Thank You: Stills, Foster, Jenkins and Thomas
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Vinny Finsforum_veteranOPI am proud of the way you represented the team.
Without dissent, there is no democracy.
There is tyranny without the right to peaceful protest.
This is America, where we used to laud people who stood on their convictions.
I don't know when that changed, when there was a ground swell to make the notion of protest un-american, but I detest it. We don't exist without protest, and we would be cattle without it.
I salute you gentlemen.
“Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right.
This nation was founded on one principle above all else: The requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world -- "No, YOU move.” - Captain America
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GARDENHEADsubscriberHere here! Proud of them.
Tanking is like taking a Greyhound bus cross-country. Sure, it may eventually get you where you want to go, but it’s messy and unpleasant and uncomfortable, it stinks, the entire time you’ll be wishing you weren’t there, and not everybody along for the ride is going to make it to the end. - Quote stolen from Deadspin
Vinny Finsforum_veteran"Shane Falco wrote:
Oh boy, here it comes...
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I would have kept it in one of the other threads but they were all locked after lengthy "protest is wrong" closing statements.
Sorry folks, I was 3 miles from the towers on 9/11 and got ash on me. You don't get to tell me to NEVER FORGET or what 9/11 means.
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Shane FalcoNew MemberThe only thing I want to thank Stills for is dropping the easiest TD pass in history.
I have no issue with their decision to kneel during the playing of the National Anthem. They have every right under the Constitution to express their views in a peaceful manner.
What I do have a problem with is Stills inability to catch a perfectly thrown ball with no defender within 10 yards of him and then completely disappearing from the offense for the rest of the game. If he can't play better than he did yesterday, he will have plenty of time to perfect his kneeling the rest of this season. Because his won't be seeing much of the playing field if he can't catch the ball when it is thrown to him.
FinatikmoderatorF them.
Lots of people will tell you what they think about you and what you shouldn't and should do. Not everyone's thoughts are worth consideration. Don't take criticism from anyone who you wouldn't also go to for advice.
GARDENHEADsubscriberInteresting take on the Seattle "protest" here:
http://jezebel.com/the-seattle-seahawks-said-nothing-1786503469
Tanking is like taking a Greyhound bus cross-country. Sure, it may eventually get you where you want to go, but it’s messy and unpleasant and uncomfortable, it stinks, the entire time you’ll be wishing you weren’t there, and not everybody along for the ride is going to make it to the end. - Quote stolen from Deadspin
Shane FalcoNew MemberMy problem is they are kneeling down protesting police officers doing their jobs. Yes, sometimes accidents happen, but by and large the perpetrators brought it on themselves. Every video I have seen showed a person NOT obeying police orders. It's not like police are shooting up honor students. These people had arrest records and in most cases had a weapon on or near them.
It's just because they are black. That's the only reason.
The ONLY reason.
Rocky RaccoonmoderatorAs Americans, they have the freedom to express themselves however they choose, just like others have the freedom to attack them with their misguided anger. All four stood during the 9/11 tribute, and Kenny Stills was praying during the National Anthem. Them kneeling doesn't mean they don't love the country, the military, or police officers. Personally, I think the notion that they, or anyone else who has protested, is "disrespecting" the country, the military, or those who sacrificed or lost their lives on 9/11 is ludicrous.
MonstBlitzforum_veteranI can't wait until we as fans stop pretending to care about what players do during the National Anthem.
Dorfdadforum_veteranBunch off asshats if you ask me. Was it done in a calm manner sure but yesterday wasn't about social injustice, it wasn't about black white or green lives matter, it was about showing your respect to the victims of 9/11 and HONORING the men and women who risk and gave their lives so people can protest. Having served in the Army for 4 years during Persian Gulf and Panama I find it offense for any AMERICAN to kneel or opt out of the National Anthem especially since they are making millions of dollars. If you are so upset about social injustice as they claim take some of your money and start a foundation in those communities to give back. Is there a time and a place for protesting? Hell yes and I applaud those people who do it peacefully. Yesterday wasn't the day to do it and I'm upset that these guys who represent a team I love choice to be complete *******s in my opinion on the day when we should be honoring our soldiers and the victims of 9/11.
LarryfinfansubscriberWhile the Constitution allows us the freedom of speech that they displayed, it was terribly offensive to those of us who spent any time in the military, who volunteered in the aftermath of 911 or any, any police, first responders or other public servants who have ever put their life on the line for those spoiled millionaires... There are better ways to make a statement than to disrespect our country. Go on a ride along with some of those cops you think are so biased, then tell me you think this is the right way to express your complaints...
The buddies I left in SE Asia and I have nothing but disdain for these guys...
