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Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by REV KEV, Jan 9, 2008.

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  1. REV KEV

    REV KEV New Member

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    Keep in in mind that the players currently ranked 1-5, 5-10, and 10-15 etc... will rise and fall after the combine..., Juniors are still declaring..., people need to show a little more flexibility with their thiniking....

    I think OTs will climb and so will QBs..., the two most important positions to fill on any team...
     
  2. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    that's why I don't pay too much attention to mock drafts at this time. There's still so much that can happen between now and April. Not to mention whatever happens in FA will affect the draft as well.
     
  3. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent Club Member

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    The first five or so picks are usually fairly accurate by this point of the year. The others can change drastically.
     
  4. Biggtyme13

    Biggtyme13 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Damn NFL Network. Looks like ima have to find a friend to stay with those few days
     
  5. Oboy

    Oboy Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Hey Rev, IF possible I would like to trade down and get a great OT. However, we all know the problems with trading down (you need someone to want to trade up). I am all for building this oline. However, I am NOT for spending a 2nd round pick on a QB. NO thanks. I think Beck will be ok... and we have WAY too many other holes.
     
  6. REV KEV

    REV KEV New Member

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    OBOY..., if Brohm say fell to 32 you don't think that's a good choice..., while they rank high Qbs will fall as Jrs enter the draft
     
  7. Motion

    Motion New Member

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    :huh1:

    I don't see us taking a QB on the first day. Maybe 3rd or 4th round.
     
  8. REV KEV

    REV KEV New Member

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    3rd means the first pick of the second day..., right... I'm down with that...

    Qbs will climb at the combine that doesn't necessarily mean anything..., on draft day they always fall... Beck isn't mobile..., isn't very vocal... and if BP doesn't see saviour written all over him... I'll say it again if Beck ain't the saviour... (watch Beck's body language listen to Beck says in the media).... he is mired in QB controversey day 1. BP won't do anything to diminish Beck's worth or confidence by drafting a QB..., maybe light a fire within... He is supposed to be a professional everyone here wants to coddle the guy...

    You draft all defense you are looking for a short term solution..., this team needs to think longer range... Defensive help will arrive during FA you'll see... There isn't a FA QB that I would be willing to pay the big $ to..., even FA QBs get there fair share of $..., still QBs go down like every other week in this league...,

    Somebody better have a better paln than drafting defense
     
  9. Breed

    Breed New Member

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    I'm all for giving Beck an opportunity to start next year, but if Brohm is there at #32, chances are very good that he's the BPA. It would be a mistake to pass up on a potential franchise QB just because there's a chance Beck may eventually develop into starting calibur QB. 2 potential QB's are better than 1, and who knows, it may end up like the Brees/Rivers situation in SD. Is Brees the QB he is today if the Chargers selected a different player in Rivers' place?
     
  10. Motion

    Motion New Member

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    You have that completely backwards IMO.

    How is drafting young players on defense a short term solution and bringing in older vets through FA not??? I don't buy that for a second.

    We don't need to draft ALL defense but it should definitely be a priority.
     
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  11. REV KEV

    REV KEV New Member

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    It ain't backwards... There area lot of proven athletes out there who don't command the $ of tested Oline and QB...
     
  12. Motion

    Motion New Member

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    Definitely backwards IMO.

    I'm not saying draft all defense and rely on rookies, but to say drafting defensive players is a short term solution makes absolutely no sense. We need to find a happy medium. Bring in a few solid vets to help groom younger players for the long term.
     
  13. REV KEV

    REV KEV New Member

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    These mock drafts that poop up I mean pop up are rather one-sided wouldn't you say...?
     
  14. Motion

    Motion New Member

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    Did you see our defense this year?

    Its extremely premature at this point to even suggest what we end up doing. We don't even have a Head Coach yet, we assume we'll run a 3-4 defense, we have no idea what offensive system we'll run, and we don't know what current players we'll keep. So obviously our needs could change but based on our issues from this past year I think these mocks have reason to be one sided.
     
  15. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Gholston is going to be a top 5 pick after the combine.
     
  16. REV KEV

    REV KEV New Member

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    Wanny-ball was win with Defense... Don't turn the ball over... Everybody got pretty tired of that... "defense bails out Jay Fieldler one more freakin time" that does wear out a team (ask Baltimore)

    What are you suggesting...? defenses win games...?

