The QB End Game

The first thing we need is an OC. I like McDaniels from the group of currently available guys. He squeezed more out of Orton than anyone thought possible, and Tebow has exceeded all but the most optimistic expectations as well. Matt Cassel is a McD guy also. I'm in favor of letting him come in, design an offense around Henne and give the guy a year (at least) to show what he can do. Not the sexiest option, but it looks a lot better than anything else we could be doing at this point.

I've seen few calls to cut Henne. They're out there, sure, but the majority of posters (particularly those branded "haters") aren't calling for Henne to be cut loose. They're calling for another QB to be brought in. To some that means giving up on Henne, but it should mean that the front office is making sure that if Henne doesn't take that next step there's at least an option other than Tyler Thigpen available.

"emocomputerjock wrote:

I've seen few calls to cut Henne. They're out there, sure, but the majority of posters (particularly those branded "haters") aren't calling for Henne to be cut loose. They're calling for another QB to be brought in. To some that means giving up on Henne, but it should mean that the front office is making sure that if Henne doesn't take that next step there's at least an option other than Tyler Thigpen available.

Exactly, just be proactive rather than reactive.

But much of the endless debate about Henne (especially the more argumentative and irrational ones), should be curbed, because he will be back, and if he is good going into the season, and better than anyone else we have - he will more than likely be the starter.

So the "end game" is "let's replace everyone else involved with the offense."

Thanks for clearing that situation up for me.

I think we're sort of stuck with him next year. I don't think we can give up just yet.....But, I don't see a better option.

"Garryowen wrote:

I think we're sort of stuck with him next year. I don't think we can give up just yet.....But, I don't see a better option.

Yes but could we stop throwing everyone else under the bus until the most important position on the field improves?

"Zod wrote:

Yes but could we stop throwing everyone else under the bus until the most important position on the field improves?

Baby steps. It took 4 straight horrible weeks for the option of bringing someone in to compete with Henne appeared.

"emocomputerjock wrote:

Baby steps. It took 4 straight horrible weeks for the option of bringing someone in to compete with Henne appeared.

:lol:

Do you mean I'm not alone in noticing the desire to scorch the earth with a firewall around one man?

"Zod wrote:

Yes but could we stop throwing everyone else under the bus until the most important position on the field improves?

Well, there are some that need to be thrown under the bus. Henning, I really do think needs to be, just based on
just absurd play calling...I mean, consistant, year in year out PA passes in just....Positions where it's......Terrible...That
alone, he needs to go.

I don't think the team is that bad, talent wise. We've just got to get a game breaker at WR. I really wish wed've kept Ginn
just one more year because I really think he'd've been a compliment to Marshall.

At any rate, I don't see much better realistic options at QB for us..Specially if Luck goes back to Stanford.

"Zod wrote:

:lol:

Do you mean I'm not alone in noticing the desire to scorch the earth with a firewall around one man?

I think Nolan is still pretty safe :lol: It's not time to begin an objective discussion of the talent on offense that could stand an upgrade, because to do that pretty much means that an objective analysis of Henne has to be done first. It's too inflammatory to bring up the subject without getting a wall of splits right now.

"Garryowen wrote:

Well, there are some that need to be thrown under the bus. Henning, I really do think needs to be, just based on
just absurd play calling...I mean, consistant, year in year out PA passes in just....Positions where it's......Terrible...That
alone, he needs to go.

I once had a high school offensive coordinator tell me his team had a 25 percent chance of completing a pass while competing against AIR. I think that team threw 25 passes for the entire season. Why did he even throw? For the threat of it. You play with the cards you are dealt.

"Garryowen wrote:

I don't think the team is that bad, talent wise. We've just got to get a game breaker at WR. I really wish wed've kept Ginn
just one more year because I really think he'd've been a compliment to Marshall.

Really? Ted Ginn is where you are? I've seen it dude. There were receivers running open down field all year. The ball had to be thrown and it was not thrown. This dude was on a mission this year. He was on a mission to play "smart". That's where "Checkdown Chad" originated. It's not some grand conspiracy. This dude checked down all year until he trapped himself into deep is no surprise.

"Garryowen wrote:

At any rate, I don't see much better realistic options at QB for us..Specially if Luck goes back to Stanford.

There is not a better option other than a veteran. This Head Coach is not going to train another QB for another Heach Coach. Do you actually think this coach could survive a second feeding frenzy? The fact is that he trained a QB that this football city had begged to be trained. Everything was kosher until the QB played a full season and he played like crap. I am absolutely amazed by the short memory from everyone involved. The only people that I understand participating in the lynch mob is the beat writers. Afterall, they have to write about something.

"Pariah wrote:

We will and can continue to argue and debate about Henne until next season, but the reality is, he is going nowhere.

Now that doesn't mean he will start, but at this point in his career, the regime (whoever it is), would be stupid to do anything with him but let him stick around, and compete for a job next season.

I am not happy with the kid, he made some bad mistakes, and at times looked pathetic - but there were also streaks of play where he showed tons of talent. On top of it all he was a victim of playing behind a fragmented line that was a revolving door all season, a poor running game, a lack of real Speed anywhere around him, and even if you love Henning, his play calling was very questionable at times (understatement of 2010 imo). Now add in the fact the kid couldn't audible and was on a leash with the coaches...and this all adds up to a grab bag of bad QB play, bad situations, and bad decisions by coaching.