Clark Kentforum_veteran"MonstBlitz wrote:
I can't wait until we as fans stop pretending to care about what players do during the National Anthem.
So.Much.This.
Vinny Finsforum_veteran"Shane Falco wrote:
My problem is they are kneeling down protesting police officers doing their jobs. Yes, sometimes accidents happen, but by and large the perpetrators brought it on themselves. Every video I have seen showed a person NOT obeying police orders. It's not like police are shooting up honor students. These people had arrest records and in most cases had a weapon on or near them.
It's just because they are black. That's the only reason.
The ONLY reason.
I'm curious: Have you ever been through an academy? I have.
Please read up on use of force escalation, treatment of someone once in custody and situations that justify shooting a fleeing suspect.
Then get back to me on if these are 'mistakes' or criminal negligence.
You can use my CPL and PL books if you can't find the answers on google.
The protest isn't because officers make mistakes. It's because they are covered up for or not even investigated at all.
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Fin Dforum_veteran"Larryfinfan wrote:
While the Constitution allows us the freedom of speech that they displayed, it was terribly offensive to those of us who spent any time in the military, who volunteered in the aftermath of 911 or any, any police, first responders or other public servants who have ever put their life on the line for those spoiled millionaires... There are better ways to make a statement than to disrespect our country. Go on a ride along with some of those cops you think are so biased, then tell me you think this is the right way to express your complaints...
The buddies I left in SE Asia and I have nothing but disdain for these guys...
I appreciate your service.
But that shouldn't offend you and if it does, its really on you. You should feel pride that you fought for a country where people are allowed to not stand for the anthem.
In fact, this protest has been so effective, it would be amazing if ex service members started a similar protest to get the VA fixed and to ensure 9-11 first responders get all the financial support they need for their medical issues.
Because the most disrespectful thing I can think of is the amount of vets and 9-11 FRs that are dying or suffering, while our politicians let them languish.
Vinny Finsforum_veteranI feel like, even though their protest wasn't aimed at the military leadership of this country, it should have been.
Reminder: Those who protested us invading Iraq on a false search for WMDs 15 years ago (now our longest war ever!) were called Un-American... for protesting an illegal war which would claim thousands of American lives and over a million Iraqi civillians which was began under false pretense and a lie to the American people that Iraq was aiding Al Qaeda and had weapons they didn't have.
Protesting that... and that we were lied to... and that we are still in a country we should have never been in and dying to boost some peoples portfolios at DOD... is Un-American?
Then we've lost, friends.
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FinatikmoderatorIts too bad they have no clue on what they're protesting.
I'm protesting "social injustice". What's that? What would make you now stand? What would have to change? Equality for all. What a notion. It doesn't happen in any country on this planet. It's an ideal that I would embrace whole heartedly. But it's entirely unachievable.
I'm protesting police brutality. Really? Or is it racial profiling? Which is it? Do they know? What have they done before this heartfelt emotional outpouring of "solidarity"?
It's all media driven hype. LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME I'M BUCKING THE SYSTEM. Look at me. I stand for something. Not really sure what that is but it looks and sounds like I should care.
After week 5 it's going to be so diluted. Some kneel. Some stand. Some sit. Some have a fist in the air. Some stand with their arms interlocked. And NOTHING has changed. "They brought awareness, a discussion". About what exactly. Soon they will have to become more and more extreme as the general public loses interest and the news cycle turns.
About what??? All the discussion is on what they did. Not what they did it for. Because the notion of Social injustice or even police brutality is so vague that it's unachievable. What does it look like for them to stop their protest and stand for the American flag. Something? Nothing? Everything?
That's what they need to be asked. Also where were you before? What have you done before? Why now? This is what I would call a poser. Join the "In thing" until it's not "IN" anymore.
It's cool to be a rebel. But the news cycle has just about moved on. We can only hope. Fake indignity about something that is in vogue gets old real fast. People see through it. The issues are real. But is this going to achieve anything in the end? Will anyone care after the dilution of the message, the discussion and news coverage of this?
Lots of people will tell you what they think about you and what you shouldn't and should do. Not everyone's thoughts are worth consideration. Don't take criticism from anyone who you wouldn't also go to for advice.
Fin Dforum_veteran"Finatik wrote:
Its too bad they have no clue on what they're protesting.
I'm protesting "social injustice". What's that? What would make you now stand? What would have to change? Equality for all. What a notion. It doesn't happen in any country on this planet. It's an ideal that I would embrace whole heartedly. But it's entirely unachievable.I'm protesting police brutality. Really? Or is it racial profiling? Which is it? Do they know? What have they done before this heartfelt emotional outpouring of "solidarity"?
