THE OFFICIAL MIAMI HEAT SUMMER of 2010 Thread.

They will. They don't have a choice. toronto is one of the few places that guys would actually walk from and give up the 6th year.

 

Strictly imho:

I really believe LJ should leave Cleveland..ASAP, don't care where he goes, the Knicks would be good (a bad team in NYC is not good for the NBA or NHL) and here is why:

He is surrounded by his childhood "friends", his guys, but damn man he's 25 and a professional to me it would be in his best interest to break free of all of that situation and just go out on his own, let the hangers on go find their own way and LJ go on to be whatever he wants to be, as long as his inner circle is made up of "Turtles" who have no interest in what is best for LJ only what is best for "us"..LJ will never reach his potential.

Put it this way, does anyone think Kobe, Jordan, Akeem, had their childhood friends hanging around as they won NBA Titles?

Sometimes that Teen Spirit stuff only holds people back like that last scene in Goodwill Hunting, sooner or later the prodigy has to go out on their own and it's best for everyone.

The Cavs have handcuffed themselves with poor player personnel decisions

 

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Wade & Bosh want to play together too. THE Question: Do Wade & Bron want to play together? If yes, then Miami is the spot.

And the national media jumps back on the "Big 3" bandwagon.

I'm telling you guys something is cooking whether it actually comes to fruition or not. 6-1 odds on the Heat to win the title after 48 straight hours of Wade is leaving talk.

Something is up.

 

If LBJ ever wants to reach his potential, he needs to bring titles to Cleveland. If he goes to Miami and wins a title, he's just another great player. If he brings titles to Cleveland, then he's done something nobody ever has.

 

Disagree, LJ's greatness would be impossible to ignore when he wins a title elsewhere, imho the Cavs have put their backs up against the wall from a Cap perspective and the only way out is the Heat method..some poor yrs whilst the cap is cleared of dead weight.

20 million or so came off the books for Shaq, and they are STILL in the Cap Penalty..as for a title in Cleveland..compared to a title in NYC?

The Knicks haven't won a title since the early 70's, the media capital of the US and winning a title there would be like winning 3 titles in Cleveland.

 

I think this entire process (and the last few years of LeBron's career) have shown that he is all about ego. I think that is the biggest thing holding him back from Miami. He says he is all about winning - so Miami should be the obvious choice. But his ego won't let him go somewhere to share the spotlight. He wants to be the Greatest of All Time and a billionaire - and winning a champ on Wade's team won't bring him that.

The media makes a lot more out of this than there is - he goes to Miami to win or Cleveland for loyalty / legend (hometown kid wins championship in city that hasn't had one since '64). The other teams don't make sense.

 

Opened at 25-1.

Steadily moved down and hit 6-1 yesterday, after the Wade stuff came out. I don't know if it's like that at every casino, but at least 1 has them at 6-1. Second choice to the Lakers, tied with Magic.

 

I don't know. I didn't follow it that closely. It could be back to a crazy number today.

Sorry I don't have more info, but if you check vegasinsiders.com you can see it.

 

Varajao, Hickson, Delonte and Parker make up over $14.5. That hardly guts the team (and I believe we still have our MLE).

And how is losing those four guys more gutting the team than what Miami would have to do? CLE would still have Jamison, Mo Williams, Gibson, Powe and Moon.

 

Imho that is foolish, recall the hooplah when Griffey Jr went to the Reds? That was what he considered his hometown team and it was a disaster, there are no guarantees in sports.

For me, he really needs to cut his entourage loose and strike out on his own where ever he winds up outside of Cleveland because as long as he there, he will be influenced by people who aren't interested in LJ becoming great, they are interested in maintaining relationship and position in his orbit.

This situation reminds me of the summer that you graduated from HS, old friends from HS would hang out and all that, when Fall rolled around some left for college or joined the military and matured, some stayed in their hometowns and just kept on keeping on.

 

I'll have to check the rules, but that doesn't get you close enough in salaries to make the trade, I don't think.

And where exactly is Jamison playing in that lineup considering Bosh's strict "no center" stance? Since no one will take Jamison's contract, I assume he'll be an $11 million bench player, while you'd still need 2 starters.

 

Not that I'm aware of.

 

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Not for Bosh. Reports are that Toronto is POed with him and would rather have the satisfaction of him missing out on money than getting some assets to work with in exchange for his departure.

