The difference between NE and the other 2 games.

Absolutely agree. The defense kept us in that game and gave us a chance in the 1st half.. I don't think the second half had to do with being gassed as much as they made mistakes and gave up big plays. I can't say honestly overall that the defense played anything better than barely average.. Probably closer to below average.


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The offense came out in the second half, put up a TD ..... followed by a punt then an interception. I knew at that point we'd break. After our INT the Pats put up successive TD's and the rest was history.

It's funny because these other guys have been talking about the new positive emotion Captain Campbell was bringing and getting our players to elevate their play, YET they don't account for a defense that beyond being gassed was probably demoralized from getting virtually no help in a big game and then losing their best player. That does happen in sports. In fact we saw it on Thursday night.

 

He was trying to show you that "being tired" is not what you think it means nor does it give an advantage to the offense because they are just as tired.

 

I can agree with most of what you wrote. I also think that as a team, they were very sloppy.. While NE made play after play. Do you think having Fox take over for James early affected the offense? Not being snarky, just curious what you think? ... Because Fox was atrocious.


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It does. But see again, this just falls in line with the fact that we have an offense that can't adjust to any of these kinds of variables. There are other teams that seem to be able to. Hell Tom Brady was playing with 2-3 street guys on the O-line. Yet, they neutralized Suh and still put points on the board.

Of course this will just trigger "it's only Ryan's _ year" conversation.

 

Rock, my problem that I have had with some of your posts is that, while I agree the QB has a large part in how a team plays, you don't seem to attack any other part of this team. The vigor which you go after Ryan seems intentional. I would be more receptive if I saw you go after the LB's or OL or even the kicker once in a while... But it always is about RT. I think we can agree he can play better, but so could a lot of other players that could contribute to turning these losses to wins


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this is why your arguments fail. Brady was playing with street guys lol

the patriots understand the importance of an offensive line. want to know why we are struggling, its because tannenbaum decided that drafting parker was more important than adding offensive linemen. now i could see us drafting a linebacker, DE or even a CB but a WR when we already had Matthews and Landry and had a glaring weakness on oline going back to sparano's first year? this team will never get anywhere until we get a GM that understand the game is won in the trenches. see how the patriots keep going to florida state to find linemen because they like the oline coach. thats in our backyard. why arent we grabbing these guys?

 

Irrespective of the OL argument, let's not pretend like we knew Matthews would be the WR he's showing us he is for the first time this year. Drafting Parker wasn't a bad move given that our WR's were Landry, Jennings and Stills (and the latter two haven't shown much).

 

I think I figured it out. Franchise QBs, IN ADDITION to their magic sack, from which they grab out plays when they need them, ALSO have a magic cheat code, which they use essentially like in Madden, where they turn fatigue off during long drives. After a good long drive or two you often will see entire first team defenses taking naps on the sideline.

 

i like stills. think he's going to produce before the end of the year for us in big ways. i like parker too. its just about we had a tremendous need vs a luxury pick and we went luxury. you can make the same argument with suh. our intterior defensive line wasnt horrible but we decided to upgrade that ahead of more pressing needs. and ill be the first to say i didnt see matthews becoming the rockstar he became. but i'm not a coach. the coaches should have seen his potential. i mean its very troubling to me if players like matthews are not being evaluated correctly. billy turner too. why was he sitting on the bench for four weeks. granted he isnt great passing but he can run block at least. my fear is we dont have good evaluators of talent on the team and until we do we will always suck. its talent that wins, not coaching, no the "it" factor. don shula was possibly the greatest coach of all time and he only has two rings to show for it. he got them when he had bobby beathard as his dir of plyr persnnl also one of the best. beathard has five rings. shula needed beathard. beathard didnt need shula

 

lol. the naps line had me laughing out loud

 

I hear ya, but you know what? A good GM should be able to build a good OL from mid round picks (especially when we're talking guard instead of LT), so my preference in general is to pick potential high impact skill position players in the 1st round (e.g. Parker) and then worry about OL a bit later. Maybe the one exception is if you can pick up a Jake Long (an LT), but that really should be the exception rather than the rule IMO.. anyway, carry on with the OL argument (didn't mean to derail haha).

 

i guess thats the question. do we have a good GM? I say Tannenbaum has to deliver two good olinemen next year or we should fire him and get someone who can

 

Well.. commitment to the run game (where the OL attacks rather than defends) showed that Turner might hack it. If Albert is kept that means we need (desperately) one good guard. So one guard for sure.. gotta wait to see if our GM has to pick up 2 good OL.

 

exactly. the patriots can plug in pieces that can keep the team going no matter who goes down. brady goes down in 2008 and the patriots still went 11-5. its not like tom brady is doing brain surgery back there, the patriots get their playmakers the ball in space. rub plays, picks, have gronkowski run down the seam, have gronkowski pick a smaller player to free up their other huge tight end etc. brady just sits their and throws his 3 or 4 yard routes and let the playmakers make the plays(you know the same thing people were ****ting on tannehill for doing against the texans) what do the dolphins do? have cameron run tight end screens, the same gimmick plays we see every week, that rarely if ever work. the oline without its starters is adequate if one piece goes down the oline is completely and utterly ****ed.

 

I am not sure I follow...Andrews was an undrafted free agent. 2 weeks ago Fleming was on the practice squad. Tre Jackson is also a rookie. Are you saying the two rookies and the practice squad guy are a good oline?