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The Official 'Batman 3' Thread

Discussion in 'TV, Music and Movies' started by Ray Finkle, Jul 15, 2010.

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  1. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    Since there are already tons of seperate threads on Batman 3 rumors (some of them dating all the way back to 2008 before even The Dark Knight came out) I figured why not start an official Batman 3 thread and keep everything in one place from now on. Especially since Warner Brothers has officially announced that the Batman 3 release date is July 20, 2012 and just yesterday Michael Caine (Alfred) told reporters that production on the film is set to begin in April 11th.

    Because there's so little real news and a ton of rumors (remember Cher as Catwoman and Eddie Murphy as The Riddler?), I'll do a quick run down of things we know already and also very strong rumors from good sources. We should start to get a lot more news in the next few weeks such as confirmed casting and also which characters will/won't be in the film as Nolan doesn't like to talk about future projects until he's done promoting the movie (in this case Inception) he had been working on which comes out tomorrow.

    What we know:
    -Production begins in April '11 for a release date of July 20, 2012
    -Christopher Nolan, Jonathan Nolan and David Goyer (same 3 guys that wrote Batman Begins & The Dark Knight) are currently working on the script
    -The Joker character will not be recast
    -Christian Bale, Michael Caine, Gary Oldman and Morgan Freeman all have contracts for a 3rd film (but none are officially confirmed yet)
    -The Batman crew has been scouting locations in both Chicago and London
    -Aaron Eckhart signed a 2 movie deal and although Nolan has confirmed multiple times that Harvey Dent/Two Face did die at the end of The Dark Knight that doesn't mean Harvey won't make a cameo in a flash back but nothing is official
    -This is most likely Nolan's last Batman film as he has stated in dozens of interviews he wanted to make a Batman trilogy and he and his writing team have come up was an ending for his series

    Very strong rumors:
    -The Catwoman is almost a lock to be in the 3rd film as Bruce/Batman's love interest
    -No Robin, Mr. Freeze or another superheroes such as Superman will be in this movie

    In my opinion if you want solid Batman 3 news head to batmanonfilm.com, that place is an awesome site and the owner of the site has a lot of solid sources and in the past has broken a lot of casting and other news in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. That site, however, will not post any spoilers so if you're looking for a leaked script or plot details you won't find it there.

    Anyway I know we have a lot of Batman fans on this site so hopefully we can keep this thread strong up until and through Batman 3's release date. So feel free to post any thoughts, rumors, news and hopefully in a year or so pictures from the set! Enjoy.
     
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  2. Miamian

    Miamian Senior Member

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    Ha! I distinctly remember saying how I thought that Catwoman may be in one of the movies and everyone who posted said no way!
     
  3. Sethdaddy8

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    Im more excited for the Arkham Asylum sequel.
     
  4. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    Having Catwoman in the next film makes sense. With Rachel dead, Bruce/Batman needs a new love interest. I believe Rachel Weiss is the front runner to land the role.

    Agreed that game is going to be great.
     
  5. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    I disagree. There's no need for a love interest at all.
     
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    I agree but I would like to see what Nolan does with Catwoman. The only other love interest for Bruce/Batman that I would be interested in seeing besides Catwoman would be Talia al Ghul.
     
  7. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    I think it would be more interesting to see what Nolan could do when he doesn't have to waste story space on a love interest. Batman was never a character that needed a love interest like Superman does.
     
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  8. DevilFin13

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    If they are going to do Catwoman I think Rachel Weisz would be great. She is beautiful without drawing too much attention to her looks. And she is a good actor who can probably hold her own with a great cast.

    I agree with Ray's opinion on Aaron Eckart. I don't think it would make a lot of sense to not have Two Face dead. Nolan likes to play around with the narrative in his movies (see Memento, The Prestige, and Batman Begins). So I can definitely see a flashback involving Two Face.

    It sucks we have to wait so long for this movie. I'm pretty confident that Nolan and the team can make another good movie. Hopefully they do the nearly impossible and make a third movie that is even better than the first two.
     
  9. Ray Finkle

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    While I could have done without the Bruce/Rachel love story in Batman Begins, it was an important part of The Dark Knight and the Bruce/Catwoman relationship is pretty important to the Batman mythos. I am interested in seeing what Nolan will do with the character and how he deals with Bruce since Rachel's death.

