The Future Miami Marlins 2008 Thread

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  1. SICK

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    I'm sorry but being a good prospect years ago....does nothing now......the FACT is this guy has a 260 avg....15 hrs and 100+ strike outs at the 2 spot.....

    and his defense.....seriously? is laughable......bad angles, dumb soft throws with guys advancing.....and terrible decisions (sliding for balls that are uncatchable) he's like the channing crowder of the marlins....
     
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  2. Frumundah Finnatic

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    Finsgirlie isnt gonna like that, and its not like she doesnt know that you've been hiding out in her trashcan.
     
  3. High Definition

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    If the Phillies win this game I will NEVER watch baseball again. That is ****ing garbage. Garbage as ****........there's no way in hell that was a home run.
     
  4. Dannyg28

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    i forgot to comment on that but thats true. I have never heard anyone say Hermida's defense has slightly above average let alone very good.
     
  5. Desides

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    I can't take the horrible picture quality, so I don't have the game on. What happened?
     
  6. SICK

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    yeah he defense is terrible
     
  7. dolfan32323

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    The ball was just left of the foul post (didn' hit) and took a bounce off the back wall to the right (which should've given away it was foul since it would've gone left had it hit the post).
     
  8. SICK

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    victirino foul ball called a homer.....complete BS call...

    the balls hooking LEFT.....and shoots "RIGHT" BEHIND the foul pole......not possible.......
     
  9. Desides

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    This is why baseball needs instant replay and booth review.

    The umps probably gave it to the Philthies just on account of home field advantage.
     
  10. dolfan32323

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    I agree. They want it before the playoffs but this game could very well determine who is playing in the playoffs.
     
  11. Desides

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    That's just it, MLB very likely prefers the Philthies and/or Mutts in the playoffs.

    You can bet Bud Selig was crying in his office when Colorado of all teams went to the World Series.
     
  12. MelbournePhin

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    you wont watch because its not on HD? wtf?
     
  13. Desides

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    Let's put it this way, I can barely stand the Philthies as it is. Youtube level picture quality is a pretty big disincentive when I already hate the opponent.
     
  14. MelbournePhin

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    cant argue the philties part. i would love to be able to at least watch the games like you s. floridians do. no FSN on brighthouse up here.
     
  15. Desides

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    MLB.tv, DirecTV. I'm using the latter.
     
  16. SICK

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    extra innings FTW!!!
     
  17. dolfan32323

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    good bounce back to win 8-2. Hermida with 4 RBIs and Moyer finally lost to us.
     
  18. Desides

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    Take THAT, umps.
     
  19. Skeet84

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    Sweet!!! A very good win v.s the division leader!
     
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  20. Mainge

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    Yes good defense. Seriously.

    Just a preface because I don't think you'll know about the stat (hope that doesn't come off as a jab towards you, just isn't well publicized), what RZR/OOZ does is it breaks the fields into grids. It records every single out in every single game, and says "If a ball is hit into these grids, an average fielder of this posistion should get the ball".

    So, what RZR does, is if a player gets a ball within their posistion's zone, they make a play. If they don't, they get discredited. That's how RZR is figured out, total balls within your zone divided by the plays you made.

    OOZ (out of zone) is how many a players make outside of his posistions zone, aka, a players range. A players OOZ is more important than RZR. Also, keep in mind that OOZ is a counting stat, not a rate like RZR. Innings divided by OOZ is a good way to rate OOZ.

    you can find those statistics at The Hardball Times

    There's also plus/minus, which one-ups what RZR/OOZ does and also adds stuff like how hard the ball is hit and more indepth stuff. What plus/minus does, is if a player makes a play that your average fielder doesn't, you get +points. If you don't make a play you should, you get -points. So if a player is +#, they're above average, if they're -#, they're below average

    however, plus/minus costs money to see.

    But they released last years top-10 and bottom-5 at. Hermida was 8th out of RFers.

    http://fieldingbible.com/

    Basically to get the runs cost, you divide the number by two. Hermida's +7, around 3-4, which is to say Hermida's defense saves us 3 to 4 runs per year.

    I'd much perfer these due to the fact that they look at every single ball hit into the field, rather than just focusing on the bad errors and the diving catches.
     
