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Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by schmolioot, Jul 7, 2014.

  1. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Stein reporting that Deng is expected to opt out.

    Unless he ends up willing to take the same 1 year, $10 million deal (or even something less), I let him go, plug Justise in and divert his money to Wade to resolve this problem.
     
  2. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Doesn't affect space at all. It would affect luxury tax if we let him go.
     
  3. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    I'm not sure he's become a worse shooter (though he is flaring out his elbow a little more since leaving Miami), as much as it is him taking more low-percentage shots. You're not going to see a highly efficient level of play until he gets on an offense that is able to put him in better position to score, and a defense that creates more turnovers. May never happen again, which is why his years in Miami were so great.
     
  4. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    Losing Deng seems like a pretty decent blow to Heat's 2016 chances, right? Already pretty thin - gonna REALLY need health and a monster rookie year from Winslow.
     
  5. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Depends.

    If Deng leaves, that opens up plenty of space under the luxury tax threshold. Even giving Wade the max, we could sign a Gerald Green type for the full MLE.

    also, there is no guarantee that he leaves.

    If I'm Riley, I tell Deng, listen we want you back at the $10 million for 1 year. Go out and test the market. If you find a multi-year deal approaching $10 million per, then god bless. If you don't, or just decide you want to come back, the $10/1 is here waiting for you.
     
  6. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    Using the MLE hurts your space for summer of '16 tho, right?
     
  7. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Can be a 1 year deal.

    A guy like gerald green might take that.
     
  8. Section126

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    The Heat still have bird rights on all these players. They can resign them all at higher or lower numbers. All that matters is the Tax figure when they are done.
     
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  9. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    Still seems like a downgrade. And makes it hard to acquire any shooting since you'll have to use it to replace Deng, right?

    Just think it hurts odds to contend in 2016. And it seems fairly important to have a good showing in 2016 if you're trying to attract big name FAs. Bosh, Wade, Dragic will all be over 30 so young dudes aren't gonna be flocking unless they think it's an automatic winner.
     
  10. Section126

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    Irony.
     
  11. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Deng opting out isn't ideal, but it's not the end of the world.

    I don't know what his market will look like, but I can't imagine it will be huge.

    It wasn't huge last year and he didn't do anything this year that would particularly change that, I don't think.

    Atlanta maybe, if they lose Carrol.
     
  12. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Green is a shooter. Better than Deng.

    and Winslow would be your starter in that scenario.

    He may end up better than any FA would could sign.
     
  13. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    This reads like wishful thinking. LOL
     
  14. Section126

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    I'm pretty sure they will bring back Deng at a lower number with the addition of a second year.

    If they need the space in 16', they trade him.
     
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  15. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    The guy saying Durant probably isn't signing in Miami is hardly the one that should be accused of wishful thinking.
     
  16. Section126

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    ?????????????
     
  17. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    So, what, like a 2 for $16 million?

    That's a fairly tradeable contract I suppose.
     
  18. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    for those wondering about depth issues with the Heat:

    Rio
    McBob
    Winslow
    Bird
    Ennis
    UD
    Mini-MLE
    Napier
    TJ
    Richardson

    that's pretty good, and they will still be in on Dunleavy / Dudley, and those types.

    It's early.
     
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  19. Section126

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    Yes.
     
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  20. Section126

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    Would you rather have Dorrell Wright than Luol Deng?

    Deng is the better player, Wright is the better fit in our system.
     
  21. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Hmmm

    Would lose a lot defensively, but having that kind of shooting would open everything up.
     
  22. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Luol Deng has opted in according to the Herald.
     
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  23. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Awesome.

    Now all this other stuff is moot.

    Need to trade Rio/Bird to give Wade the max.
     
  24. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    Well, there ya go. Think that's good news.
     
  25. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    I say pass on both... Develop both Winslow and Ennis at the 3.....
     
  26. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Wade is going to milk this until midnight.
     
  27. ckparrothead

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    Luol Deng was planned to be a big cog in the Heat's playoff aspirations back before anyone knew who Hassan Whiteside was and before anyone gave more than an idle thought about this Goran Dragic guy out in Phoenix.

    Things have changed.

    I don't think anything short of losing Dragic, Wade, Bosh or Whiteside could be said to be a "decent blow" to the team's chances. Just being honest.
     
  28. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but my faith in Deng staying healthy for any appreciable amount of time is low.
     
  29. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    I'll be extremely shocked if he opts in. With his injury history, I doubt he risks going into the season without a multi year deal.
     
  30. Section126

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    You sign Dorrell Wright, and you have a very deep team.
     
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  31. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    Ha - oddly enough this was a case of me being more optimistic than you, apparently. I was thinking Heat w full roster is a 2-3 seed in the East and could make noise in the playoffs - not just get there.

    Without Deng I think they'd have been pretty thin - especially trying to guard anyone on the wing w LeBron, Butler, George, etc in the East (and Winslow being 19.)
     
  32. Section126

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    He has been extremely durable throughout his career, even with Coach Thibs trying to kill him.
     
  33. Section126

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    I think CK was alluding to the Heat keeping the designation of Loserville on Cleveland.
     
  34. Sumlit

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    Imagine that Big/Defensive lineup for Heat next season?

    Wade
    Winslow
    Deng
    Bosh
    Whiteside

    Yikes!
     
  35. Section126

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    Better yet.

    Rio
    Winslow
    Wade
    Deng
    Bosh

    The turnovers they can create...ridiculous.
     
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    Lebby confirms, Boston offered the Heat 4 1st round picks. Two in the "teens", two conditional, AND Two 2nd round picks.
     
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  37. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The only reason to even consider that deal over Winslow is if you guess that Boston will miss the playoffs in some of those years.

    Certainly the picks Boston had this year were no great shakes
     
  38. Desides

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    Turning that down and taking Winslow must have been extra sweet for Riley.
     
  39. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    If one of those picks is Brooklyns unprotected pick.... winslow better be great... I always imagined Riley and Arison laughing at Ainge when they see his number on the caller ID and not bothering to pick up the phone.
     
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  40. jackbanks12

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    I think we got extremely lucky getting Winslow and I hope Wade doesn't take every cent available. NYG and I are starting a youtube channel and we just did a NBA Draft recap. I was really hopeful to get some feedback from you guys as I respect your opinions. Thanks! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_nXvlFljgQ
     

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