Atlanta releases D. Robinson, J. Aberham, and M. Turner. Every one of these releases hits our sweetspot IMO. Thoughts?
This. Dunta can play and has decent enough ball skills. Id take him over Sean Smith. Turner isnt the burner anymore...more like Turner the tortoise so we dont need him. Id prefer a player younger then Abraham but as a 1-2 year deal he can still be productive imo
Wow, I would be ok with any of those 3 at the right price. Smith would be a great get, Abraham still is a very good pass rusher regardless of how old he is, and Turner is not what he was, but could be a bruising complement to Miller if he's cheap.
Michael Turner just doesn't have it anymore. His 3.6ypc last year just isn't going to cut it. That's what Daniel Thomas did last year.
Dunta Robinson also probably adds another to a solid list of available corners which makes me all the more inclined to solve that problem through free agency rather than the Draft.
Dunta + Chris Houston? I think Id sign for that now....or maybe Cary Williams instead of one of them though I think Williams might get more then he should.
I don't know if I'm all that interested in Dunta to be honest with you. I'm just saying that between Dunta Robinson, Cary Williams, Keenan Lewis, Aqib Talib, Brent Grimes, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Sean Smith, Derek Cox, Chris Houston and E.J. Biggers...this market is flush with corners and we should be able to pick the "right" ones to come here and help us nail that position down to where we don't feel obligated to make the 12 overall pick a corner. One underrated corner I really want to do more work on would be Bradley Fletcher. He has definitely caught my eye in the past on tape, and his PFF stats of course look great. I just need to do more work on him and actually watch him play more football. I've mentioned before Chris Owens as an underrated guy I would sign, possibly Shawntae Spencer as well (vet's min).
Get John Abraham and have him teach Jake Long (if we keep him) his moves, so he won't be raped by him or speed rushers anymore
It makes the most sense. In these situations with such an impactful injury, a guy would tend to be most comfortable playing his one-year "prove it" year in the same spot he's been playing, which gives him the best chance at success. They'll work something out to protect the Falcons in case he's not nearly the same player. I think Fred Davis should end up the same way, re-signing in Washington.
Seeing that we met with the badger, if there is any real interest in signing him it might be wise to sign a free agent vet, I surely wouldn't want Smith as a mentor..
If I knew I was going to target the Badger I would target Charles Woodson..let those two get acquainted for a year or two..
I certainly hope we're not targeting the honey badger. Miami's just one of 20 teams that met with him at the Senior Bowl, anyway.
met with him at the combine as well..I know how you feel so I won't go there, and I could very well be wrong on this one, but his talent is at least worth digging deep to see if he's a bad person or a good person who made some mistakes.
Deej, gotta agree with Ck on the Badger...even if you assume his off-field issues are resolved (which is still in question), what does it say that he was just mediocre at the combine, despite having much more time to prepare for the thing ?? Sends up a major red flag that perhaps he doesn't quite have his head screwed on right yet...
Of all people I would think DJ would be the most likely to kill Mathieu for only doing 4 bench reps, with what that implies as far as his work ethic.
Larry, he was anything but mediocre at the combine, I watched his drills very closely, reverse, slow motion, three different times, he moves beautifully, naturally talent, instinctually unmatched, ball skills unmatched, he showed excellent technique in all his drills. Bottom line, when you identify a player that has the potential to be special, that meets the needs of your team, and you might be able to get great value on the draft, all I'm saying, we shouldn't just blow it off...he's just that good, deserves a lot of scrutiny, but the talent deserves that the scrutiny be done.
Sh$&.. I know CK, I know, but this is a full blown crush, and I've looked at his body type real close, your not gonna get that much more with this kind of build, the training I believe he did work on was speed and technique, it was evident in the drills, his technique was really spot on, and noone predicted a 4.4 for this guy, you could see in his forty how he was running with good stride, keeping his arms and elbows close throughout,he's the kind of player that is all about being light on his feet, graceful in his movement, probably really didn't work on the strength aspect, more about drills and speed. I'm not here defending what he did, and I will probabaly be wrong, but he's an ultra talented youngster who got addicted to pot, this is a rare time where if I can drop a third on him, the reward outweighs the risk.
Sign Robinson and Run DRC. There is your #2 and #1 CBs. And you'd still have enough money for Wallace.
He didn't hurt a woman, he didnt't hit a cop, he didn't drive drunk, show me where any of his teammates think he's a pric, show me him being disrespectful to his coaches..are you saying a 21 year old who smoked and sold some pot shouldn't get their chance?