    If you remember in The Dark Knight at the end when Batman and Gordon are talking, Gordon mentions that there are 5 dead, including 2 cops, because of Harvey Dent which Batman ends up taking the blame for to keep Harvey's name good. We only saw Dent kill the dirty detective Wertz and if we assume that Maroni and the driver died too, that leaves 2 people unaccounted for. Chris Nolan was asked about that specifically during a Q&A back when TDK came out and he mentioned that the viewer wasn't suppose to know and that it could possibly be explored in the 3rd film, which lead a lot of people to speculate that Harvey Dent would be back in B3 in a flashback.
     
  10. pennphinfan

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    of all the speculations and rumors, crazy or not, my favorite, by far, was Michael C. Hall as the Riddler. That, I would wait in line all night for.
     
  11. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah he'd be great in the rumored Riddler as a serial killer/Seven type role. I still wouldn't be surprised if Nolan created a totally new villain or decided to use a lesser known (for the average fan) villain.

    I could see the Penguin making a small cameo as an arms dealer for the mob or as the head of it, especially since he was in early scripts of Batman Begins and TDK in that role.
     
  12. Pagan

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    I'd rather see them do a storyline with Bane, making him the monster he was instead of the cartoonish Bane from the first movie series.
     
  13. Fin D

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    Yes, Catwoman is important to the mythos, but this is the final Nolan Batman. Penguin, Riddler, Poison Ivy, Croc, Bane, Freeze and Robin are all important to the mythos as well. The point is, the Catwoman & Batman relationship is a progressive one, there's no point in starting it, when there's no time for it to evolve since this is the last movie.
     
  14. Ray Finkle

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    Outside of The Joker, Catwoman is the probably the most important villain to Batman and I think there are a lot of ways Nolan can take both characters. There's plenty of time for the relationship to start and evolve. Just look at Harvey Dent's character in the 2 and a half hours Nolan gave the viewer a roller coast ride of emotions of Dent's evolution into Two Face. Something like that could have felt rushed or fell flat but he handled that character perfectly.

    I also think it's important that we see Bruce developing a new relationship after Rachel's death and to see how he's evolving as both Bruce and Batman and how the events of TDK have changed him.
     
  15. Fin D

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    She's not really a villain though. Her inclusion makes the next movie a love story, especially without another villain. TwoFace had to evolve quickly, since he was killed off. I'd also like to add that Rachel was more important to the TwoFace character than she was to the Batman character in the Nolan version. She was nothing more than a device to set in motion the creation of TwoFace. Dark Knight would have lost nothing, if the Rachel character was someone else entirely.

    I think it would be more powerful if, because of what happened in DK, he stayed away from love for awhile. Let him wallow in Rachel's death, let him harden more, let him further evolve as Batman.
     
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  16. Ray Finkle

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    Catwoman wouldn't be the only villain in the movie though. The character would probably be a tweener anyway doing both good and bad.

    Disagree about the Rachel character, the character was important to Bruce in BB and while yes her character was more important to Harvey in TDK you couldn't just sub out the Rachel character with 'Female Lead X' because her death did affect Bruce (even if there was only 2 scenes in which it shows he was affected by it) and I'm guessing that that will be explored futher in 'B3'. Also I think it had more of an impact that a character we already knew from the 1st film and half of the 2nd was killed off. If it was just a random new character introduced in TDK the viewer wouldn't have had a lot of the emotion since we knew Rachel's character better. Also let's not forget that Bruce in TDK was struggling with being Batman and his main purpose of really promoting Harvey as Gotham's savior was so he could quit being Batman and start a life together with Rachel. Once Rachel died and Harvey became Two Face his dream/plan was destroyed. I actually think he likes the idea of him being an outcast and wanted by the cops at the end of TDK so it forces him not to get close to anyone (until of course the Catwoman comes into play).

    I do think that Nolan and his writing team had a good idea of where the series was going to go if not before doing BB then writing TDK. I think the 3rd film is going to tie in a lot of stuff that happened in the previous films, especially TDK.
     