 

Knicks would certainly be a viable option for LBJ. But if he left Cleveland and won in NY, people would still say "but he couldn't win in Cleveland".

If he wins titles in Miami, theres debate if he's even the best player on his team, not the best player ever. Not to mention he'd always have 1 less ring than Wade.

 

Maybe, but again I doubt it. Hell, even PHX is trying to work out a belated S&T with NY before pen hits paper tomorrow.

 

No one magnifies their championships like NY Teams SB, the story line would be similar to Clyde Drexler winning a title in Houston, no one said "he couldn't win one in Portland" the story was "Drexler wins Title in Houston "

 

There were also reports that the Clippers would be sold and they would sign LeBron. I wouldn't put too much stock in any reports coming out these days.

If anything, speculation of TOR not willing to do a S and T mean its a probability.

 

And Clyde Drexler will never be considered the GOAT. I would think thats the fate LeBron is trying to avoid.

 

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

Nope, just found out about it today.

If anybody cares, thanks to Chris Paul, LeBron now has a twitter account.

https://twitter.com/KINGJAMES

 

I'm not saying it will happen. But I certainly wouldn't put much stock into any of these 'reports'.

This entire process has been well orchestrated, and the intent has been suspense, and eventually surprise. Every report you hear is just meant to build suspense, confusion.

 

I've been leading the charge in this thread bashing the quality of reporting over the last two weeks. But the bits about Toronto not wanting to sign and trade Bosh feel real based on things like Colangelo's radio interview from last week, Bosh's demeanor, things like that.

The Raptors don't seem institutionally inclined to give Bosh a kick out the door with a golden-toed boot, and if Bosh truly is prepared to sign with Miami, then he'll do it without a sign and trade because Riley has stated he'll avoid giving up Beasley if at all possible. The stars simply aren't aligning on this one.

 

Theres nothing to report. There is no info for the reporters. LeBron, Wade, and Bosh aren't sharing any info with anyone. Thats why these reports look so bad these days.

Colangelo knows that whats good for the NBA is good for him, even if thats making everyone believe Bosh can't be signed and traded, then all of a sudden theres a sign and trade. Thats especially the case if Colangelo can dump a contract in the process. For all we know, Colangelo making those statements is just him negotiating publicly. I just have a hard time believing Toronto would stab itself in the foot just because of the way Bosh has used Twitter.

 

Again, we'll see. I highly doubt Riley is going to allow Beasley to stand in the way of getting Bosh and keeping Wade, much the same way he didn't let Caron Butler stand in the way of getting Shaq, even though he didn't really want to trade him.

 

I dont think the majority of people would care about Cleveland. If Lebron didnt play there I know I wouldnt care about basketball in Cleveland. All that would come of a situation like you describe is that people would look at his roster, look at Jordan's championship rosters and say "but where's his Pippen?" In NY, he's now "got his Pippen" waiting for him.

The endorsement money, fame, and being called the G.O.A.T. is what this is really about for LBJ (IMO of course).

true story. The Knicks, 86 Mets, 80's Islanders/94 Rangers, the Giants/Jets championship teams are still spoken about as if they are legends.

 

Stop listening to Sid in the evenings. lol

 

Bro, the 86 Mets were legends because of how they won the the title.. Just the NLCS against the Astros would have made them legendary.. Throw in game 6 of the World Series, and you have possibly the greatest World Series in baseball history.. Same can be said of the Giants - They beat the 18-0 Patsies, defeated the evil empire and had the miraculous reception... We all know the famous prediction... So.. Yes NYC has had some incredible champions.. But if those games happened in Miami, they would still be remembered to this day.

 

Grain of salt it if you must.... just passing it on.... but this is a lot so it should be interesting regardless of belief....

