The Consequences of that Vernon Call (Analysis)

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  1. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    That is BS. You obviously never played a football game if you don't think that adjustments are made during halftime. Even if it isn't a meeting with the players, coaches converse and come up with a second half game plan to try and stop what was successful for the opposing team.

    In the first half, the Patriots rarely blitzed Tannehill. They consistently blitzed him in the second half. I guess according to you, the coaches for the Patriots just discussed what to do in the second half to turn the game around while they were all taking a piss in the restrooms. You thinking no changes are made at halftime is what is truly ridiculous.
     
  2. Section126

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    That is a steaming pile of horse****. First of all, halftime is not 15 minutes. it is 12 minutes.

    In the Super Bowl, they have extended it before to 15 minutes. This was not the Super Bowl.

    So..12 minutes to "Get off the field..take craps, urinate, hydrate, adjust equipment that gets broken ALL THE TIME in NFL games..and somehow..Halftime Adjustments. In 12 minutes. No. Doesn't happen.

    Adjustments are made on the fly.
     
  3. Section126

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    Peewee, and Highschool don't count? Unless you have played in the NFL..then I would recommend that you bow out of this conversation, since I am pretty positive that I have been in more NFL lockerooms than you have.
     
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  4. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Want a real ****ing laugh? I know for a FACT that one of our Skill Position players went to the PARKING LOT to retrieve an Ipod at halftime of the Falcons game.

    The reason this doesn't get talked about is that it happens all the time.

    Pads break, especially the New Nike girdle pads, and the New Under Armor Spider suits get torn damn near every game.

    and of course..a lot of players eat energy bars before gametime and have to take a ceremonial dump at the half.
     
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  5. Section126

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    People really believe the Movie Versions of their favorite sports.....
     
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  6. jdang307

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    Did you intentionally quote me? Because the article just supported everything you said, including the 12 minutes.
     
  7. Bpk

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    More players may bat the ball if this rule had less consequence, and imo that could be argued as more dangerous to player safety as chaos of players diving and scrambling is extended, increasing the chance of a player injuring themselves as they awkwardly enter a pileup trying to get a ball that is batter and squirted out repeatedly.

    I'm not sure I believe that, but it's an argument that could be made.
     
  8. ckparrothead

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    Then you're either reading the sites wrong or they've got them recorded wrong because I've just watched three batted ball penalties from 2012, one from 2011, the four from 2010 and the one that was called in 2013 aside from Miami's.

    Of the other nine, three were dissimilar from Miami's. One of them the player actually kicked the football. Another, the player spiked the ball with one hand like a volleyball spike. A third, the player pushed the ball forward with two hands.

    The other six, the player could have made the case that he was trying to cradle the football but at full speed he just ended up batting it. Of the ten as a whole, including Miami's, I think I would have to say there is a tie between which was the most borderline.

    All the same, it's a rule. You can't swipe the ball forward like that.

    Now before anyone else insinuates that I'm a liar and I really haven't seen these plays, I'll bow out of the discussion.
     
  9. jw3102

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    So it is only peewee and high school coaches who have time to make changes at halftime and NFL coaches only have time to visit the restroom. Do you realize how little sense you make. Just because you say you have been in an NFL locker room doesn't impress me in the least. You could tell me you are the greatest NFL player of all time and there is no way for you to prove it on this forum.
     
  10. Section126

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    Yes. I was ranting along...
     
  11. Section126

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    well..considering that in High School..halftime is 20 minutes, and it is also 20 in College...then YES..Only Peewee, High School and College Coaches have time for adjustments.

    You see...20 is more than 12. and 12 is not a lot of time.

    As for proving my credentials....I have before. Unless I am psychic. Which I could be.
     
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  12. Bpk

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    I find that hard to believe. It takes 30 seconds (or less) to pass along important info that can affect the outcome of a game.

    "They're killing us on hooks and curls, start shading inside but watch for the double move" how long did that take? Is that not an adjustment?

    "They've been running through the 3 hole on us so I want you to change your spacing to look like THIS" Yeah, that took 20 minutes.

    I haven't been in an NFL lockerrooom at halftime but for years I have heard players mention the 'adjustments' made at halftime, or 'what the coaches told us at halftime'... plus I hear coaches say they confer with one ANOTHER too... HC and OC and DC... "Hey, make sure you keep pounding the run this half" would have been a nice thing for Philbin to say to Sherman either at halftime OR over the headset.

    Look, if players have time to go over and discuss an adjustment for 30 seconds on the sideline, how am I supposed to believe the same cannot be accomplished in an entire halftime when all the players and coaches are in one room together?

    And I guess it's just something all these former players and coaches in the media mention when they commentate as an agreement to fabricate a false belief in the public that there are 'halftime' adjustments which in fact do not exist at all... this is their version of the Nessie and Sasquatch hoax.

    I wouldn't get this worked up in replying to you, but for you to be so extreme and call it "Ridiculous" somewhat evokes an extreme incredulity of my own at your opinion.
     
  13. jw3102

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    You are the person making a big deal about what the players are doing at halftime, not me. The coaches are the people responsible for making changes to the game plan for the second half of a game. It is the coaches who get together at halftime and come up with these changes.