  17. Fin D

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    But her death got very little screen time in regards to how it hurt Bruce. That's why I'd think it would solidify the Rachel character even more, if Bruce spent time in this movie tormented by her death instead of moving on to the next chick..errr cat. Think of it like this, his parents death sent him down the road to becoming Batman, and Rachel's death made him even edgier or darker. Especially coupled with the trials of being pursued by the law and being even more alone. All that goes away with the Catwoman love story.


    PS Did I mention I love discussing Batman.
     
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  18. Ray Finkle

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    Well her death got very little screen time in regards to Bruce because it was at the end of the movie and only a day or so went by from her death until Batman stopped Harvey Dent. I actually do agree with you that when Bruce's parents died he spend almost 20 years trying to get over it so he shouldn't just rush into a relationship with Catwoman however we don't know how this is going to play out, maybe he won't ever get involved with her romantically, maybe the chase to catch her is what pulls him out of the darkness. I do trust Nolan completely so whatever he does I think it will be good (that's the fan boy in me talking).

    And about your PS, I agree completely and this is one of the reasons why I started this thread. I love the Batman character and talking about it and was hoping to get into a lot of discussions on any news about the next film when it comes out and also speculation and ideas. So thank you!
     
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  19. Fin D

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    True, if anyone can pull it off, it will be Nolan, but I still would rather see a different villain. I'm starting to think a realistic take on Freeze would be interesting. Victor could lose his loved one, like Bruce, but turn evil. Victor could even be similar to Bruce's father, so Bruce is confronted with that as well. Really he's the only big time villain left that could end the series in a grand fashion. Or maybe Riddler. Either way, part of me wishes they would have waited on the Joker till this one.
     
  20. Ray Finkle

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    Nolan already said Freeze will never see the light of day in one of his movies. I've never really been a big fan of Freeze, maybe a lot has to do with Batman & Robin, I just never found the character too interesting. Also I'm not a huge Batman comic fan anymore but I never thought that Mr. Freeze was really that big of a villain in Batman's world (he was probably on the 2nd tier of villians).

    The Joker made too much sense to pass up for the 2nd film, especially since they hinted at it at the end of BB and he's probably the biggest most known comic book villain. I think the original plan was to have The Joker appear in both TDK and a lesser role in B3 but unfortunately those plans had to be changed. If I had to guess I'd say we're going to see a Nolan made up villian or a lesser known Batman villian from the comics that has never been in a movie before. I also think we'll see an arms dealer Penguin cameo as well since the mob will probably still be a main point in the story.

    Let me ask you guys this question: Since this is the last movie Nolan is going to do and since B3 is obviously going to bring in a ton of money do you guys think Warner Bros. will hire a director to do a new 3 part series either continuing with what Nolan built or do you think they might go in the James Bond route where they hire a new director for each movie and let that director do his own spin on the characters with a different/new villain in each film. I personally think either could work but I think it's important that we start to see new/different villains start to pop up in the next Batman films unless a writer really has a fresh/new idea.
     
  21. DevilFin13

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    I guess it depends on how Nolan ends his trilogy. I like the way the new Bond films have progressed. The big thing there is always make sure you hire capable people and allow them to do their own thing.

    Though speaking of Bond, I read that they scrapped plans to do a new one. And Nolan has said that he loved the Bond movies growing up and would love to do one.
     
  22. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah I saw that, I think a Nolan Bond movie would be pretty sweet. Hopefully he gets a chance to do one.
     
  23. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Freeze got his big break in the cartoon. Mr. Freeze was a 1st tier villain in the cartoon. He even got his own movie.

    Nolan also said the Penguin would never see the light of day in any of his movies.
     
  24. Ray Finkle

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    I'm not sure if that's actually true since the Penguin was in early rough drafts of both BB and TDK in cameo form but got cut due to too many characters.

    EDIT: I did see a recent interview with Nolan saying he wouldn't use The Penguin, so maybe he changed his mind or the character doesn't fit in B3.
     
  25. High Definition

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    So it is confirmed that this will be the final installment in this series?

    Damn. I guess it's better to end things before it becomes watered down, but I've been a Batman fanboy all my life and I'm absolutely in love with Nolan's take on the series.
     
