The Official 2015 MLB Thread

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

My Cubbies were, before yesterday's game, 6 games over .500 for the first time since the final day of the 2009 season. It's been a long time coming, but the rebuild is paying off hugely, and man, is the arrow heading up. 4th best record in the NL nearing the 1/4 mark of the season. Not bad for a transition year, where some of our best talent is still on the farm and three of our most important position starters are rookies.

Good, now trade the mets Castro for Niese and Montero. You have like 12 shortstops, you can't play them all :)

Dan Jennings Marlins manager.........lmao can't make it up.

"Boik14 wrote:

Good, now trade the mets Castro for Niese and Montero. You have like 12 shortstops, you can't play them all :)

LOL, you guys can keep dreaming. Castro isn't going anywhere soon I hope, and unless the offer includes at least Wheeler (once proven healthy), it's dead in the water.

The most likely short term occurance for the Cubs is that Javy Baez comes back later this season, and either he, Castro or Russell moves to 3B and Bryant moves to LF. At that point, if all are playing well, I think that the team will then consider trading one of the next tier of prospects (CF Almora, LF McKinney, 1B Vogelbach) for pitching. However, there are likely to be a number of good starters on the market this fall, and they could very well sign another one to add to Lester and Arrieta. My preference would be David Price.

"SICK wrote:

Dan Jennings Marlins manager.........lmao can't make it up.

WTF

That'd be like hearing
NFL Wk. 7 News: "Philbin Out as Dolphins Coach, Dennis Hickey Appointed Interim Head Coach"

or
NFL Wk. 7 News: "Philbin Out as Dolphins Coach, Dawn Aponte Assumes Role Of Interim Head Coach"

I wish Loria would sell, but honestly, I think he keeps the team to piss us off more than actually enjoying owning the team. Worst thing that ever happened was him winning a world title. It solidifies his choices in his brain.

Yeah I don't get this Marlins manager move. Seems like its going to end really poorly.

"Ray Finkle wrote:

Yeah I don't get this Marlins manager move. Seems like its going to end really poorly.

I don't pay all that much attention to the Marlins, but they certainly have their own way of doing things, thats for certain...

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I don't pay all that much attention to the Marlins, but they certainly have their own way of doing things, thats for certain...

Hey I guess give them credit for thinking outside of the box at least.

But if I'm a manager or coach in the Marlin's organization, especially the minor leagues, I'm probably looking for employment elsewhere next year.

Wonder what Stanton thinks about this move.

Loria is bat**** crazy. I'm praying for the day he gets outed as a racist or something, and forced to sell by the league.

Marlins always make a mess of things. I don't like Remond, he's a terrible manager, never should have been appointed in the first place, but f*ck the Marlins always make huge messes out of everything.

I wish Loria would appoint himself Marlins manager so that he could fire himself in a year. Solve most of our problems.

Ever since I've known the guy I've asked myself: Outside of estate inheritance and/or fraud, how does a man such as Jeffry Loria become so filthy rich?

"Boik14 wrote:

And Jorge is correct... #KeepTheHOFJuiceFree

To think it is cheater free at this point is just wishful thinking....

Is Loria trying to replace Al Davis?

"LiferYank wrote:

To think it is cheater free at this point is just wishful thinking....

It's not, that's the joke of the whole thing. Guys that have admitted taken greenies in the 60s/70s/80s/90s/early 2000s are in the HOF and those are now banned in the MLB and are classified as PEDs.

So my question is: Should we remove them from the HOF since now they're technically "cheaters"? If the answer is no, then why shouldn't Roger Clemens or Barry Bonds be in the HOF since when they did steroids it wasn't banned at the time? What's really the difference in those two examples?

"Ray Finkle wrote:

It's not, that's the joke of the whole thing. Guys that have admitted taken greenies in the 60s/70s/80s/90s/early 2000s are in the HOF and those are now banned in the MLB and are classified as PEDs.

So my question is: Should we remove them from the HOF since now they're technically "cheaters"? If the answer is no, then why shouldn't Roger Clemens or Barry Bonds be in the HOF since when they did steroids it wasn't banned at the time? What's really the difference in those two examples?

Its really hard to prove how much steroids helped either player and both would be HOF players if not for cheating which is the most frustrating.

AL East, the Division nobody wants to win....wow they are all bad this year...

"finyank13 wrote:

AL East, the Division nobody wants to win....wow they are all bad this year...

All of baseball is pretty lousy, there isn't one flat out very good team this year, and have been for the past 3 or 4 years now. Bring back PEDs!