    The players merely get into the formations on offense and defense that the coaches call. But according to you, the coaches in the booth upstairs only leave the booth to go down and take a leak or go to the parking lot to pick up an I-PAD, not to discuss changes for the second half with the head coach. If you don't think coaches make changes at halftime to respond to what happened in the first half of a game, you obviously don't have a clue what happens during halftime.
     
  14. Bpk

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    And no one is saying they gather around and spend the ENTIRE break coaching the players on adjustments but to believe NO adjustments are made, and NO time is spent on them, that NO player or unit is pulled aside for a couple words by any coach ever... seriously?

    By the way, we all seem more argumentative today. Even the non-arguers. (not including myself in that)
     
  15. Bpk

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    Bill Belichick likes to take a hot tub at halftime instead of coaching...

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  16. slickj101

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    We need a voice of reason here.

    Someone ask Heath Evans what he thinks.
     
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  17. Paul 13

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    god damn Egnew... :shifty:
     
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  18. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Thanks, I needed a good laugh after the last half hour on here.LOL
     
  19. ToddPhin

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    your work allows you to take care of our trolls?
     
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  20. Paul 13

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    how many posts must I delete to clean up this stuff? cmon guys, lets all be responsible and courteous to one another even if you disagree.
     
  21. Section126

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    Because they are hardly ever all together in one room. That's why.

    "Adjustments" are made among coaches and relayed during the second half.

    There is No come to jesus ceremony or sermon.
     
  22. Section126

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    Actually a WR.
     
  23. Paul 13

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    interesting... here's odds on who it could have been.

    Wallace 3 to 5 (favorite)
    Matthews 3 to 1 (he's shown a propensity for doing things outside the team rules. Recall the fight he got in against, who was it, the Browns week 1 or the Falcons?)
    Hartline 5 to 1 (he went to Ohio State)
    Gibson 7 to 1 (doesn't seem like the kind of player that would do that, the longshot).
     
  24. Paul 13

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    honestly I think there's an inbetween here. Halftime adjustments can be made and be effective. However, it's not enough time for a complete overhaul if you messed up game planning to begin with.
     
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  25. jw3102

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    I apologize if my comments offended anyone. Sometimes I just let my agitation with some of the comments get the best of me. I should know better and just let these comments slide off my back. I guess it has been a tough 24 hours after the game yesterday, but that is no excuse for me. Sorry again and I'll try and refrain from comments which offend others in the future.

    You all have a great night. Maybe tomorrow will be a brighter day for all us Dolphin fans.
     
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  26. ToddPhin

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    I don't see halftime "adjustments" as being that much more critical or different than the stream of adjustments that are constantly occurring throughout the game on the sidelines.
     
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  27. DOLPHAN1

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    but what you just described is exactly why he was trying to pull it in. the ball scooted past the Patriot player not away from him. OV was on his stomach with another player on his back as he swiped from out to in towards his body. the direction the ball went if he was actually swatting it away his arm would have come from his body and out in the direction the ball scooted. the ball was just out of his reach as his open handed finger tips clipped the ball sending it back and not to the sideline as his motion would suggest if he was swatting it.
     
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  28. Section126

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    The guy is on that list, and your odds..are pretty good.
     
  29. Paul 13

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    good bad or good good :lol:
     
  30. ckparrothead

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    I wonder if Philbin found out about it. He who flipped out because Vontae Davis needed a pee break during practice.
     
  31. Section126

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    uh...very good. Not great...but very good.
     
  32. Section126

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    True story..Tim Bowens always took a Dump at halftime.

    This was told to me by Zach Thomas himself.
     
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  33. ToddPhin

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    so you're saying it's not Mike Wallace, and that [based on your response to his odds] it's Matthews. :shifty:
     
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  34. DPlus47

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    True, but you also want players and a coach who say "we shouldn't have turned it over 25 times." That is not to say the one play is inconsequential; I agree that the one play pretty much ended any hope of winning. It's for us fans to blame the officiating, and it's for the players and coaching staff to fight through everything.

    Now that I have said that, let me complain about officiating: I can't remember the last time such a big call went in the Dolphins' favor, but I don't even have to use the internet to come up with several big, highly questionable calls that went against them.

    I will not be sending Gene Steratore a Christmas card this year. What's sad is that many Dolphin fans know who Gene Steratore is and why I dislike him. Another year, another dog's breakfast of a game from an officiating crew.
     
  35. jdang307

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    Ok because the article supported everything you were saying. I think the break allows coaches time to breathe and regroup amongst themselves. Players just do what they coaches decide
     
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  36. maynard

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    Must have been a monster
     
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    The pass interference calls are just blatent and subjective. The ones against Baltimore two in a row that gave them a TD and the ones against the Pats means two losses or a whole season and tons of money down the tank. When a sports striped jerseys have that much impact on a franchise, it will not be long before the NFL is a complete joke. The product is not going to sell. I'm hoping CBS does not renew the contract and they have a hard time finding a broadcaster.
     
  38. maynard

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    Section, have you heard anything about how people in the organization are evaluating Tannehill?
     
  39. MrClean

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    How many of them were on a defensive player involved in a scramble for a loose ball after a strip sack?
     
  40. dolfan22

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    On the turf , extended and fully reaching for ball at his fingertips.
     

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