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  26. Ray Finkle

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    Yes Nolan said this is his last Batman movie.
     
  27. Ray Finkle

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    Rumor of the day (we should be getting a lot more of them now) is that The Riddler will be the main villain in the film with Joseph Gordon-Levitt as a strong front runner for the role.
     
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  28. DevilFin13

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    That would be fine with me. I was advocating for JGL to reprise the Joker role after I saw him in 500 Days of Summer. He looked like Ledger to me and he seems to be a pretty good actor.

    Any word on why they don't want to use the Joker any more? Obviously it has a lot (maybe all) to do with Ledger. But I initially thought that its such a great character that you could incorporate him in the story somehow. The more I think about it the more I think its better to let the character rest for a while.
     
  29. Ray Finkle

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    Nolan and others that worked on the film got very close to Heath and once he passed away they didn't feel right recasting the role since he did such a great job with it.
     
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  30. Ohio Fanatic

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    If they do, I'd only support the idea of another trilogy if they came up with some original stories with original new villians. To be honest, a lot of the main villains in Batman comics are pretty lame. Maybe if they selected a lesser known character. Maybe bring in man-bat and make it a hero vs monster film.
     
  31. Ohio Fanatic

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    as long as it's not Robin Williams
     
  32. Ray Finkle

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    I agree, I think if they made another trilogy they need to have all 3 movies planned out ahead of time (even if it's just a rough outline) that way it could avoid the franchise turning into another Batman & Robin.

    I do think the next trilogy, if there is one, should include Robin. Maybe have Bruce meet him early in the first film and by the end of it take him into his home, have the second film be him training to become Robin and the 3rd film have Robin in full force. That could be the center story line tying all 3 films together while having Batman deal with lesser known villains like Man-Bat or Clayface. And maybe have Bane be the main villain in the 3rd film so Batman would need Robin's help to defeat him.

    Agreed. Robin Williams needs to quit his quest to get into one of these Batman films. That ship has sailed.
     
  33. Fin D

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    You're dead to me now.
     
  34. Ray Finkle

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    Haha. I dislike the Robin character as well, believe me. I don't think we're going to see anything as good as what Nolan gave us, with that being said I think it's a direction that make sense and with the right director and writers I think it's something that can actually work especially since Batman/Bruce Wayne will need something to tie the 3 films together and I'm not a fan of yet another Batman origin done since 'Batman Begins' was perfect in that aspect. Unless the Catwoman isn't used in 'B3' then you could build a Batman/Catwoman relationship throughout the 3 films. But you need something to base the trilogy on and I'm not a fan of just throwing 3 random Batman films together (ala Batman, Batman Returns & Batman Forever as well as Batman and Robin) and calling it a series.
     
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    IMO the whole rebooting of Catwoman as an anti-hero was a mistake. She's a great villain when they make her ruthless and greedy. D.C. really makes a habit of ruining characters.
     
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  36. Fin D

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    I've always viewed Catwoman as neither really. I've just always saw her as a character out for herself and own interests. If that means going against the law so be it. If it means helping the law so be it as well.
     
  37. PeaTearGriffin

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    What about Harley Quinn? I'm sure they could tie her in some way to at least give the feel that the Joker is still around.
     
  38. Ray Finkle

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    I'm not sure what her purpose would be if the Joker wasn't involved in the movie. If they wanted to give the audience a feel the Joker is still around they can insert a throwaway line that mentions the Joker is still locked up inside Arkham or something along those lines.
     
  39. Ray Finkle

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    After watching Inception, how cool would it be if Nolan could get Leonardo Dicaprio in B3 as a bad guy? I know it would probably never happen but maybe Nolan can convince him since it would be a role that Dicaprio has never done before. Wishful thinking for sure but since this is Nolan's last Batman film why not try to really go out with a bang.
     
  40. Ray Finkle

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    Today's rumor has The Riddler part going to either Joseph Gordon-Levitt or Tom Hardy (both of them were in Inception). Gotham or Gotham City is the rumored title of B3, which almost seems too obvious to be true.

    We should find out the official title and casting news any day now, if WB is following what they did with The Dark Knight news.
     
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