The End Game here is we need to keep him around, but we also can't be reactive, and must be proactive by either drafting someone to compete, or making a move for a QB who is of starting caliber. Throw in a new OC and QB coach, and whoever excels over the time before opening day, gets the damn job.

SO hate him or support him, he will be in Miami next season and he will be competing to play. And maybe with the right progression/relationship with a new OC/QB Coach, he becomes a solid player in the NFL, as we have seen flashes of such already. And if he doesn't get better, so we have a young arm, or a Free Agent pickup who earns the starting job, and a backup in Henne who in my opinion would be better than most backups in the league.

Just wanted to throw this out there...

I stopped reading after the opening sentence. You acnkowledge that there is a debate, and then claim that one side of the debate is reality and the other is not. Pffft!

"Zod wrote:

I once had a high school offensive coordinator tell me his team had a 25 percent chance of completing a pass while competing against AIR. I think that team threw 25 passes for the entire season. Why did he even throw? For the threat of it. You play with the cards you are dealt.

Really? Ted Ginn is where you are? I've seen it dude. There were receivers running open down field all year. The ball had to be thrown and it was not thrown. This dude was on a mission this year. He was on a mission to play "smart". That's where "Checkdown Chad" originated. It's not some grand conspiracy. This dude checked down all year until he trapped himself into deep is no surprise.

There is not a better option other than a veteran. This Head Coach is not going to train another QB for another Heach Coach. Do you actually think this coach could survive a second feeding frenzy? The fact is that he trained a QB that this football city had begged to be trained. Everything was kosher until the QB played a full season and he played like crap. I am absolutely amazed by the short memory from everyone involved. The only people that I understand participating in the lynch mob is the beat writers. Afterall, they have to write about something.

Please dude. Bad play calling is bad play calling. You don't call a PA pass when there is NO threat of the run. Please dude. Don't tell me you think the PA pass on 3rd and 13 is valid. Please.

Ted Ginn was just a museing..But, even at that? Where's the big play been this year? Ginn gave us more big plays than anyone since....God..I don't even know...Now, that tells you what sort of state we've been in and, Ginn blew as many big plays as he made, but, what other option was there? Not many.

We've got to stick with Henne. We've got to. I don't see any other option at QB in the draft at our position, or in FA..Maybe there is, but, I think we need to stick in one more year.....Sort of like Sparano. He might as well dance with the girl he kissed.

There are alot of more options at QB. Don't be silly.

"gunn34 wrote:

There are alot of more options at QB. Don't be silly.

Really?

Who? I mean, don't name BS trade theories that include us bundleing up bad players for a great qb.

henne hater or dolphin lover without illusion?

regardless, henne will not be under center in 2011
we have two competent back-ups @ QB
both can compete & provide stability on the bench
the decision maker will be "the trade"
who is more valuable & what we can get for them
the pigpen or henne, it makes no difference to me
re-building the offense is the concern & priority
GoFish!:dolphin:

"GMJohnson wrote:

The first thing we need is an OC. I like McDaniels from the group of currently available guys. He squeezed more out of Orton than anyone thought possible, and Tebow has exceeded all but the most optimistic expectations as well. Matt Cassel is a McD guy also. I'm in favor of letting him come in, design an offense around Henne and give the guy a year (at least) to show what he can do. Not the sexiest option, but it looks a lot better than anything else we could be doing at this point.

Then expect Nolan to leave, there is very bad blood between those two.

"DolfanJake wrote:

Then expect Nolan to leave, there is very bad blood between those two.

1) Where is the bad blood between them? Is that just an assumption you made? ...or have you actually read that there is a problem between them? Living in Colorado, there was never any report of friction, just that their coaching methods just didn't mesh.

2) You honestly believe a grown-ass man won't coexist with someone that he doesn't have to answer to? McDaniels isn't going to have a finger in Nolan's proverbial pie like in Denver. The belief that Nolan will quit because McDaniels is hired is beyond ridiculous and borders on insulting to the man. If Nolan doesn't come back it'll be because he found a better position, not because someone he doesn't like got hired.

"Zod wrote:

Yes but could we stop throwing everyone else under the bus until the most important position on the field improves?

Ahhh, so instead we should throw the QB under the bus until everyone else on the field improves or recovers health wise? :glare:

Would signing McNabb be so bad?

First off, new OC. Preferably a young fresh guy and not a tired old retread. Second, DRAFT A QB. Whatever it takes Draft a bonafide 1st round QB. Trade up and get one of the top guys available. Pull a Ditka for all I care, but get a QB. Well, maybe not a Ditka but do something to secure a top QB pick.

As for Henne, I agree he is not going anywhere and I wouldn't complain if he was the backup eventually, but I don't want him as the starter.

I am biased and I'd love us to grab Newton, he is the next Steve Young, I tell you. SEC is as tough a conf. as they come. But if not that, grab McNabb. Henne is not the answer I fear.

WAR EAGLE! I like Newton but he'll need some work. I don't have any real interest in Donovan anymore. The Donovan of 4 or 5 years ago, but not anymore.

"Auburn wrote:

Would signing McNabb be so bad?

yes.