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The "new" Davone Bess....

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by CANEPHINS, May 22, 2012.

  1. slickj101

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    And they're just as stupid.
     
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  2. slickj101

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    It'd be nice to think that but I'm guessing it's still on a more individual basis.

    I'd also guess that while Karlos was killing pizzas last offseason, Wake was killing deadlifts.
     
  3. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    IMO it's a generational thing. As an old guy myself, I see the same opinions about what is and isn't appropriate in my contemporaries. But I also see a different opinion among the upcoming group. The thing to understand is that those opinions aren't absolutes. They're cultural constructs. And cultural norms change over time. What today's company owner thinks is appropriate won't necessarily be the same as what tomorrow's company owner thinks is appropriate.

    As for Bess in this offense, I don't see YAC as a big concern. That's not b/c the WCO offense doesn't rely on it b/c it does. That's b/c the YAC comes from the system. It's based on hitting players on time and on the move so they don't have to slow down for passes. What the receiver needs to be able to do is get separation and run consistent routes. I see those as strengths of Bess. What I don't see as a strength of Bess would be his ability to run that deep out that TAMU used so much. That's not a YAC play at all, but is one of this offense's bread and butter plays. If I were the DB I would squat on that 18 yard out until Bess proved he could get by me deep.
     
  4. CANEPHINS

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  5. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Well-Known Member

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    My point was that the players (not really Bess in this group) that didn't used to take everything seriously have started to change. If more players start cropping up with this attitude it becomes hard to attribute it to just individual basis.
     
  6. Fin D

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    Iverson wasn't another Jordan because he was less talented and an *******. His look was secondary.

    Not too mention you're *****ing about people with long hair and/or tats and how unprofessional it is yet, they are all employed by professional businesses.
     
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  7. rafael

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    And anywhere from 33% - 75% of lottery winners go broke within 5 years as well (depending on which numbers you believe). This has nothing to do with tattoos or dreads. It's just human nature that people tend to focus on short-term goals over long-term goals. So a large percentage of people who get sudden, short-term wealth tend to do a poor job of long-term planning.
     
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  8. Fin D

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    Agreed.
    Blaming going broke on having tats and long hair, is like saying you started coughing and that gave you a cold.
     
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  9. slickj101

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    I def hope so, man. If I was Wake I'd have offseason camps like Fitz. Hopefully it'll be a cultural change for our team.
     
  10. slickj101

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  11. CANEPHINS

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    You missed the point. He won't go broke because of the tats. The point is what profession is Chris Anderson lined up for when his playing days are over and the money runs out?

    With his look his options are extremely limited.
     
  12. Frumundah Finnatic

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    Dear God! Udonis Haslem shrunk in the span of 2 days!
     
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  13. Da 'Fins

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    The Larry Fitzgerald example blows up the whole premise of this. There's been no one more "professional" at his job in the entire NFL, let alone just the WR position, than Fitzgerald in the past five years. As someone said, it's apples and oranges - depending on the job and people you are around. Dreds say nothing about one's professionalism. Neither do tattoos, per se. Different athletes and people may make choices about tattoos and locations and there will be some advantages in some areas of culture. But that's just those areas. Ultimately, it's a player's conduct on and off the field that matters. And, even long term, it all comes down to what a player wants to do off the field. The whole discussion is ridiculous and the whole premise falls flat on its face.

    Are there certain careers and jobs where dreds and tats will not go over well? Absolutely. That's how culture operates.

    But, long hair does not negatively impact (on or off the field) players like Matthews or Polamalu. In fact, they get endorsements because of their hair. Polamalu, btw is a man of devout Christian faith and reads his Bible regularly. He is a solid character guy.

    The problem is it is a multicultural world and while there is still a great deal of cultural diversity and cultural prejudice (that means, in certain cultural centers, some looks, some clothing, will not work well), there should be no reason to disrespect cultural differences. Jesus would have had a beard and long hair and he would have been on the outs with that look in certain cultural settings at various times in history (even among those who claim to follow him). The point of that is simple: he lived in a different culture and time. Today, we live in an increasingly diverse culture and such diversity - in and of itself - does not make one more or less professional or more or less "good" in terms of one's character. It may hinder one's influence (if one wants that) with certain segments of culture - but that's going to be true of many. The fact is, in some segments of culture, Larry Fitzgerald will have a deeper impact because of how he wears his hair than he would otherwise. And, given his quality character off the field as well as his stardom on the field, it won't be a real barrier to influencing the "white collar" crowd, for the most part. If Fitzgerald showed up in a suit at the NY Stock Exchange tomorrow morning, he'd be mobbed by the money boys.

    And, one more thing: if short hair and a sleeker look work for a player (or a team for that matter) then, by all means, go for it. If it's a way of saying, "I'm sharpening up my game and work ethic" and it works, Great! Lots of things like that work well for people. At the same time, it's not a sign of slouching or unprofessionalism if one goes in another direction.
     