It's all media driven hype. LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME I'M BUCKING THE SYSTEM. Look at me. I stand for something. Not really sure what that is but it looks and sounds like I should care.
After week 5 it's going to be so diluted. Some kneel. Some stand. Some sit. Some have a fist in the air. Some stand with their arms interlocked. And NOTHING has changed. "They brought awareness, a discussion". About what exactly. Soon they will have to become more and more extreme as the general public loses interest and the news cycle turns.
About what??? All the discussion is on what they did. Not what they did it for. Because the notion of Social injustice or even police brutality is so vague that it's unachievable. What does it look like for them to stop their protest and stand for the American flag. Something? Nothing? Everything?
That's what they need to be asked. Also where were you before? What have you done before? Why now? This is what I would call a poser. Join the "In thing" until it's not "IN" anymore.
It's cool to be a rebel. But the news cycle has just about moved on. We can only hope. Fake indignity about something that is in vogue gets old real fast. People see through it. The issues are real. But is this going to achieve anything in the end? Will anyone care after the dilution of the message, the discussion and news coverage of this?
Profiling leads to more brutality. Just like a match leads to fire. They are permanently intertwined.
You're basically arguing that everyone should just shut up and take it. Bad things happen, and we should never do anything to try and stop those things.
FinatikmoderatorWhat have they done to stop it? Really really done. Kneeled down? What did that do? How many people did that save. How many people did that affect? Everyone? No one? Someone?
I'm saying that they can't really articulate what they're protesting about and what would have to realistically change for them to stop protesting.
The Seachickens were issuing statements on social media all week about "look at what were going to do". It's all about headlines, hype and clicks. Not real change. If you asked any of them what their plans are to try and effect REAL change. Do you honestly think the majority of any of the "protesters" have a plan that can be articulated? When you don't, it's just being a poser. Not a change agent.
Lots of people will tell you what they think about you and what you shouldn't and should do. Not everyone's thoughts are worth consideration. Don't take criticism from anyone who you wouldn't also go to for advice.
Fin Dforum_veteran"Finatik wrote:
What have they done to stop it? Really really done. Kneeled down? What did that do? How many people did that save. How many people did that affect? Everyone? No one? Someone?
I'm saying that they can't really articulate what they're protesting about and what would have to realistically change for them to stop protesting.
The Seachickens were issuing statements on social media all week about "look at what were going to do". It's all about headlines, hype and clicks. Not real change. If you asked any of them what their plans are to try and effect REAL change. Do you honestly think the majority of any of the "protesters" have a plan that can be articulated? When you don't, it's just being a poser. Not a change agent.
WADR, I don't think you understand how protests work. Protesting as an act is not the solution to a given problem. Its about generating awareness of the problem.
Rock Sextonforum_veteran"Finatik wrote:
What have they done to stop it? Really really done. Kneeled down? What did that do? How many people did that save. How many people did that affect? Everyone? No one? Someone?
I'm saying that they can't really articulate what they're protesting about and what would have to realistically change for them to stop protesting.
The Seachickens were issuing statements on social media all week about "look at what were going to do". It's all about headlines, hype and clicks. Not real change. If you asked any of them what their plans are to try and effect REAL change. Do you honestly think the majority of any of the "protesters" have a plan that can be articulated? When you don't, it's just being a poser. Not a change agent.
That's "phony activism" for ya. With social media, there's even more now than ever.
FinatikmoderatorWhat problem? Not one of them are on the same wavelength. I hear social injustice, Racial profiling, police brutality. Which one is it? What does victory look like? Can everyone answer that? Can anyone answer that? Then what is the protest actually about?
I think you're entirely wrong. There has to be something they want out of the protest to make it meaningful. To get a discussion going? Like I said, after week 5 most people are going to be saying, "I'm so sick of this crap who cares, sit, kneel stand I'm exhausted over all of it".
Lots of people will tell you what they think about you and what you shouldn't and should do. Not everyone's thoughts are worth consideration. Don't take criticism from anyone who you wouldn't also go to for advice.
Fin Dforum_veteran"Finatik wrote:
What problem? Not one of them are on the same wavelength. I hear social injustice, Racial profiling, police brutality. Which one is it? What does victory look like? Can everyone answer that? Can anyone answer that? Then what is the protest actually about?
I think you're entirely wrong. There has to be something they want out of the protest to make it meaningful. To get a discussion going? Like I said, after week 5 most people are going to be saying, "I'm so sick of this crap who cares, sit, kneel stand I'm exhausted over all of it".
As I've already explained to you.....social injustice, racial profiling, police brutality are all intertwined. They are the same problem.
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