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  21. Mainge

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    Sorry, dont mean to keep picking on you bud, but I dont understand this type of thinking.

    Strike outs are just outs. There is no statistical evidence that proves strike outs are any worse than any other type of outs. I dont really care too much about how many strikeouts our #2 hitter has. And to attach that number to homeruns like they should somehow correlate, is asinine.

    BTW, this is completely off-topic, but: That Cody Ross fellow turned out okay after all. :wink2:

    I'd like to end this with, I am in no way, shape, or form taking any shots at you. You are obviously a passionate Marlins fan, and an intelligent one at that. We just happen to disagree a bit. :up:
     
  22. PMZQ

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    I agree with that. Most teams are in HD for every game. It once again seems the Marlins are cheap or something like that. It just seems this franchise is always behind :pity:
     
  23. PMZQ

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    :knucks:
     
  24. Desides

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    I don't think the Marlins have any say in how FSN presents their games. They do control the radio side, but that's all.
     
  25. PMZQ

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    Huh ? :no:

    Strikeouts are not productive outs usually. Instead of K'ing you could be moving runners over. So usually K's are worse. :confused2:
     
  26. PMZQ

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    Then how do you explain that all Rays games are in HD ?
     
  27. PMZQ

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    We're on our way. This could turn out to be a very fun week. :up: Last night was so very important. Now Moyer will question himself, and may even have a bad outing the next time we meet him. It was bigger psychologically for us, to get over this hump last night.
     
  28. SICK

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    stole my thoughts :lol:

    mainge, I (like you) don't mean this personally.....nor do I take it so....

    but as he stated in my quote...when your the 2 hitter....say hanley (our leadoff) is getting on base.....maybe he steals second......striking out kills that!! a ground ball to the right side however or a flyball could move him up to scoring position.....or to 3rd with 1 out with a fly ball then being able to score a run....

    k's are not the same as anyout......especially with being the 2 hitter and being able to get a big inning going with hanley on base.....they are not productive...

    and k's matching homeruns......tommy hutton said something about it a few games ago....if he's gunna have a 258 avg......with 15 hrs.....his k's need to be down....

    k's a lot of the time match with trying to pound homers (ie: adam dunn) but dunn has 30+ making up for his ridiculous amounts of k's.....

    I just think honestly......for him to be our 2 hitter....and with good speed....he needs t get his avg up.....and make adjustments....and stop striking out 4 TIMES IN A GAME......like he did sunday I believe and that's not the first time this year......

    our whole team strikes out a lot, but they are putting balls in the seats at record pace......uggla with 26 hanley has over 20 at leadoff, jacobs has 20+ and cody ross platooning has more than hermida.....

    I'm just saying....regardless of everything else.....a 2 hitter.....batting 258, 15 and 50+ rbis and 100+ k's.......isnt that good......at all......having a few good games is fine

    but he needs to go on a tear like the end of last yr.....or he's gunna stink the place up imo
     
  29. Desides

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    I have no idea. But you tell me why the Marlins' management would decide to have HD for a week and then get rid of it. The expense of the equipment was already made; it was a sunk cost. They don't get their money back if they don't air games in HD.

    So, like I said, I don't think the team handles the TV broadcast, just as the Dolphins don't handle their TV broadcasts.
     
  30. HardKoreXXX

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    First off I agree 100%. Strikeouts are a killer.

    BUT, look at the team bro. They dont do the little things. This is not a team that hits the ball to the right side to advance a runner.

    This is not a team that bunts a man to 3rd with less than 2 outs (or executes it for that matter)

    This is a team that swings for the fence with 2nd and 3rd 1 out instead of hitting the ball on the ground to score a run.

    They are feast or famine, Home Run or Strikeout. Too late to change now. Time to live by the sword or die by it...
     
  31. SICK

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    yeah but everyone else is hitting more than 15.....and have more than 50 rbis.....and have a better than 258 avg.......thats why iam on jeremy so much....its not unrealistic expectations from a 5th overall pick 6 years ago!!!

    guy needs to slap some down the line, hit some up the middle, lay down some damn bunts, and stop striking out as much.....and ill be happy....till then, im not happy with 15 hrs and 258 avg......sorry its not happening!
     
