The Good, The Bad and the Ugly

Agree with everything you said except regarding Henne; bro, Henne was off the mark all night. His inaccuracy was the reason his targets were falling every time they caught a pass from him because the ball was always behind or ahead, above or below where they were looking for it.

Henne will not be reliable until he fixes the mechanical flaw that makes him throw off-target so much.

"Roman529 wrote:

We had a little bit of it all tonight:

THE GOOD:

1. I think Henne for the most part played really well. Some of his throws were a little off, sometimes he throws too hard when a soft pass would get it done, and there were also times when he underthrew it, but he is still learning.
2. Hartline and Bess did a nice job getting open and making some big catches. Marshall finally broke out a little and this allowed other receivers to get open.
3. We did a nice job coming back from a 14-0 deficit, but you have to wonder why we started off slow.

THE BAD:

1. There is no excuse for our defense giving up 31 points at home to the Jets, or anyone else.
2. Jason Allen....I thought he was maturing and coming around but he took a couple steps back tonight. The "loose grass" excuse by Michaels and Collinsworth was pretty funny. I didn't see the Jet's DB's slipping on the turf.
3. Can our defense stop opposing team's TE's? Keller beat us all night long.
4. What happened to our special teams? A punt got blocked, we couldn't tackle on kickoffs, Carpenter should cut his hair and focus on his kickoffs. Our special teams played a big part in allowing the Jets to put a lot of points on the board.

THE UGLY:

1. Dan Henning....WHY is this guy our OC??? His is beyond senile. I think it is nice that some coaches are offered jobs because they are out of work but guys like Henning, Chan Gailey, and others are way past their prime. Maybe we can bring in a guy who know something about running an offense? I think former Texas Tech coach Mike Leach could implement an up-tempo offense where we could maximize our receiver's talents. Even David Lee would be a big upgrade over Henning.

Do you really think Leach run an NFL offense? I'm thinking he'd be Mike Martz, but worse.

"Clark Kent wrote:

Do you really think Leach run an NFL offense? I'm thinking he'd be Mike Martz, but worse.

YES, he was Wes Welker's college coach. We all see what Wes has done in the NFL. Leach is a offensive genius. :up:

"NaboCane wrote:

Agree with everything you said except regarding Henne; bro, Henne was off the mark all night. His inaccuracy was the reason his targets were falling every time they caught a pass from him because the ball was always behind or ahead, above or below where they were looking for it.

Henne will not be reliable until he fixes the mechanical flaw that makes him throw off-target so much.

I know he was off the mark on a lot of his throws but he had his best game of the year in terms of attempts/completions/yards. Henning did call for some throws down the field, but then he stopped everything in his tracks by going back to the Wildcat when we didn't need it. The reverse call that lost us big yards was probably the worst call of the night. :angry:

"NaboCane wrote:

Agree with everything you said except regarding Henne; bro, Henne was off the mark all night. His inaccuracy was the reason his targets were falling every time they caught a pass from him because the ball was always behind or ahead, above or below where they were looking for it.

Henne will not be reliable until he fixes the mechanical flaw that makes him throw off-target so much.

You can't be serious. You are just dead wrong and I'm starting to feel like you don't like the kid.

Henne threw a lot of beautiful passes. He ate the Jets defense up all night. He missed a few but for the most part he was terrific.

I disagree...running a reverse is always to one extreme or the other....it's a sack or a 30 yard gain. If it went for a TD you'd be saying it was the best play of the night; the DE just stayed home and saw it coming. If he didn't, it was a big gain.

"Roman529 wrote:

I know he was off the mark on a lot of his throws but he had his best game of the year in terms of attempts/completions/yards. Henning did call for some throws down the field, but then he stopped everything in his tracks by going back to the Wildcat when we didn't need it. The reverse call that lost us big yards was probably the worst call of the night. :angry:

Henning is an idiot; it's bewildering the support he has for a guy who loses us games with his inexplicable decisions.

"keith075 wrote:

I disagree...running a reverse is always to one extreme or the other....it's a sack or a 30 yard gain. If it went for a TD you'd be saying it was the best play of the night; the DE just stayed home and saw it coming. If he didn't, it was a big gain.

I have no problem running a reverse, but why did we go back to the Wildcat when Henne was moving the offense pretty well. He was hitting Marshall, Hartline and Bess. I just think the timing of the Wildcat was off. The reverse didn't do for a TD.... it lost us a bunch of yards and I prefer looking at the reality of what happened rather then talking about hypotheticals.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

You can't be serious. You are just dead wrong and I'm starting to feel like you don't like the kid.

Henne threw a lot of beautiful passes. He ate the Jets defense up all night. He missed a few but for the most part he was terrific.

Busted. I hate the kid; in fact, I hate the Dolphins. I secretly always have.

I have to, right? After all, I always fail to add the requisite disclaimer listing all the positives of a given topic before I post a criticism.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

You are just dead wrong and I'm starting to feel like you don't like the kid.

Oh god here we go again with anyone that says anything not freaking HOLY about this kid.

YOUR RIGHT.

I guess anyone that says anything not completely ass kissing about the kid hates him because we know him personally since he kicked our dog, crashed the car and threw up all over the couch in a drunken heap the other night.

Umm, I never said you couldn't criticize him, but to say he was "off the mark" all night is just not true.

