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Discussion in 'Trades' started by Boik14, Jan 31, 2012.

  1. Skeet84

    Skeet84 New Member

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    Having two great backs is such a luxury to have and you can use so many examples of that. Look at Ben Tate-Arian Foster, M. Bush-D. McFadden, CJ Spiller-Fred Jackson, and Felix Jones-Demarco Murray. There are soo many examples but those examples are from last year. Every example I listed had at least one of those RB's get hurt and miss time while the other stepped up. Just proves that at the NFL's most punishing position you need at least two guys who can play at a high level.
     
  2. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    None of those teams win superbowls or even come close. Just sayin.
     
  3. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    True. But both Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs would be considered #1 backs on most teams.
     
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  4. Skeet84

    Skeet84 New Member

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    Bradshaw was hurt for a period of time and Jacobs picked up the slack. Do you need more examples?
     
  5. Fin-Omenal

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    Jacobs? No way is he a #1 back
     
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  6. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    Oh, there's proper compensation for that sort of thing. Ask E. :shifty:
    I prefer the smaller [​IMG]
     
  7. Skeet84

    Skeet84 New Member

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    Jacobs was very successful as a number one back. He played like a #1 when Bradshaw was hurt.
     
  8. SICK

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    agreed to an extent, JAcobs I wouldnt say would be an elite starter with the entire load. But without Eli they dont sniff the superbowl.

    I agree that you need depth, but blowing your load on 2 running backs that wont get the amount of carries needed to make it worth all the picks and cap space is what I am talking about.
     
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  9. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    Jacobs is a good fill in #1 on a team where the passing game was bonkers most of the time. If you run the ball a bit and/or have a fragile RB, sure, two are needed. But in a passing league, you can get away with less, imo.
     
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  10. BuckeyeKing

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    True but the Giants have Nicks, Cruz, Manningham and Manning throwing the ball.
     
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  11. SICK

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    Not knocking on the jets line of thinking at all, just an opinion, I'd rather go out and get a franchise, amazing QB and spread the field and score at any time. Getting 2 awesome RB's with a bottom 5 of the league QB still isnt a recipe for success in todays NFL.
     
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  12. Skeet84

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    I will never say having two great RB's are a waste. Look at what happened when Forte went down. Barber practically gave the win to the Broncos. Besides a lot of RB's can be used in alot of different ways and not just running. Also you can protect your RB's by having them spilt carries.
     
  13. SICK

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    Its a good thing. But for the price, it's not going to win you the game, down 4 on your own 20 with :57 to go.
     
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  14. Skeet84

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    He is not bottom 5 and he has prove he can win when he has a great running game behind him.
     
  15. Skeet84

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    You dont think those players benefit from Bradshaw and Jacobs? Lol
     
  16. Skeet84

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    I am not saying you don't need a good QB but it's awful hard for a defense to stop run after run in the 4th. Plus that QB might never get that chance if the rb's run out the clock
     
  17. SICK

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    Your own point is really working against you, you can find running backs, especially to split time with each other, for far less than multiple #1's and tons of money. Look back at some of the most succesful teams the past decade or so, they have done it with fill in, free agent, cheap or mid round running backs.

    Bradshaw - 7th rd pick
    Jacobs -4th rd

    Look at the Patriots cluster of RBs.....sammy morris, green-ellis, woodhead, faulk etc. Ryan Grant with the packers, a mix of 3 RBs for the saints, Adai for the Colts.

    The proof is there with the recent success' in the NFL you can do more with less at RB if you have the elite QB.
     
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  18. ToddsPhins

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    Uhh....Sir Odin, sir... I think you meant:

    We know how much Mach enjoys European in his mail.
     
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  19. Mach

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    Barber also had 108 yards and if not for the Bears for some stupid *** reason opting to play off coverage after keeping things tight earlier would have won them the game. Sure, he had some mindnumbingly stupid plays, but his performance on the whole was more than fine.
     
  20. Skeet84

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    You think every 4th and 7th turn out to be that good in the nfl?

    I am not saying you don't need a QB. I am just saying that two elite RB's are a great strength to have. I am sure the Jets GM thinks he can't get a great QB with those picks. Drafting QB's in this league is almost pointless (unless highly regarded which is mostly top 10) due to you never see them bloom. I think he is doing the best he can with what he has.
     
  21. Mach

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    You prefer gay Indians, I prefer mail order brides who can't speak English, what's it to you?
     
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  22. Vengeful Odin

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    Wait, are we talking about beer or women?
     
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  23. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    I guess we're talking about women.
     
  24. schisno

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    Welcome to the fantasy world of being a fantasy GM full of this and that's. All we gots is a madden sim and that's where it'll be played out!
     
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  25. Skeet84

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    When your performance includes a fumble in OT in FG position and running out of bounds to give enough time to the other team to tie. Wow
     
  26. Fin-Omenal

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    Sexism...please delete that BS.
     
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  27. BuckeyeKing

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    Weren't they one of the worst rushing teams in the NFL?
     
  28. Mach

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    How often does that happen though? I mean, I don't think it's wrong to say it's not necessarily a talent issue as it is a mental issue in terms of his miscues. He moved the ball more than adequately in that game, did he not? He scored the team's only TD in that game to boot.
     
  29. ToddsPhins

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    NY's oline can maul guys; nine in the box ain't nothing.



    At least Foster isn't a zone blocking back, b/c that could be a bad thing. :shifty:




    Well, at least NY has all those picks to properly build a new line around him. :whistling:







    :jt0323:
     
  30. Mach

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    THE worst according to certain metrics.
     
  31. Fin-Omenal

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    Jacobs alone as a#1 getting 300 carries would be a disaster.
     
  32. Skeet84

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    Yes they passed a lot and Bradshaw brings a lot to the passing game not just rushing.
     
  33. ToddsPhins

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    uhhhh.... the other European. the redneck kind.
     
  34. Skeet84

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    I don't think it matters that he played really well in the game if he goes ahead and makes a mental mistake and then at the point in the game where he should hold on to the ball the most he let's it go. He scored and ran for those yards but the team blocked and helped. They didn't help him fumble or run out of bounds. Just saying
     
  35. Mach

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    Leave the Serbians and Bosnians alone.
     
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  36. ToddsPhins

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    .......and Tate & Foster cost only a 2nd and a postage stamp.

    IMO (not taking away from Foster b/c he's outstanding) it's more the harmony & fluidity of the Oline-RB combo that gets that type of rushing production, just as it did in Denver with Terrell Davis. You don't take 2 (out-of-leftfield running backs) and turn them into the NFL's best by accident or coincidence, right?

    But it took Kubiak a few years to find that perfect chemistry & harmony in Houston IIRC. Guy's got a serious gift.
     
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  37. Mach

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    Did they? They seemed to do squat without him on O. Obviously I don't have how many yards after contact he got offhand, but that O was putrid. If Hanie wasn't completely awful, and their WRs weren't completely awful, they wouldn't have lost that game.

    Put another way, without Barber's performance up to that point, you think they're even in a position to win? Barber wasn't ineffective, he just had some terrible luck, which yes, partly his own doing.
     
  38. ToddsPhins

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    added: I might prefer to use those resources to build up the line so I don't need a world beater at RB to be successful, while also allowing my *scream at the sight of a mouse* QB better passing lanes & more time to throw. But that's just me.
     
  39. Skeet84

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    I don't disagree that a lot of that offense is trash. However in the end when it mattered most he failed.
     
  40. ToddsPhins

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    yes it is. Ask the 09-10 Panthers. They'll agree with me. :shifty:
     

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