too much. There's always that one guy that all of a sudden their stocks rise because of speculation.

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"Pandarilla wrote:

Ervybody knows they should have stuck him at LB from day one.

That's what I'm saying. But of course Ireland and Philbin were a heck of a duo. Couple of brainiacs right there.

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"Pauly wrote:

I disagree. LBs need to more situationally aware than DEs. So far Dion Jordan has shown about 0% ability to diagnose plays. He's fine when you give him a 1 dimensional assignment, but he's a liability when he has to make decision, I've seen him run himself out of positions on too many plays to ever want him playing LB for the phins.

From a physical toolset perspective he's a great OLB, but from a mental perspective he makes Jason Allen look like Zach Thomas.

He showed that in college too, he has a low football IQ, and also is really lacking in the strength dept, I thought he was more of a 4th or 5th round project, and we've had 2 guys drafted way behind him that have become better than him in Shelby and Fede.