Ted Ginn's Contract

"GridIronKing34 wrote:

By a different regime.

Get over the draft position argument. I am pretty sure Sparano doesn't have a "X round, X overall pick" sticker on each players helmet.

Yeah the X is targeted on his (_)_) at this point.

I don't think it's smart to just cut him salary wise but he's not getting better and quite frankly I'm tired of Tedd Ginn the Wr. Use him almost solely as a return man, and put him in the game now and then and give him a go route.

"SICK wrote:

why would i get over it? i was a fan of the dolphins then. and now. i dont care about regime. iam not sparano. iam a fan....i can hate on a player all i want. dont tell me to "get over it" cause ginns your boy.

I would tell you the same about Jason Allen or any other player as well. It's not because "Ginn's my boy"...

I think that it would be tough to garner a 4th round pick for him though. I don't think it's wise to let him go until his voidable year (year 5) because as someone said... he's worth more to us than someone else at this point.

:lol: another Ginn bashing thread?

Anyone want to buy some low #'d, autographed Ted Ginn cards?

"Jeffrey wrote:

Anyone want to buy some low #'d, autographed Ted Ginn cards?

Depends what they look like. :yes:

"Stitches wrote:

Depends what they look like. :yes:

AND, how many times they've been dropped...:escape2:

If we were to cut Ginn right now we would have his salary number hit our cap next year. So we're talking about $1,035,833.

You guys are all forgetting a key point. Even Roger Goodell thinks it's likely that we will have an uncapped year in 2010, which means he wouldn't impact us at all.

Sorry VO to disagree but .............

http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?lname=ginn&player=4457

Ted Ginn's Cap for 2010 is 3*1,970,000.00 = 5,910,000.00. This is the prorated bonus money plus anything in the contract that maybe a back end bonus not paid at his signing. The salery would be added if he were cut after the start of the season. Not sure what date that is. BTW if traded we are still responsible for his guaranteed money.

BTW a voidable year is only for the players use not the teams and has nothing to do with his money. He's already been paid but it has to be shown on the books this way as you well know.

2010 being an uncapped year means that a team can spend any amount of money they want to but I don't think you'll see the owners go crazy. Ok maybe Snider or Davis but ....... surely not Tuna, its not his style.

"gafinfan wrote:

Sorry VO to disagree but .............

http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?lname=ginn&player=4457

Ted Ginn's Cap for 2010 is 3*1,970,000.00 = 5,910,000.00. This is the prorated bonus money plus anything in the contract that maybe a back end bonus not paid at his signing. The salery would be added if he were cut after the start of the season. Not sure what date that is. BTW if traded we are still responsible for his guaranteed money.

BTW a voidable year is only for the players use not the teams and has nothing to do with his money. He's already been paid but it has to be shown on the books this way as you well know.

2010 being an uncapped year means that a team can spend any amount of money they want to but I don't think you'll see the owners go crazy. Ok maybe Snider or Davis but ....... surely not Tuna, its not his style.

It's not coming out of Parcell's pocket, why the hell does he care?

Ga, you're right. I forgot about the guaranteed money that's likely part of his signing bonus. I was just looking at his base salary.

His base salaries (from NFLPA) are as follows:

2007: $285,000
2008: $370,000
2009: $677,917
2010: $1,035,833
2011: $1,393,750

In addition, based on your USA today link I think we can safely assume his signing bonus was $9,850,000. That would be prorated out over the life of the contract at a yearly rate of $1,970,000. That leaves $5,987,500 that Ted would make in either roster bonuses or other incentives.

We know (again from the link) that $3,461,347 of that has already been given out in other bonuses, leaving $2,526,153 yet unpaid.

So, if we cut Ginn today, we would be on the hook for:

$677,917 base salary
$5,910,000 signing bonuses
$2,526,153 other bonuses (may have already been paid in March as a roster bonus or something similar).

So at a minimum, the cap hit is $6,587,917 and at a maximum you're looking at $9,114,070 if we were to cut him today.

