The Official 2011 Boston Red Sox Thread
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Rocky RaccoonmoderatorGood offseason for the Sox so far. They're lineup is going to be sick.
Ray FinkleNew Member"Rocky Raccoon wrote:
Good offseason for the Sox so far. They're lineup is going to be sick.
Join the bandwagon Mikey, you know you want to.
Roman529New MemberThe Phillies are still the team to beat....so says Vegas!!!
Finfangirlluxury_boxDid anyone else hear Crawford say his "heart was in Boston"....Really? Kinda like when johnny damon "always wanted to be a tiger". I know he's not going to say "my bank account always belonged to boston" but sheesh, seriously he's already starting the relationship off with Lies.... :)
Ray FinkleNew Member"Finfangirl wrote:
Did anyone else hear Crawford say his "heart was in Boston"....Really? Kinda like when johnny damon "always wanted to be a tiger". I know he's not going to say "my bank account always belonged to boston" but sheesh, seriously he's already starting the relationship off with Lies.... :)
Yeah but did you hear the actual question and his full response though or did you just hear that one small quote without hearing it in full context? In case you didn't (and sorry in advance for assuming you didn't hear the full context of it) in a nutshell he was asked about the Angels interest in him and his interest in the Angels and he said while he was interested in the Angels and they gave him a good offer but he thought his situation would be better in Boston and that at the end of the day his heart was here in Boston. So yes while I'm sure 98% of the decision was based on money, it wasn't as over the top as Damon's comment. Obviously if you put the quote in context it loses a bit of the headline like most quote often do.
Finfangirlluxury_box"Ray Finkle wrote:
Yeah but did you hear the actual question and his full response though or did you just hear that one small quote without hearing it in full context? In case you didn't (and sorry in advance for assuming you didn't hear the full context of it) in a nutshell he was asked about the Angels interest in him and his interest in the Angels and he said while he was interested in the Angels and they gave him a good offer but he thought his situation would be better in Boston and that at the end of the day his heart was here in Boston. So yes while I'm sure 98% of the decision was based on money, it wasn't as over the top as Damon's comment. Obviously if you put the quote in context it loses a bit of the headline like most quote often do.
Finkle relax; i was making a joke......
Ray FinkleNew Member"Finfangirl wrote:
Finkle relax; i was making a joke......
I actually am relaxed, just explaining the context of it, that's all.
Finfangirlluxury_boxI know the context of it, i watched the press conference....nevermind!
Ray FinkleNew MemberReally interesting article detailing the Crawford signing:
I found it pretty interesting that (again assuming it is true), the Sox had really scouted Crawford hard during the 2nd half of the year and tried to find out everything they could about him as a player and person, that Crawford had decided that if the offers between the Angels and Red Sox were even he'd pick Boston which surprised everyone since he was linked to LA very early. Also that the Sox told him he was their #1 target this winter and they were going to meet with Werth as misdirection and he was a Plan B for them.
Anyway very interesting article and I recommend any Sox (or non Sox fans) to read it. It really must be pretty interesting to be a GM or part of the front office.
BigDogsHuntNew MemberReport: Bobby Jenks agrees to a two-year, $12 million deal with the Red Sox
wow.....solid offseason to add depth to pen
BDH -
"To me, there are three things we all should do every day of our lives. Number one is laugh. You should laugh every day. Number two is think. You should spend some time in thought. And Number three is, you should have your emotions moved to tears, could be happiness or joy.
"If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special."
Jimmy V. (Mar '93)
Ray FinkleNew MemberYeah I like the Jenk move and glad it's only a 2 year deal. Gives the Sox 3 options at the closer position now just in case. Hopefully the Sox can trade for or sign a LHP now. Also adding one more arm can't hurt in the pen either.
Just saw the Red Sox have traded Eric Patterson to SD. I wonder if it's just to free up a 40 man roster spot or if he was the PTBN in the Gonzalez for Kelly/Rizzo/Fuentes deal. Either way not a big deal/loss for the Sox at all.
EDIT: Patterson IS the PTBN.
"BigDogsHunt wrote:
Report: Bobby Jenks agrees to a two-year, $12 million deal with the Red Sox
wow.....solid offseason to add depth to pen
His peripherals are interesting:
2008 2.63 ERA 0.4 HR/9, 2.5 BB/9, 5.5 K/9 3.93 xFIP
2009 3.63 ERA 1.5 HR/9, 2.7 BB/9, 8.3 K/9 3.63 xFIP
2010 4.44 ERA 0.5 HR.9, 3.1 BB/9, 10.4 K/9 2.62 xFIP
By FIP standards, it would appear that he was rather unlucky last year. It seems like a solid signing considering GMs around the league are tossing ill-advised 3-yr contracts in the direction of relievers.
finyank13New Member6 million for a set up guy?? I love the new look Sox hahaha....seriously though solid move, I am going on record though, if they trade Paps it is a bad move on their part...
