The Matt Moore Thread

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"KeyFin wrote:

Well, we are going to get to this conversation eventually, so I figured that I may as well get it started a few weeks beforehand. At some point this season, Matt Moore is going to take over as the starter and lead this team. He was more accurate throughout the preseason and he's much more accurate with the deep ball, so I just don't see Lazor waiting too long with such a great receiving corp that's being wasted.

Today, Tannehill missed 10 foot screen passes by 3 feet, consistently misjudged timing routes over the middle and struck out twice on deep passes (although the Hartline throw was almost perfect). I'm not even concerned about the bomb though, because its being inaccurate on all the short stuff that's really killing us. This whole offense is geared towards quick throws and if Ryan can't make them accurately but maybe 1 out of 5 times, he will be shown the bench. Despite several excellent traits, there is no replacement for pin-point accuracy in the NFL and he just doesn't have it.

I think he gets a pass going into Oakland since they have big holes in pass protection, but I don't think he remains on the field much longer than that without a fantastic display in that game. I have a fairly strong feeling that we come out of the week 5 bye with Moore under center.

Moore is not better

Fun sitting here watching Geno Smith make passes Ryan can't. Ridiculous

Tannehill is the investment...Moore is not.

If he flops this year, Moore wouldn't take over the team anyway, so it doesn't make any sense to move to him just to come out with the same record, or worse. Buffalo smoked our asses...4 of the last 5 times we played them. We've won 2 in a row against New England....I can't figure it out. We had a lot of bad moments / drops last week, then even MORE this week. Can it get worse?

"Patssuck wrote:

Moore is not better

Yet he's better in every statistic that matters, including leadership abilities.

There's a bigger picture here though, and it's one the fan-base doesn't really see from the outside. This isn't just Tannehill's make or break year, but it will also decide the career of Philbin, Hickey, Lazor and several others as well. They're not going to just sit by idle this season and hope for the best, so something has to happen quickly.

"KeyFin wrote:

Yet he's better in every statistic that matters, including leadership abilities.

There's a bigger picture here though, and it's one the fan-base doesn't really see from the outside. This isn't just Tannehill's make or break year, but it will also decide the career of Philbin, Hickey, Lazor and several others as well. They're not going to just sit by idle this season and hope for the best, so something has to happen quickly.

leadership huh? ok we are going start making bull**** points then how many fourth quarter comebacks has Moore lead?

On balance I don't think we lose or gain anything by starting Moore, except we would gain on competitiveness, which was the reason I was for starting Moore this season. But, I doubt it happens. The whole gameplan is tailored for Tannehill.

Moore is a guy that needs a decent OL, a good TE, a few decent WRs, and capable RBs. I don't see any reason why he couldn't give you a 88-90 QB rating season. We've been hoping for that from Tannehill.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

Tannehill is the investment...Moore is not.

If he flops this year, Moore wouldn't take over the team anyway, so it doesn't make any sense to move to him just to come out with the same record, or worse. Buffalo smoked our asses...4 of the last 5 times we played them. We've won 2 in a row against New England....I can't figure it out. We had a lot of bad moments / drops last week, then even MORE this week. Can it get worse?

I agree with this take. We have to see what we have in Tannehill and that means giving him most of if not all of the season before we throw in the towel. Moore is not going to be here for more than a year or so, we have to give Tannehill his chances and hope we were smart in drafting him when we did. I thought Tannehill was downright awful for a lot of this game. Millers drop, Sims drop last week, there were some NOTABLE drops that could have changed things a lot in both games so its not fair to just drop it all on Ryan but his accuracy is alarmingly bad at times and its a huge concern. We are at the point where we need to be thinking about the long term, is he worth a big contract long term? Not yet but he will get a few more games before getting yanked but it could happen and before this season I thought he was a pretty solid bet to be our long term answer.

"Patssuck wrote:

leadership huh? ok we are going start making bull**** points then how many fourth quarter comebacks has Moore lead?

How about an 0-8 season that he finished at 7-9? He had 4 comeback wins in that 8 game stretch alone, which tops Tannehill for his 34 starts.

Another 10 point performance next week and I am right there with you. Let Moore earn that $5 mil.

Ready to move on from 17...year 3 my ass

ok I see everyone is super emotional and illogical .... I will move on

Matt Moore isn't going to win this team the Super Bowl. Ryan Tannehill probably isn't going to win it for this team either, so why not start the guy you are developing and have invested in to this point? Ryan Tannehill starts 16 games if healthy, and you make your decision on him going forward accordingly.

After 2 games, not looking good for #17. We might have a different opinion after 16.

"Fin-Omenal wrote:

Fun sitting here watching Geno Smith make passes Ryan can't. Ridiculous

Exactly. That one he just hit in the corner of the end zone. Wow.

He played well in this system in the pre-season. No reason they shouldn't consider it. I don't particularly remember any glaring weaknesses to Moore.

Called it ;)

It's been two games guys. Two ****ing games. Let's relax a little bit.

"heylookatme wrote:

Matt Moore isn't going to win this team the Super Bowl. Ryan Tannehill probably isn't going to win it for this team either, so why not start the guy you are developing and have invested in to this point? Ryan Tannehill starts 16 games if healthy, and you make your decision on him going forward accordingly.

After 2 games, not looking good for #17. We might have a different opinion after 16.

Because you can't develop accuracy issues after 2 full seasons. Either it's there or its not.

"Sceeto wrote:

Exactly. That one he just hit in the corner of the end zone. Wow.

We can only imagine, I've had it with RT...he's never going to be a franchise QB

Yes. Start him!!!!!!!!!!

"heylookatme wrote:

Ryan Tannehill starts 16 games if healthy, and you make your decision on him going forward accordingly.

The issue is whether they should pull a plug on him now, knowing his deficiencies. Or wait 4 more games, or 6, or this full season.

My view is and always has been that the Dolphins could win just as many games with Moore as their QB as they can with Tannehill.

This doesn't mean I think Moore is a quality starting QB in the NFL. I think he is no better than a mediocre starting QB who is probably one of the top backup QB's in the NFL.

I just don't think Tannehill will ever be more than a mediocre QB in the NFL and therefore, Moore or Tannehill as the starter for the Dolphins will probably make no difference in the teams record at the end of the season, IMO.

It would be nice to get to the playoffs in the first place. Potential is one thing but in year 3 I think you are starting to see who the guy really is. Worse QBs have won Superbowls.

Moore took a 0-7 team to 6-10 with two close losses. This team is better than that team.