    Field position wins games...?

    Will you concede that the offense should forfeit their pay to the Defense for hanging them out to dry most of the season... Talant wise some D guys were hurt..., D scheme was vanilla, and the D guys were exhausted...

    How many freaking unsurmountable leads did the Offense provide the defense..., the Defense was tweaking every play..., every play was like if we blow it the offense will never get us back in this one...

    The defense is not as collectively bad as you think..., especially had we picked Okoye or Willis if Brady was that bad....


    My question Motion... "How can you justify not spending early picks on the Oline...?"
     
  17. Motion

    Motion New Member

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    I can see that we're gonna have to agree to disagree here.

    I can easily justify not spending early picks on the Oline because that was one of the brighter spots of the team this season, there weren't many. Carey, Satele, and hopefully Hadnot are all keepers. Upgrades can be made of course, but our front seven on defense and a solid DB or two should be a priority.

    I am absolutely suggesting that the defense was horrible and yes it needs alot of work. The injury excuse can only go so far, we need better starters and depth.

    I am not saying the offense should be ignored. I'm all for taking a TE or WR in the 2nd round and a Olineman in the 3rd or 4th. We used the first 3 picks on offense last year and have little to show for it.
     
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  18. REV KEV

    REV KEV New Member

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    We aren't that far off then...
     
  19. Sam

    Sam Member

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    Not true. His combine numbers that I could find:

    1) 20 shuttle - He came in 4th behind Anthony Gonzales, Chris Davis, and David Clowney. For comparison, Yamon Figurs came in 9th.

    2) 3 cone - He came in 6th, just behind Dewayne Bowe, 6.82 to Bowe's 6.81. Just in front of Yamon Figurs who had a 6.85.

    3) 40 yd - Ran 4.70. For comparison, Lemon ran a 4.9.
     
  20. REV KEV

    REV KEV New Member

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    the guy is a statue..., Andre Ware could run to you know
     
  21. Sam

    Sam Member

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    You're making the mistake of seeing Beck staying in the pocket, to read the defense, with not having mobility. He could easily have rolled out like Lemon, but that really decreases the field you throw to, thus making it easier for the defense. Example of a statue is Vinnie Testaverde. Don't really understand your reference to Andre Ware.

    On a side note: It's my belief that Cam didn't roll Beck out like he did Lemon, to make him read the defense...contrary to what Cam was saying, I think he was trying to develop John for the long term.
     
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  22. New Era

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    I do not see Brohm falling to 32... But if he does, then I do think they will pull the trigger. I just think that he will be picked in the TOP 15.:confused2:
     
  23. REV KEV

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    It was a poor argument on my part..., what I was trying to say... Game speed and running pylons are different beasts..., Andre Ware was very mobile QB who never panned out...

    I am so not sold on Beck..., not that Brady Q was better..., but BP and Ireland will move in the direction(s) they need to go...
     
  24. sgtphin

    sgtphin Season Ticket Holder

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    Unless they have changed the Combine selection criteria, Gholston won't be there. The Combine was set up originally to get a selection of College Senior's to test at one time for all teams. Gholston being a Junior would preclude him from attending the Combine.
     
  25. Conuficus

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    Well away from here
    So then why was Adrian Peterson there last year - he was not a senior at all.
     
  26. Sam

    Sam Member

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    Too funny, you're working both sides of the argument...either Beck's a statue or he could be a mobile qd who never pans out. Let's just say, he may or may not be our franchise qb, but I think he's got what he needs to be a good qb, and I hope and think he will be.
     
  27. REV KEV

    REV KEV New Member

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    I don't think so bub..., you can come up with all the combine stats you like when Lbs and Dlinemen are not in your face and knocking down your WRs..., he hasn't shown that mobility any creativity..., so how can you make any argument..., is he a scrambler...? Really..., legs, arm, eluisiveness, game speed, game smarts game intelligence..., we are all waiting fot it..., and that's exactly why BP and Ireland are in the house..., somebody missed big in last years draft on top of the other missses..., Wayne had no other choice..., right the ship the franchise is not worth what it was once worth...

    I don't need many posts too explain it....
     
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  28. Sam

    Sam Member

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    Hey "bub", sounds like you're taking my post personally, don't, it's not personal. I just found it funny you say Beck is a "statue", while at the same time, you seem to be comparing Andre Ware, a scrambling qb, to him also. It certainly sounded like you were trying to say he was bad either way.