EDIT: And admittedly Nabo, saying what I said about you not liking him was wrong, but I still disagree with you in saying he was off the mark all night.

Very few QB's, other then maybe Dan Marino, looked good from the moment they stepped on the field. It took Elway, Favre and most other great QB's a while to become good. Henne finally has a #1 WR in Marshall and I think we can look forward to more big games like this, as long as we don't go Conservative. We have the Patriots next week and I believe the Jets have a better D then the the Patriots, but the Pats have a better offense. For now we are in a three way tie for first.....hopefully we can work on special teams a good deal this week, and maybe our secondary/LB's? can work more on covering tight ends.

the major difference in this game was:

1- the TE ... not sure why on earth we couldn't stop Keller - when we knew coming into the game we needed to .....

2- our OLBs are 'ok' ... but they could not hold the edge on several plays that turned out to be the difference down the stretch. Yes, Keller made a couple nice blocks to seal the edge -- but don't tell me when he is in motion that you aren't looking for that out of the corner of your eye ....

our offense will be fine -- i did not expect to run very well against the JESTS ....

i did really think we would win this one and lose this week to the PATSIES ... now we really need to beat them and head into the bye 3-1 ...

Henne threw the ball 44 times last night. There is nothing good about that.
If anyone would know this it should be Dolphin fans.

"NaboCane wrote:

Agree with everything you said except regarding Henne; bro, Henne was off the mark all night. His inaccuracy was the reason his targets were falling every time they caught a pass from him because the ball was always behind or ahead, above or below where they were looking for it.

Henne will not be reliable until he fixes the mechanical flaw that makes him throw off-target so much.

I completely agree. He did make some nice throws but got bailed out by his WR's a lot. He waited an eternity to make that last throw to Fasano. He was wide open early. I'm new here but have been a Phin fan since their last SB win and I usually just browse but last night drove me crazy.

"Roman529 wrote:

We had a little bit of it all tonight:

THE GOOD:

1. I think Henne for the most part played really well. Some of his throws were a little off, sometimes he throws too hard when a soft pass would get it done, and there were also times when he underthrew it, but he is still learning.
2. Hartline and Bess did a nice job getting open and making some big catches. Marshall finally broke out a little and this allowed other receivers to get open.
3. We did a nice job coming back from a 14-0 deficit, but you have to wonder why we started off slow.

THE BAD:

1. There is no excuse for our defense giving up 31 points at home to the Jets, or anyone else.
2. Jason Allen....I thought he was maturing and coming around but he took a couple steps back tonight. The "loose grass" excuse by Michaels and Collinsworth was pretty funny. I didn't see the Jet's DB's slipping on the turf.
3. Can our defense stop opposing team's TE's? Keller beat us all night long.
4. What happened to our special teams? A punt got blocked, we couldn't tackle on kickoffs, Carpenter should cut his hair and focus on his kickoffs. Our special teams played a big part in allowing the Jets to put a lot of points on the board.

THE UGLY:

1. Dan Henning....WHY is this guy our OC??? His is beyond senile. I think it is nice that some coaches are offered jobs because they are out of work but guys like Henning, Chan Gailey, and others are way past their prime. Maybe we can bring in a guy who know something about running an offense? I think former Texas Tech coach Mike Leach could implement an up-tempo offense where we could maximize our receiver's talents. Even David Lee would be a big upgrade over Henning.

There's nothing wrong with Carpenter or his hair. there's something wrong with the other 10 players when Carpenter is on the field. Carpenter got me 20+ points in my fantasy league. He can have an afro for all i care! lol

"RickyNeverInhaled wrote:

There's nothing wrong with Carpenter or his hair. there's something wrong with the other 10 players when Carpenter is on the field. Carpenter got me 20+ points in my fantasy league. He can have an afro for all i care! lol

I know I was just a little frustrated. It's kind of like when you call your girlfriend a %$#^&(*& when you get really pissed off, even though you don't mean it. :wink2: I was more frustrated at the special teams for allowing the Jets to get good field position all night. Carpenter's kick out of bounds really set me off along with the blocked punt on Fields. I'd like to see Carpenter with a big Afro. :lol:

Seriously there are people who aren't happy with Henne last night? He was the only reason we didn't get DESTROYED last night. And he gave us a chance to win on the last drive. Huge development by him IMO.

360+ yards against the jets defense.......he was a LIITTTTLLEEEE better than "off the mark all night"

"The Aqua Crush wrote:

Seriously there are people who aren't happy with Henne last night? He was the only reason we didn't get DESTROYED last night. And he gave us a chance to win on the last drive. Huge development by him IMO.

Even though I'm a tOSU fan, I liked Henne years ago when he first came to Michigan and I was pleased when we drafted him. Although he looks good at times, IMO he just doesn't read defenses well or make good decisions. His receivers bailed him out a lot.

Hey man lose the avy it's not for public use. It is my personal signature and I made the thing myself. Be respectful please.

"Killerphins wrote:

Hey man lose the avy it's not for public use. It is my personal signature and I made the thing myself. Be respectful please.

Not for public use huh?? Ok, a PM might have been a better option. Anyway, there ya go.

"Buckeyetroop wrote:

Not for public use huh?? Ok, a PM might have been a better option. Anyway, there ya go.

Welcome to the board. :)

Avy fight!!!!!!!