  32. Mainge

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    Once again, there is no statistical evidence that proves strike outs are any different than any other out, despite numerous studies attempting to prove otherwise. I have followed and studied statistical analysis of baseball very heavily. Strikeouts do not matter. And I stand by this, despite what T. Hut says.

    Case in point, your 2008 Florida Marlins. Despite being MLB's strikeout leaders by a wide margin, we consistently win games with shoddy defense and less than stellar pitching (Up until a few weeks ago)

    So while your ready to oust our 2 hole hitter, wth just 15 homeruns (5 of them have come post-ASB, attached to a .582 slg %) and 100 strikeouts, I will praise the same man for playing good defense and putting up a .371 OBP since June 1st.

    And something I found interesting, Hermida is hitting .292 away from Dolphin stadium with a .900 OPS. How odd is that?
     
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  33. SICK

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    lol and if we didnt strike out as much, we wouldnt be 1 1/2 games out still....we'd have a really nice lead in the nl east.....

    stats or no stats.....how can you debate a strike out.....and a out moving a runner over?! They are different regardless of your statistics bro....
     
  34. Mainge

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    Because, there is a much greater a chance of grounding out on the right side, popping up, or hitting into a double play, then getting a ground ball to move the runner. It evens out every time.
     
  35. SICK

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    agree to disagree my friend...:hi5:
     
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  36. Mainge

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    :up:
     
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  37. Desides

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    For what it's worth, I think you're both right. There's no difference between a strikeout and any other kind of out, but simultaneously the goal is to hit the ball. Who knows, maybe that right fielder commits an error when catching that pop fly. Maybe the shortstop misses a dive.

    It's very obvious that Hermida has talent, but it's also obvious that he needs improvement. And now that we're almost at the end of Fredi's second year and still seeing the same issues over and over, I'm wondering if a lot of this doesn't fall on the coaches.
     
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    Exactly. It's really frustrating.
     
  39. Mainge

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    Mainge's Marlins Top Prospects

    Cameron Maybin - Carolina - .273/.366/.466 13 HRs

    Looking at Cam's line, there isn't a whole lot to be super excited about, except his OBP which is nearly 100 points higher than his average, which tells me he's seeing the ball. But it's still a pretty average line.

    Until I looked closer.

    Cam got off to horrible start, barely hitting .220 in April. Which wasn't surprising, considering he wasn't even 21.

    But since May 1st, he's hitting .291. Since June 1st, .315. His homerun totals have increased each month, except for July because he was hurt.

    Now that he's back and healthy, he has started 7 for 15 in August and on the verge of absolutely exploding and making a case for a September call-up.

    Sean West - Jupiter - 67.2 IP, 3.06 ERA, 43 BB's, 56 K's, 1.52 WHIP

    West was one of our 1st round pitchers in '05. His first two years as a pro were outstanding, and he was considered our #3 prospect going into 2007. However, West tore his labrum in spring training and didnt pitch at all in 2007.

    He is now healthy, and by all acounts his velocity is there (which is a huge concern for anyone recovering from a torn labrum. The only thing preventing him from truly taking off is his command. 43 walk in 67 IP is not good at all, however, he has a history of good control so I expect him to correct this at some point.


    Gaby Sanchez - Carolina - .337/.424/.511

    You are looking at your likely starting first basemen for the 2009 Florida Marlins. And why not?

    Gaby holds a career .310 average and .400 OBP in the minors and is absolutely tearing up AA right now. Since the ASB, Gaby is hitting .454 with 9 homeruns. He hit 7 in the first half.


    Logan Morrison - Jupiter - .355/.418/.544 10 HRs

    That's not a misprint. Jupiter and the FSL in general is considered to be the most pitcher-friendly league in the minors and is the reason both Coghlan and Raynor skipped Class A Advanced. Apparently no one told Logan Morrison.

    He is one of the younger players in the league but is obviously having no trouble with the FSL pitching. You would think if there wasn't another big first basemen in Carolina that he might see a call up to the next level.

    Morrison is likely to join Stanton, Sanchez, West, Tucker and possibly Coghlan and Raynor as Top-100 Prospects in baseball.
     
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  40. SICK

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    thanks bro!

    In your opinion, if it was september RIGHT NOW....who would we be bringing up??
     

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