- Dream Team was and still is somewhat legit
- Sour note: Wade wants Miami, Bosh doesn't care (prefers MIA or CHI), LBJ wants neutral team
- Slight rift caused between Wade & LBJ
- Still possible that LBJ will choose Miami in the long run, but unlikely
- Wade & LeBron now heavily battling for Chris Bosh
- Bosh doesn't want to play in Cleveland, but LBJ believes he can convince him to come
- Raptors prefer dealing with Cleveland over Miami, Toronto, & Houston
- For LeBron: it's complicated. He will stay in Cleveland if they can acquire Bosh, which is highly unlikely. If not, he may still remain in Cleveland. He's still considering Chicago, New Jersey, Miami, and New York
- For Wade: He'll stay in Miami if it can acquire Bosh. If not, it gets tricky. He's not too thrilled with the idea of playing with Carlos Boozer and David Lee is not even an option. It's likely that if Miami cannot get Chris Bosh he'll join Rose, Noah, and possibly Bosh or Boozer in Chicago
- Wade's preference is still Miami much like LBJ's preference is still Cleveland, but he wants to play with Chris Bosh above anything
- Riley hasn't made any significant progress in acquiring Bosh; a sign-and-trade with Toronto has gone from likely to close to unlikely
- Bosh isn't completely tossing away the idea of signing outright in Miami for the max, but really wants that sixth year and $25-30 million
- Agent Henry Thomas is a huge Bulls fan and has ties within the organization; he's the one who originally pushed Chicago when they were just a "meet and greet" on Wade's list
- Miami's backup plan if it can secure Wade/Bosh: has pending enticing offers on the table for both Brendan Haywood and Mike Miller and may offer Raymond Felton a contract this week
- Miami's backup plan if it fails on Bosh: will try to sell Wade on playing with good friend Carlos Boozer who Riley actually likes almost as much as Bosh, and Wade prefers over Amare (which is why Miami's Amare pursuit was lukewarm to say the least, and New York's late push for Wade is laughable)
- Aside from Toronto (Chris Bosh) and Dallas (Brendan Haywood) - no mention of Utah (Boozer) - Miami has contacted New Orleans (Chris Paul, Darren Collison), Denver (Carmelo Anthony), Minnesota (Al Jefferson), Washington (Gilbert Arenas), and several other teams regarding potential trades. Aside from Toronto and Dallas, nothing else has gone beyond preliminary discussions, and all else seems unlikely.... you know Riley, though, he explores everything
- The belief inside the organization remains that Dwyane Wade will re-sign in Miami at all costs, no matter what happens.... , however, outside of the organization is another question

 

Also no word given on why Wade met with Arison and not Riley on Monday, but there will be a formal meet with Riley and the "recruiting team" sometime this week. Riley is reaching out to Wade to have a meal / sit down together sometime before the actual meet to see where exactly Wade's head is at the moment before going into the "big meeting"

That could be an all or nothing meeting because if Wade ends up heading back to Chicago before making his decision, the odds on him staying there increase "significantly"

 

Lastly, this was also stressed to me and wanted to put it out there......

"DO NOT LISTEN TO THE MEDIA"

If we must must must listen to media related folks, Michael Wallace is "as close as it gets" to being reliable.

His contacts with Henry Thomas (agent of Wade & Bosh) are legit and they remain in communication.

 

I dont listen to Sid. He was only good when he did mornings here in NY years ago.

Of course those championships would be remembered in any city but I can't describe the difference. I've lived other places in my life and its just completely different here, maybe because championships are just that rare (aside from the Yankees semi yearly parade) or because this city loves a winner like no other.

 

It's this simple: If Toronto accepts whatever it is Miami has to offer (and they've pretty much offered every possible combination of packages with what it has to move) then Chris Bosh signs on without question and Dwyane Wade follows.

If not, this circus continues.......

It's a shame Chris Bosh isn't so ****ing greedy although I don't know if we're selfish ourselves for blaming him. If he'd just sign the 5-year/$97 million deal Riley has on the table, Wade would re-up and it'd all be over. He hasn't ruled that option out but he really wants that sixth year especially since he doesn't have the major endorsements to cover his ***.

 

Thank you for all the info.

Why Toronto wants to deal with cleveland is beyond me. Cleveland's assets are crappy, overpaid and signed to long term deals. The proposed CLE deals don't offer TOR any salary cap flexibility or trim their payroll.

Frankly, if we're giving up on the Big 3, I think I'd take Turk back in a Bosh deal if that's what it took to get it done. We'd need a 3 in that scenario and as a third wheel he can be effective (see Orlando). And I think we'd still have enough left over for a nice run at Haywood.

 

I don't blame Bosh at all for wanting the 6th year but at some point he has to man up and decide where he wants to spend likely the rest of his carreer and have the balls to follow through with that decision even if means walking without a S&T. He is a man who should be in total control that is letting his friends and others basically determine his future.

On the Big 3 concept, I'm starting to get the feeling that LBJ renegged on a commitment/agreement whatever to play here with all 3 guys taking equal money. I think SAS was probably right, but it's LBJ, not bosh causing the problem.