Even if we were to wait until the off season and cut him we're likely looking at a cap hit of at least $3,940,000, which would be the remainder of his guaranteed money, providing we've paid out the other bonuses already.

"Vengeful Odin wrote:

Ga, you're right. I forgot about the guaranteed money that's likely part of his signing bonus. I was just looking at his base salary.

His base salaries (from NFLPA) are as follows:

2007: $285,000
2008: $370,000
2009: $677,917
2010: $1,035,833
2011: $1,393,750

In addition, based on your USA today link I think we can safely assume his signing bonus was $9,850,000. That would be prorated out over the life of the contract at a yearly rate of $1,970,000. That leaves $5,987,500 that Ted would make in either roster bonuses or other incentives.

We know (again from the link) that $3,461,347 of that has already been given out in other bonuses, leaving $2,526,153 yet unpaid.

So, if we cut Ginn today, we would be on the hook for:

$677,917 base salary
$5,910,000 signing bonuses
$2,526,153 other bonuses (may have already been paid in March as a roster bonus or something similar).

So at a minimum, the cap hit is $6,587,917 and at a maximum you're looking at $9,114,070 if we were to cut him today.

Even if we were to wait until the off season and cut him we're likely looking at a cap hit of at least $3,940,000, which would be the remainder of his guaranteed money, providing we've paid out the other bonuses already.

Holy CRAP!!!

This kid better start making a HUGE impact in the return game is all I have to say..........

"GridIronKing34 wrote:

It's not coming out of Parcell's pocket, why the hell does he care?

Do you want to overpay for your next house or car even if its your parents money. Come on, of course he cares, all you have to do is look at the way he operates and he is still responsible for what he spends. :no::wink2:

"azfinfanmang wrote:

Holy CRAP!!!

This kid better start making a HUGE impact in the return game is all I have to say..........

You speak, and TG listens! Maybe this week you should tell him to catch the ball too. :lol:

Reading the posts in this thread make me laugh, take about Knee jerk reactions.

Put him at Corner.

"K-Train wrote:

Put him at Corner.

no...PUT HIM IN A CORNER:shifty:

"Stitches wrote:

At this point, conditional 5th is probably the best we could ask for.

I think he could be worth more by years end, and was worth more in the offseason.
He's always been worth more to this team than he would be to other teams, just because of the cast of other WRs that we have.

You want to re-think that thought right in the middle Pete? :lol:

"azfinfanmang wrote:

You want to re-think that thought right in the middle Pete? :lol:

Why would I?

He was definitely worth more this past offseason than he is now, and he could be worth more than a 5th (which is the most he could possibly be worth right now) by the end of the year.

I don't see how anything has changed to alter what I said.

I would be far more concerned with the money we are paying our offensive line. We are getting average production for elite pay. if there is a salry black hole that's where it is. Other than Jake Grove, I'm not sure any lineman is playing up to his contract hit

"azfinfanmang wrote:

He isn't worth a dam as a returner either.
He can't block, he can't tackle, he can't catch.

He has become a liability (.)

Time to sever the tie and try something different

can we just play with 10 men on the field and save ourselves the future mistakes? Sometimes less is more, no? :dunno:

"ToddsPhins wrote:

can we just play with 10 men on the field and save ourselves the future mistakes? Sometimes less is more, no? :dunno:

Right because he totally proved last game that he shouldn't be out there. All those mistakes he made like 3rd down conversions and good field position on KRs definitely weren't useful.

he sure isnt worth a damn at returning, thats for sure.............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

"Stitches wrote:

Right because he totally proved last game that he shouldn't be out there. All those mistakes he made like 3rd down conversions and good field position on KRs definitely weren't useful.

7 catches for 54 yards with 0 TDs in the past 5 games doesn't really spark a fire and scream reliability either. Just sayin. :tongue2:

I wish they could fine him 100K every time he runs out of bounds and gives up on a return when a cut inside or hell just falling forward could get a few more yards.

Ted Ginn is the new Ronnie Brown. No matter what he does, there will always be people hating on him.