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The Official 2014 MLB Off-Season Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by finyank13, Oct 31, 2013.

  1. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Umm don't you realize how many people die every year in collisions at tg e plate?
     
  2. finyank13

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    I dont like how a runner can't deviate from the direct pathway....does this mean like the straight chalk line to home or can they be within reach to touch it much like when a play at second happens?

    I also dont like how a catcher can't block the plate, not whole body block it which is where you see the major collisions happen, but say block the offensive player touching the plate with his shins down....
     
  3. Alex44

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    I hate everything about it. Everything. Next players won't be alloed to run into the wall for fly balls. Too dangerous.
     
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  4. finyank13

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    I know I got that from your post :lol: that you weren't a fan....
     
  5. Ray Finkle

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    I guess I don't really see an issue with the new rule. I'd much rather let the runner score than risk my catcher, especially if he's a good one, getting hurt and missing time. I mean it's not like it will take anything away from the actual game and baseball isn't a contact sport (especially if Jeff Francoeur is at the plate, am I right?) and it's not like runners can knock over a player covering 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
     
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  6. finyank13

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    But it really does take away from the game IMO if it is literally what I asked a few posts back....there are times when a slick sliding move scores a run for the offense without a collision and likewise a nice block of the runners shoes via the catchers shins saves a run for the defense without a collison....

    Will they be able to do that anymore? If not those plays at the plate are going to be awful kinda....
     
  7. Ray Finkle

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    Doesn't the original rules prohibits the catcher from blocking the plate anyway (although the rule is never inforced)? I mean you're not allowed to block any base the way the catcher blocks home plate. I mean right now a catcher can basically sit on home plate covering it up thus giving the runner no chance of touching it, how is that fair?
     
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  8. Nappy Roots

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    Then you tell your catcher to not block the plate. I am not going to try and go as far as Alex, but he brings up the wall. Are you going to tell Mike Trout to not run into the wall to catch a fly ball? I played catcher, and Im block and knock guy all day.
     
  9. finyank13

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    Interesting point, not sure....
     
  10. Ray Finkle

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    It's not just about the catcher though, it's about the base runner's safety too. If the catcher is blocking the plate, it leaves the base runner no choice then to run into him.

    Regarding your question about Trout, I think you try to educate your players, especially the star ones, to be smart when they're playing and don't take any unnecessary risks. If you're up 5 runs in the 9th, then no don't run into a wall to catch a fly ball. Also don't slide head first into first base, stuff like that.
     
  11. Alex44

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    Well I was going a bit over the top for the sake of making the point. What you said is 100% how I feel.
     
  12. Ray Finkle

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  13. Ray Finkle

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    Braves sign Ervin Santana, no terms listed yet. Just Stephen Drew and Morales left as notable names on the market.
     
  14. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Braves HAD to make that move after Medlen when down.
     
  15. finyank13

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    He is going to do well in the NL
     
  16. Ray Finkle

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    Agreed. Also like that it's only a 1 year deal for them. Santana apparently wasn't getting a ton of mult-year offers because of concerns with his arm. If he's good, the Braves will just give him a QO and he's back to where he was this year waiting and if he sucks the Braves just cut him loose.
     
  17. muscle979

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    They're paying him 14.1 million for this season. They were getting to the point of desperation, this was a big win for them.
     
  18. finyank13

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    ...
     
  19. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    So Marlins in the world series this season :shifty:
     
  20. finyank13

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    Ouch....

     
  21. Ray Finkle

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    Parker, Melden, Corbin, Hochever, Luebke, Wieland, Beachey.... everyone is getting TJs right now.

    Which is a good reminder for young pitchers that if you're offered a multi-year deal, even if it's a bit below market, you're better off taking it.
     
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  22. muscle979

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    It's insane how many pitchers get it. It will be surgery number two for Medlen and Beachy, basically their entire careers are in jeopardy. Were this many pitchers having elbow problems 30 years ago?
     
  23. Nappy Roots

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    Has it been confirmed with Beachey?
     
  24. Ray Finkle

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    Oh I'm sure there were. They either pitched with the elbow damage or had to retire/cut because of poor performance. Don't forget 30 years ago there were 4 man rotations.

    Not confirmed but looks likely to happen.
     
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  25. muscle979

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    He's getting a second opinion from a doctor in LA. It's probably going to happen. It's getting close to two years since the last one and he still hasn't regained his velocity and he's having problems and setbacks all the time.
     
  26. Ray Finkle

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    It's a good time to point out the myth that pitchers will be ok after getting TJ surgery. Yes the surgery has a high success rate but there's no guarantee and sometimes pitchers need another one or are never able to return to form. Anytime a player, especially a pitcher, gets cut open there's risk.
     
  27. finyank13

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    I think Heymen wrote an article asking why there are so many TJ surgeries recently...
     
  28. Nappy Roots

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    Interested. Got a link?
     
  29. finyank13

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    Let me work on that Nappy, so many times I read the article and forget were it was...
     
  30. Ray Finkle

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    Because more pitchers are tearing their ulnar collaterial ligament?
     
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  31. finyank13

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    So he doesn't give an explanation just this......

     
  32. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah it sucks so many pitchers are getting hurt but the teams are in no win situations here with the media. Right or wrong they get killed if they baby the pitcher or they get killed if they abuse them. I just don't think this is black or white here. I'm sure if there was a "right" answer the teams would figure it out in order to prevent it as there's just too much money wasted on hurt players. I think this is more of a freak thing where a lot of the pitchers have gotten hurt at the same time.

    It would actually be an interesting study at the end of the year to compare the number of pitchers that got TJ surgery in 2014 compared to the previous years. If I had to guess it would probably be pretty similar.
     
  33. finyank13

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    Kinda hoping Montgomery got a look see...
     
  34. muscle979

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    I read the other day only about 20% of starting pitchers make a full recovery from a second TJ surgery. It's a shame to see what would have probably been two pretty good careers basically ruined.
     
  35. Ray Finkle

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    It especially sucks for young guys like Parker, Beachy and Medlen. Injuries are just unpredictable and they suck.
     
  36. finyank13

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    Got to think Drew is a Tiger tonight right?
     
  37. Ray Finkle

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    Logic would say yes but they haven't showed any interest in him yet. That was, of course, before it known Iglesias is out for the year.
     
  38. Finfangirl

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    The success rate is about 80% for professional athletes with one TJ surgery it drops to about 40% for the 2nd surgery. The 20% you read is probably for rotator cuff surgery, not tj surgery.
     
  39. Nappy Roots

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    The more I think about it, the more I doubt they will go after him. Is 2 months of Drew worth that 1st round pick? I can't say so. I am sure they feel like they can wait until the draft, if he is still around, pick him up. If he isn't make a trade for a mid level, stop gap guy. It's not like JI was going to hit very well anyways.
     

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