Bard is still learning, and Jenks has a shrugged off that gas can mentality yet...
“If you told me A-Rod flew on a spaceship from Mars to here, I wouldn't be surprised."--thephins.com poster Ray Finkle on A-Rod
Ray FinkleNew Member"FaninPatsyLand wrote:
His peripherals are interesting:
2008 2.63 ERA 0.4 HR/9, 2.5 BB/9, 5.5 K/9 3.93 xFIP2009 3.63 ERA 1.5 HR/9, 2.7 BB/9, 8.3 K/9 3.63 xFIP
2010 4.44 ERA 0.5 HR.9, 3.1 BB/9, 10.4 K/9 2.62 xFIP
By FIP standards, it would appear that he was rather unlucky last year. It seems like a solid signing considering GMs around the league are tossing ill-advised 3-yr contracts in the direction of relievers.
Exactly. Give me 2 years of Jenks instead of 3 years of Downs/Benoit/Crain/Guerrier.
"finyank13 wrote:
6 million for a set up guy?? I love the new look Sox hahaha....seriously though solid move, I am going on record though, if they trade Paps it is a bad move on their part...
Bard is still learning, and Jenks has a shrugged off that gas can mentality yet...
Benoit is getting what 5.5 million per year for 3 years, Downs is getting 5 for 3, Crain is getting 4.3 million for 3, Guerrier is getting 4 for 3. So 6 million for 2 isn't so crazy. And I love the fact that it's only for 2 years.
I would only trade Papelbon if they can get something of value for him, the Sox just aren't going to give him away. Plus again I'm not sure how much value a guy who's going to be making around 11 million this year and is a FA after the season coming off his worst year in his career. People are acting like the guy is crap, he's not he's still a valuable pitcher, just not as good as he once was.
Ray FinkleNew MemberSox also resigned Andrew Miller, who had been non-tendered, to a minor league deal. Which is huge that way he can work on whatever he needs to in the minors first since he's out of options now.
BigDogsHuntNew Member"Ray Finkle wrote:
Sox also resigned Andrew Miller, who had been non-tendered, to a minor league deal. Which is huge that way he can work on whatever he needs to in the minors first since he's out of options now.
I thought he has to be on the 25 (out of options and cant go to Minor's) I believe...either he makes team (bullpen most likely) or he has to be released. Am I correct??
Edit: Yup, correct....
http://www.boston.com/yourtown/milton/articles/2010/12/17/lefthander_hill_tosses_hat_in_ring/
Miller is out of minor league options, meaning he would be exposed to waivers if he does not make the team out of spring training. The Sox see him having potential in the bullpen if he is able to make mechanical adjustments.
BDH -
"To me, there are three things we all should do every day of our lives. Number one is laugh. You should laugh every day. Number two is think. You should spend some time in thought. And Number three is, you should have your emotions moved to tears, could be happiness or joy.
"If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special."
Jimmy V. (Mar '93)
Ray FinkleNew Member"BigDogsHunt wrote:
I thought he has to be on the 25 (out of options and cant go to Minor's) I believe...either he makes team (bullpen most likely) or he has to be released. Am I correct??
Edit: Yup, correct....
http://www.boston.com/yourtown/milton/articles/2010/12/17/lefthander_hill_tosses_hat_in_ring/
No you're wrong and that article was poorly worded. Since the Red Sox non-tendered him a contract he was a FA and thus allowed to sign with any MLB team. Because the Sox then signed him to a minor league deal he can start the season in the minors, however since he is out of options, if/once he's called up to the MLB roster he can't go back to the minors unless he clears waivers first. So he can start the season in the minors since he's not on the MLB roster.
BigDogsHuntNew Member"Ray Finkle wrote:
No you're wrong and that article was poorly worded. Since the Red Sox non-tendered him a contract he was a FA and thus allowed to sign with any MLB team. Because the Sox then signed him to a minor league deal he can start the season in the minors, however since he is out of options, if/once he's called up to the MLB roster he can't go back to the minors unless he clears waivers first. So he can start the season in the minors since he's not on the MLB roster.
Hmmmm.....I hear several others discussing this. All state he is out of options and must be on 25 or cut. Weird (not that I think its a huge deal).
He has gone unsigned so its not like others are targeting him.
BDH -
"To me, there are three things we all should do every day of our lives. Number one is laugh. You should laugh every day. Number two is think. You should spend some time in thought. And Number three is, you should have your emotions moved to tears, could be happiness or joy.
"If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special."
Jimmy V. (Mar '93)
Ray FinkleNew Member"BigDogsHunt wrote:
Hmmmm.....I hear several others discussing this. All state he is out of options and must be on 25 or cut. Weird (not that I think its a huge deal).