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  14. slickj101

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    :lol: I think you missed the point, but who said he was in that 50%?
     
  15. xphinfanx

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    Good for Bess if he feels better about himself maybe it will be contagous to the team.
     
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  16. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    LOL @ the random Wash Nats tattoo.
     
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  17. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    Well it doesn't help that he's into kiddie porn.
     
  18. CaribPhin

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    Haven't seen a closed thread in a while. Hoping for the best.
     
  19. rafael

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    You're missing the point that his options won't be as limited b/c of those tats among his contemporaries, the people who'll be owning the companies by that time. Cultural norms change and what you believe isn't constant or absolute.
     
  20. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    It shouldn't be closed, just moved.
     
  21. CANEPHINS

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    I'll bet you a crisp brand spanking new Washington that he ends up in the +50% that are broke category.
     
  22. CANEPHINS

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    Well, a lot of the point of the post was missed (since it was edited) and it was about him fitting into the offense.
     
  23. finsincebirth

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    That's because it was a stupid point.
     
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  24. slickj101

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    I wouldn't hire people w/gambling problems either.

    You already missed the point, but it was that having or not having tattoos isn't what puts someone in to that broke category to begin with.
     
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  25. VanDolPhan

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    Damn kids! Git off my lawn!!
     
  26. TiP54

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    I see Fitz being brought up as a proffesional with dreads.....Steven Jackson?
    Another class act guy, never been in trouble (or if he has, I don't remember seeing it) Never *****es and moans to the media, quite the opposite, always quite professional.

    I agree with Rafael on this matter, its a generation thing. While I do not have any tattoos (piercings for that matter) I don't judge anybody who does. I was raised by old school, no - nonsense parents. To this day my mom doesn't like people with tattoos because that's how she came up.
    Some of the most successful business people that i've met have piercings and/or tattoos. Are there still places that may not hire somebody because of tattoos? Sure. But that time is slowly but surely is coming to an end. If you are proffesional and good at you job, chances are your boss won't care what you look like as long as you do your job and do it well.
     
  27. Firesole

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    It's definitely the middle of the offseason when a player's hairstyle is a big topic on the forums.
     
  28. Jt0323

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    My only gripe with players with dreads is its part of the uniform therefore you give your opponent an easier way to tackle you. Getting rid of it takes their advantage away

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  30. unluckyluciano

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    Jeff Ireland made davone bess grow dreads! Not only is he a sadist, he has bad taste and is unprofessional!! FIRE JEFF IRELAND!!
     
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  31. CWBIII

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    Great point. Saw you mention this in another post, and I completely agree. I actually thought we might see him moved during the draft.
     
  32. jdang307

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    What was Ricky's hair like after he matured? LOL

    He shaved off his dreads then grew a forest on his face.

    There is a point about the Ricky Rule though (after Ricky was brought down twice by his dreads). That said, Dreads are dreads. No big problem with them.

    Would I hire someone to work for me wearing dreads? No. Not because of intelligence or anything. But any lawyers that will work for me need to fit an image, clean cut, suit. That goes for women or men. That's why George Steinbrenner didn't allow facial hair or long hair. Its my company, I get to choose the image I want. Period. Says nothing of your intelligence or skill.

    Factoid: Goose Gossage's famous mustache was in response to Steinbrenner's order to shave his beard (he only allowed mustaches). It was an FU to steinbrenner but he liked the look and kept it. Lol.
     
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  33. P h i N s A N i T y

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    Interesting debate.........ya know.... you must really have something against dreads if you think he looks more professional now. The dreads take some dedication, the new cut looks like someone just chopped them all off with hedge clippers , and he's still not grooming the face, at all. So lets not assume he's trying to be taken more seriously because he cut his hair. I do not agree that people should be judged on how they visibly present themselves. Especially with something as cultural as dreadlocks. However, Canephins makes a great argument pertaining to how they effect football players.

    I'm excited for Bess this year, he was under-utilized in 2011........ they better find ways to use him or i'll be extremely frustrated. He's a very good player that every team could use ! Always plays his best against New England too... which scares me, because if we ever let him go......................................................
     
  34. CrunchTime

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    Maybe he came to the same conclusion Ricky did.When you have a lot of hair its easier to pull it surreptitiously especially when you are at the bottom of a pile.:pointlol:

    The dreads give opponents an extra handle to bring him down and /or leave him a message when he is down.
     
  35. jdang307

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    That is true. At the bottom of the pile people are grabbing anything it's like bedlam down there I'm assuming
     
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  37. Sceeto

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    What was it like during his most kick a--, dominant years? LOL.

    I agree with you and CT that it just makes it a bit easier to tackle a player when he has dreads. It gives the D players a tiny advantage. I remember Ricky several times getting seriously yanked down by his dreads.
     
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