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**The Official 2012-13 NBA Thread**

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Muck, Jul 11, 2012.

  1. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    So Butler coach now the Celtics coach.
     
  2. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    The image is ridiculously high resolution. The iPad purposefully won't display it.
     
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  3. PhinsPhan11

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    Apparently Brad Stevens is now the Celtics coach.
     
  4. Section126

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    I said so on Twitter..will say so here.

    Hiring Brad Stevens to coach the Celtics is like putting an Armani suit on a turd.
     
  5. Silverphin

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    I still liked their old Jet Fighter logo they had.
     
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  6. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Same here. iPad won't show it.
     
  7. Rouk

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    damn celtics in full tank mode they're not even trying to hide it
     
  8. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Rondo and Jeff Green traded in 3-2-1.....tank mode activated.....
     
  9. PhinsPhan11

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    Sixers can do better. They'll probably make a couple more moves and be pretty awful next season.
     
  10. TiP54

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    By far my favorite Bosh Bomb. I remember watching live and just dying.

    [video=youtube;saj5HqNyeMI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saj5HqNyeMI[/video]
     
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  11. MikeHoncho

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    That's really bizarre. My phone showed it.

    That's kinda like saying, my car purposely didn't start because it's too sunny out.
     
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  12. Desides

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    More like your car didn't go fast because you had 8 tons of cargo strapped to the top.

    But yeah, the iPad has an image resolution limit, and it won't break page formatting if it can help it, either.
     
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  13. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Knicks resign Jr. ..not sure how I feel about this.

    Kings and pelicans expected to do tyreke evans sign and trade with vasquez and robin lopez to Sacramento. Like that for both sides
     
  14. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Charlotte signs Al Jefferson 3 yrs $41 million. Ridiculous overpay but shirt length.

    Charlotte has no choice but to overpay though
     
  15. UCFinfan86

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    Can someone explain the advantage of a sign and trade? I don't understand it from the pelicans perspective. Why not sign tyreke and then trade Vazquez in a seperate deal? He has value and should be able to atleast snag a draft pick. Instead they lose an asset for nothing for a guy they can just sign outright.
     
  16. Fin-Omenal

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    $$$

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  17. Stitches

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    If they didn't agree to the S&T, Sacramento may have just may have just matched whatever NO was offering.
     
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  18. Fin-Omenal

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    It's nice to have a guy runnin with the 2nd group that can go nuts on any given night.
     
  19. PhinsPhan11

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  20. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    If you cant see the image, you are really missing out.
     
  21. TiP54

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    Just stumbled upon this again...man i LOLed

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  22. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Warriors trying to dump Bogut, Jefferson and Biedrina to sign Howard outright.

    Lots of scuttle that Howard has told GS he will sign with them if space can be opened
     
  23. Desides

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    Howard will win nothing in Golden State. Though they'd be a nice match against the Thunder in the second round.
     
  24. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Like Stitches and Fin-o said its money and preventing the other team from just matching a deal. The other parts are it allows teams to shed unwanted contracts while helping other teams fill a need. So if we take the Evans deal for instance New Orleans just acquired Jrue Holliday on draft night. Gervais Vasquez proved himself a worthy starter. You think he would be happy riding pine after being one of the league leaders in assists? New Orleans really has nowhere else to play him with Tyreke now in the fold and still with Eric Gordon on the roster (when healthy). Keeps teams and players happy and it facilitates player movement which the salary cap can be a little restrictive with regards to that.

    Eh, I dont like the length of the deal and Im not sold he wont regress. Theres good and bad with JR and hes not really reliable. I was kinda hoping he'd get an offer higher then what the Knicks could match and maybe a S&T would have been worked out.

    Knicks also resigned Prigioni for 3 years and 6M which is just crackheadish imo. Thats an obvious trade candidate in a year or 2 if he doesnt just retire or go back to europe.
     
  25. Fin-Omenal

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    Pablo is a solid back up, JR I can see being traded at some point.

    No real improvement can be made this year, just Need Amare to stay healthy. ..then our depth is very good.

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  26. ckparrothead

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    So...Shane Battier and Ray Allen more valuable than Chris Bosh?
     
  27. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    As far as GM's are concerned based on salary/production/cap charge....

    yes.

    But obviously..you don't build a team by evaluating a players salary and production, and only getting the guys that outperform their salary slot.

    You build by adding TALENT.

    BTW, that chart is in every NBA General Managers' office wall.
     
  28. Section126

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    Basically...being a third option and producing like it, with a max contract REALLY REALLY hurts your roster value.
     
  29. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Hey Sec, is there anything new on the Miami-Oden front?
     
  30. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    nope.

    Just that it's obvious the heat won;t go past 1 year with him and he wants something better.
     
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  31. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Warriors still very much in in Dwight per Stein and aggressively shopping Biedrins and Jefferson

    Don't care much where Dwight lands but it would be hilarious to see the Genius Daryl Moray fail yet again
     
  32. ckparrothead

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    Then I must be reading the chart wrong, because to me it looks like it's saying that Shane Battier's 5 year worth is $45.7 million, and Ray Allen's 5 year worth is $55.4 million...whereas Chris Bosh's 5 year worth is only $39.6 million.

    Those don't look like a "relative" numbers to me. They look like claims of absolute worth.
     
  33. Fin-Omenal

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    Soooo, I ain't missin shnit??
     
  34. Section126

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    nope.

    What the chart is saying in the contract section, is the players projected cap worth for a 5 year deal based on his current production VALUE.

    Value meaning production per dollar spent. If you noticed, some of the values depreciate steeper.

    What the Heat part of the chart shows is that Lebron James and Dwyane Wade produce beyond their contracts, Shane Battier and Ray Allen vastly outperform theirs, and Chris Bosh, Udonis Haslem, and Mike Miller are the only players that are overpaid based on production.

    Players that perform to their contracts, include everybody else, with Birdman outperforming his based on minutes. (thus his WP per 48 number)
     
  35. Section126

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    no...you are. get to a library right now.
     
  36. Section126

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    the best way to understand is this.

    Look at Lebron James. Look at his depreciation over the next 5 years.

    He begins to have a rate of "raise" that decreases every single year past 14-15'. By the end of year 5, he is at negative depreciation. Wade by year 3 is at negative depreciation.

    The chart shows that James Harden is the best longterm value in the NBA. He will still be appreciating in year 5, while Steph Curry is leveling off, and other stars such as Dwight Howard, and Lebron James depreciate.
     
  37. Section126

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    the other way to look at it is to use it, like NBA GM's do. as a Trade Value and Free Agency Value chart.
     
  38. Section126

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    according to the chart...the 3 least valuable players in the NBA Are from the bottom:

    Antawn Jamison
    Luis Scola
    Andrea Bargangi

    that is devised by using their salary, and cap hold, based on MP, and Wins Produced per 48 minutes. you then compare it to the NBA average for their salary, and it tells you the negative impact of a player. In Barg's case, he allows for a negative -10 games per year based on his value.

    Now, if you reduced his salary to let's say..the league minimum, his "expectation" would be vastly different, although his WP per 48 is well below average for even a bottom 4 of the roster slot.
     
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  39. schmolioot

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    Heh, Knicks.
     

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