He has gone unsigned so its not like others are targeting him.
He IS out of options, that is correct. However he was signed by the Sox to a MINOR LEAGUE deal (aka not on the 40 man roster) with an invite to spring training. Meaning if he doesn't make the Sox out of ST, he just stays in the minors hence the minor league deal part. The confusion is coming because the article Peter Abrahm wrote (who is a very good writer) was both poorly worded and incorrect.
GreenMonsterNew Member"Ray Finkle wrote:
Yeah I like the Jenk move and glad it's only a 2 year deal. Gives the Sox 3 options at the closer position now just in case. Hopefully the Sox can trade for or sign a LHP now. Also adding one more arm can't hurt in the pen either.
Just saw the Red Sox have traded Eric Patterson to SD. I wonder if it's just to free up a 40 man roster spot or if he was the PTBN in the Gonzalez for Kelly/Rizzo/Fuentes deal. Either way not a big deal/loss for the Sox at all.
EDIT: Patterson IS the PTBN.
Does Lenny DiNardo not wet your whistle?
BigDogsHuntNew Member"Ray Finkle wrote:
No you're wrong and that article was poorly worded. Since the Red Sox non-tendered him a contract he was a FA and thus allowed to sign with any MLB team. Because the Sox then signed him to a minor league deal he can start the season in the minors, however since he is out of options, if/once he's called up to the MLB roster he can't go back to the minors unless he clears waivers first. So he can start the season in the minors since he's not on the MLB roster.
I still dont think he can go right to the Minor's without clearing waivers....but again, dont think anyone bothers to sign him if he doesnt make squad out of spring.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/red-sox-to-sign-andrew-miller.html
He is out of options, so the Red Sox will have to expose him to waivers before sending him to the minor leagues. Boston will be able to retain him after 2011 through arbitration if they so choose.
Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com (Twitter link) was the first to report that a deal was close between Miller and the Sox.
BDH -
"To me, there are three things we all should do every day of our lives. Number one is laugh. You should laugh every day. Number two is think. You should spend some time in thought. And Number three is, you should have your emotions moved to tears, could be happiness or joy.
"If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special."
Jimmy V. (Mar '93)
Ray FinkleNew Member"GreenMonster wrote:
Does Lenny DiNardo not wet your whistle?
Well we do need someone to pitch at Triple A. I'd be really surprised if DiNardo plays a meaningful role with the Sox this year, unless of course someone gets hurt. He's probably 8th or 9th on the starting pitcher depth chart but I guess he could make the team as a LHP out of the pen if Rich Hill or Andrew Miller doesn't make the club and they don't sign anyone else.
"BigDogsHunt wrote:
I still dont think he can go right to the Minor's without clearing waivers....but again, dont think anyone bothers to sign him if he doesnt make squad out of spring.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/red-sox-to-sign-andrew-miller.html
What's the point of signing him to a minor league deal with an invite to ST then? Why wouldn't the Red Sox simply just give him a MLB contract? The whole point of the minor league deal is to make sure the Sox will be able to retain his services if he doesn't make the team out of ST, the Sox might still think he needs to work on things in the minors first before calling him up. It's more of an advantage to the team than the player.
BigDogsHuntNew Member"Ray Finkle wrote:
What's the point of signing him to a minor league deal with an invite to ST then? Why wouldn't the Red Sox simply just give him a MLB contract? The whole point of the minor league deal is to make sure the Sox will be able to retain his services if he doesn't make the team out of ST, the Sox might still think he needs to work on things in the minors first before calling him up. It's more of an advantage to the team than the player.
I am thinking its RISK management. Cheaper as Minor League contract even though he couldn't go to Minor's without clearing waivers. And this way, his cost is less than MLB contract while Sox let him prove he can earn an official roster spot. Thats my guess.
BDH -
"To me, there are three things we all should do every day of our lives. Number one is laugh. You should laugh every day. Number two is think. You should spend some time in thought. And Number three is, you should have your emotions moved to tears, could be happiness or joy.
"If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special."
Jimmy V. (Mar '93)
Ray FinkleNew Member"BigDogsHunt wrote:
I am thinking its RISK management. Cheaper as Minor League contract even though he couldn't go to Minor's without clearing waivers. And this way, his cost is less than MLB contract while Sox let him prove he can earn an official roster spot. Thats my guess.
Again that would make the 'minor league deal' part pointless if he wasn't allowed to go straight to the minor leagues if he had to clear waivers first. There would be no point in even having minor league deals in the first place that way. Because really if you signed a minor league contract and didn't make the team out of ST and had to go through waivers first to get there that would be the exactly same case if he signed a major league deal. It just doesn't make any sense if that was the case.
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