"LiferYank wrote:

To think it is cheater free at this point is just wishful thinking....

I never said it was. But I'm not knowingly going to support someone who was a cheater and had it proven.

"Ray Finkle wrote:

It's not, that's the joke of the whole thing. Guys that have admitted taken greenies in the 60s/70s/80s/90s/early 2000s are in the HOF and those are now banned in the MLB and are classified as PEDs.

So my question is: Should we remove them from the HOF since now they're technically "cheaters"? If the answer is no, then why shouldn't Roger Clemens or Barry Bonds be in the HOF since when they did steroids it wasn't banned at the time? What's really the difference in those two examples?

Easy, the difference is steroids actually affect performance. More mass = more power generated = further distance traveled. But let me guess...home runs are just way down nowadays by coincidence. I'm ok with removing any cheaters to be clear, but the stupidity of the argument that steroids are ok in sports completely defeats the integrity of the game and defeats the purpose of the sport itself (equal playing field) on a much different level then something like greenies. And by putting a player in the Hall of Fame you're rewarding them for cheating. That's the joke. I'll never understand that line of thinking.

"Boik14 wrote:

I never said it was. But I'm not knowingly going to support someone who was a cheater and had it proven.

Easy, the difference is steroids actually affect performance. More mass = more power generated = further distance traveled. But let me guess...home runs are just way down nowadays by coincidence. I'm ok with removing any cheaters to be clear, but the stupidity of the argument that steroids are ok in sports completely defeats the integrity of the game and defeats the purpose of the sport itself (equal playing field) on a much different level then something like greenies. And by putting a player in the Hall of Fame you're rewarding them for cheating. That's the joke. I'll never understand that line of thinking.

If you don't think greenie affect performance you don't know how greenies work. I've spoken to numerous former MLB players that have taken greenies and swear by them because of all the energy they get from them how it helped them get up for a game and give them extra energy etc especially in the middle and end of the year when their bodies are beat up and tired. It's basically speed. There's a reason why they're now banned.

The truth is we don't know how steroids actually affect performance either. There are numerous players out there that have been caught using PEDs that their numbers (and power numbers) never really changed much from year to year. Just because a player takes PEDs doesn't automatically mean they're going to hit more HRs or throw 95+, it could be as simple as getting their bodies to heal quicker.

There's just never going to be a fair/level playing field again, there probably never was once greenies and PEDs and other stuff got involved. It sucks but that's unfortunately reality.

"Boik14 wrote:

I never said it was. But I'm not knowingly going to support someone who was a cheater and had it proven.

Easy, the difference is steroids actually affect performance. More mass = more power generated = further distance traveled. But let me guess...home runs are just way down nowadays by coincidence. I'm ok with removing any cheaters to be clear, but the stupidity of the argument that steroids are ok in sports completely defeats the integrity of the game and defeats the purpose of the sport itself (equal playing field) on a much different level then something like greenies. And by putting a player in the Hall of Fame you're rewarding them for cheating. That's the joke. I'll never understand that line of thinking.

If it was a simple as "more mass more muscle" you wouldnt see cyclists and track stars getting caught for steroids. Steroids were rampant in Football in the 70's but you honestly think that baseball players waited 20 years to use them?? Come on now!

Hell a little research will show you Pud Galvin used.. You probably have never heard of him but he used in... 1889!

That is not a typo.. Not 1989... 1889..... PED's have been in the sport since the get go.

Its nearly impossible that no one in the HOF used and its not just the past 20 years....

HULK SMASH

Over/under on total wins it will take to win the AL East: 80?

"Ray Finkle wrote:

Over/under on total wins it will take to win the AL East: 80?

LOL. Cubs won the NL Central with 85 wins in 2007. 4/6 teams had losing records that year. Almost like an NFL team winning the division going 8-8. The next year four teams had 86 or more, though. Win the division one year, would have been 5th with the same record the next. That's baseball.

"Ray Finkle wrote:

Over/under on total wins it will take to win the AL East: 80?

86 -

seriously though, how can a team lose 7 of their last 9 and still hold 1st. Al east once a giant now a giant myth.

"Ray Finkle wrote:

Yeah I don't get this Marlins manager move. Seems like its going to end really poorly.

I think this

Ozzie is still on the pay roll and comes off at the end of this yr, Mike redmond will be on the payroll for another 3 yrs. Dan Jennings is already on the payroll, no way Loria was going to pay another person that wasnt already on the payroll. I think this gives him time to clear the decks, money wise, so to speak and do a "proper" ( we all know the marlins never do anything in a proper manner) manager search.