    BTW, this is only a discussion board, it's not life or death, and I'm certainly not here to insult anyone or hurt anyone's feelings regardless of how silly some things sound (and no, that's not a shot at you). Hope you have a good day. :thumbup:
     
  29. sgtphin

    sgtphin Season Ticket Holder

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    That's why I said, originally set up, they may have changed the criteria or made an exception, IDK. Hopefully someone with more knowledge on this matter could clarify it for us, so we'll all be on the same page?
     
  30. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    http://www.nflcombine.net/?q=node/11

    Who is eligible to be invited to the NFL Combine?
    - All college seniors are eligible for the NFL Combine immediately following their final year of collegiate eligibility.

    - Any underclassmen who declare for the NFL draft and satisfy all NCAA and NFL requirements are eligible to participate.

    - Additionally, an athlete who is not playing collegiate football may qualify under a special circumstance in the year that correlates to his natural draft year had he been playing college football. He must first contact the Player Personnel Department at the NFL Office in New York (212.450.2215) to verify eligibility for the upcoming NFL Draft.

    THE FUTURE STARS OF THE NFL ARE HERE...

    This February, over three hundred of the very best college football players will be invited to participate in the NFL Scouting Combine (National Invitational Camp) in Indianapolis, Indiana. Top Executives, Coaching Staffs, Player Personnel Departments and Medical Personnel from all 32 NFL teams will be on hand to evaluate the nation's top college football players eligible for the upcoming NFL Draft. This intense, four-day job interview is an exciting time for the athletes and a vital step in achieving their dreams of playing in the NFL.

    The NFL Scouting Combine will be held February 20 - 26, 2008.
     
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  31. sgtphin

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    Thanks for the heads-up, BDH. Really appreciate that, Big Dog.
     
  32. REV KEV

    REV KEV New Member

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    You hit it dead on..., I already wrote that I made a poor argument then I honed in on what I could have wrote clearer and then you went back there..., to what I already took responsibility for (which was that Andre Ware comment)..., I'm sorry that we'll disagree..., I'm waiting for the body english..., something from his lips that he is even a leader..., he is stiff..., and what did he really gain from this season...? Of course he was a great leader in College..., well it ain't college and I would be surprised if he is under Center at the start of the next campaign... I'm not of the belief that because he was draftyed in the early stagesof the second round that he is our leader of the future..., that's nonsense..., life and death no..., nonsense yes...

    Keep your Chin up mate no harm intended:up:
     
  33. LouPhinFan

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    I think once the combine is over you're going to see Brohm overtake Ryan as the #1 QB prospect. Just a hunch on my part. I've seen Brohm play for 4 years and trust me if for some unEarthly reason he is there at #32, he's a steal. Wouldn't that be poetic? Falling just like Marino did in his draft...
     
  34. Motion

    Motion New Member

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    I think the combine could hurt Brohm more than anything. I think Woodson and Ryan will separate themselves from the pack there. The measurables are in their favor. Although I've always been one to believe that nothing at combine should out weight the on field performance.
     
  35. LouPhinFan

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    Why do you think that? Brohm is more fundementally sound than either one of those guys. His arm is as strong as Woodson's, I'll bet that he runs as fast as either of them, if not slightly faster. Ryan's arm is slightly stronger, but that's the only difference in measurables that I see. I think you'll see just the opposite. He's going to test off the charts.
     
  36. Motion

    Motion New Member

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    I disagree, I think the other two are better prospects and I'm not a Ryan fan at all.

    Should be interesting to see how it plays out though.
     
  37. Sam

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    REV KEV New Member

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    Should we trade down and we still think he is the guy..., yes...

    First overall - 40 million no one strikes me as a 40 million dollar guy...

    Interesting you missed the other top four reasons his coach was "high" on him...., his reference to Matt Hassealbeck was also a pro not a con...
     
  39. Sam

    Sam Member

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    I provided a link so anyone can read the rest of the story...not allowed to copy and paste the whole article. But I only mentioned the one reason because I asked myself the same question I asked in my previous post, and wondered what others thought.

    As for the pros of the story, I don't have a problem with Ryan, I actually like him, I just don't think we'll draft him, but my question is still interesting.
     
  40. #1dolphinsfan

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    When does the Combine start
     

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