Let me ask you this CK, I hope you take it the right way, you have been Advocating Marquess Wilson, defending his character on many occasions, I have seen that dude act like the biggest piece of sh&$ on a football field, a complete, disrespectful, childish punk, showing up his teammates and his coaches with punk behavior on the field, we also know what has happened off the field..your willing to look over those things because you believe in his talent..Tell me why I should give up on Matthieu for being involved with some pot, when you won't give up a Punk kid with that kind of attitude, if you don't trust what I saw, then ok, you don't trust what I saw, but I saw enough to believe that Matthieu and Wilson are two different kinds of trouble.
Smoked pot? No. I give zero f*(#$ about someone smoking pot personally. But selling pot AFTER getting kicked off the team AFTER having been suspended the year before because of it? Yes. He's had his chances, and he proved he was a turd.
I respect you and the rest of everyons position....can you please sit thru this link and think about it... http://espn.go.com/college-football...thieu-admits-regrets-says-marijuana-usage-him
I'm saying he's too unreliable to be counted on. This isn't about morality. He was supposed to be getting his act together after he got kicked out of LSU. He went to rehab. He had a baby about to be born and was having fluff pieces written by SI about how he's back on track and realizes what's important in life and needs to get his act straight for his baby, etc. A week later busted with 8 baggies of weed in his apartment along with electronic scales and other obvious weed selling implements. UNRELIABLE.
Is there no way you can risk on a players evolvemennt as a human being? Are you completed opposed to a person changing their life around, did you watch that link?, does he not give you hope that he sounds contrite and remorseful.. I made a thread in the draft forum so I won't take this thread off subject anymore, would like to hear your thoughts about the interview if it changes anything?
It's simple. With Mathieu you had an entire string of incidents, one after another, constantly crossing the boundary and doing wrong even when he knew he was on his last chance, and then his last-last chance, and then his last-last-last chance. He's kicked out of the program, that should've been a wake up call for him. That should have been his rock bottom. All this stuff about how he's got a baby on the way and he needs to do right by his child, get it together. He goes to rehab and he's supposed to be cured. Yeah. Right. And then he's caught with 8 baggies of weed in his apartment, along with sellers paraphernalia. You can be addicted to smoking weed. Nobody is addicted to selling weed. With Marquess Wilson you've got only ONE incident, essentially. The coaching staff that was booted out of Texas Tech for abusing players, came into town and targeted him as the team's most talented player, the guy they wanted to make an example out of so that they can turn the program around. They grinded on him, humiliated him, picked on him, and eventually he decided he'd had enough and walked off the field during a punishment drill, and decided to quit the program. They didn't kick him out. They didn't want him to quit. He'd have been suspended for MAYBE one week if he stuck. He made the conscious choice to leave because he didn't agree with what they were doing. The two situations are incredibly different. And for the record, Mathieu has just as many instances of looking like a childish punk on the field as Marquess Wilson, if not more.
I have to be with DJ on this with the honey badger. His 40 was ok/good. Bench press was a joke. But DAMN he looks good on tape and in the drills. Not to mention he is a DB that can CATCH! I'd be all over that pick in the 3rd, or if we could trade back into the late 2nd.
So as an evaluator, your telling me after watching that your just gonna stick with a series of events as your decision maker, I'll say that Wilson is different than TM, Wilson acted like a douche bag in national tv showing up his teammates and coaches in a disgusting manner, if that's who you take risks with over a kid that looks like he might just change, remoseful and contrite, who did his rehab, then I'm sorry, your a great evaluator of talent but the game sometimes takes more than that.
I think you believe what you want to believe here. You have romantic ideas and want to see the best in guys. Tyrann Mathieu is fooling you with his crocodile tears. But I know all the **** he's done and gotten in trouble for, the "last chances" he's had and squandered over and over again. I also know that he's at least as guilty of the behavior on the field you call "disgusting" as Marquess Wilson. I think you're taking a blind spot to it. He sounds remorseful and contrite? LOL. Sure he does. Anyone can. He sounded remorseful and contrite when SI did a featured piece on him after he'd gotten kicked out. He's trying to get his life together, do everything right, has a baby on the way. What happened to that? There was remorse. There was contrition. There were crocodile tears on his cheek. And there were also bags of marijuana and selling paraphernalia in his house while those crocodile tears were streaming down his face. Booo hooo hoooo.
