Ted Ginn's Contract
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GARDENHEADsubscriberOPTed Ginn is slated to be a Dolphin through 2012. Here are the details:
7/27/2007: Signed a five-year, $19.6 million contract. The deal includes $14 million guaranteed. 2009: $677,917, 2010: $1,035,833, 2011: $1,393,750, 2012: $1,801,667 (Voidable Year), 2013: Free Agent
I assume the voidable year means Ted has the ability to void the contract.
Link: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NfL&id=4168
Any salary cap geniuses out there know what kind of salary cap hit we'd take if we were to cut him. Seems like he's hurting us more than he helps us. I'm not advocating him getting cut. Rather, I think the debate is valid and I'd like more information.
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No way he should be cut. He is a valuable asset to the team.
Which team?
anlgpNew Membernot a cap expert, but i believe we'd have to give him what we haven't in guaranteed money.
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Stitchesluxury_boxTed is underperforming without a doubt, but all the WRs (aside from Hartline) are. We need upgrades across the board in that corp. Get a solid #1 prospect (Hartline can work #2, or if Turner comes around), get an explosive slot WR, and keep Ginn for returns and the #4/5 spot if you must. Cutting him solves nothing IMO.
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22. Zach Cunningham, LB, Vandy
54. Desmond King, S/DB, Iowa
97. Demarcus Walker, DE, FSU
166. Jermaine Eluemunor, OL, TAMU
178. George Kittle, TE, Iowa
184. Charles Walker, DT, Oklahoma
223. Aviante Collins, OL, TCU
azfinfanmangluxury_box"Stitches wrote:
Ted is underperforming without a doubt, but all the WRs (aside from Hartline) are. We need upgrades across the board in that corp. Get a solid #1 prospect (Hartline can work #2, or if Turner comes around), get an explosive slot WR, and keep Ginn for returns and the #4/5 spot if you must. Cutting him solves nothing IMO.
He isn't worth a dam as a returner either.
He can't block, he can't tackle, he can't catch.
He has become a liability (.)
Time to sever the tie and try something different
Stitchesluxury_box"azfinfanmang wrote:
He isn't worth a dam as a returner either.
He can't block, he can't tackle, he can't catch.He has become a liability (.)
Time to sever the tie and try something different
He actually did pretty good on returns yesterday.
And he did make a tackle, forcing a fumble yesterday (though it wasn't overturned).
He can't block well, not that he can't block.
He isn't catching well, but he can catch (hence 2 for 16 yards).
Whether he is a liability is debatable. He is not the answer at #1 for sure, I wouldn't say that.
I have no problem trying something different, not sure how much more we can do this year though.
2017 Dream Draft (3/17 – NFLDraftScout ~ Rankings used)
22. Zach Cunningham, LB, Vandy
54. Desmond King, S/DB, Iowa
97. Demarcus Walker, DE, FSU
166. Jermaine Eluemunor, OL, TAMU
178. George Kittle, TE, Iowa
184. Charles Walker, DT, Oklahoma
223. Aviante Collins, OL, TCU
JeffreyNew MemberRip up the contract. It's over.
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azfinfanmangluxury_boxWhat exactly is good on returns?
He basically had 4 for 100 yards.
Is that good by standards? I say stick Sheets in there, at least he won't look to run out of bounds.
He can't block to save his life.
By tackling, I am of course suggesting special teams. In that scenario, he doesn't stand a chance.
He simply drops more than he catches.
I know we probably can't do anything about it at this point, but after yesterday, do you think Henne is going to want to go to him when the game is on the line?
I don't think Ginn wants Henne to go to him when the game is on the line.
Stitchesluxury_box"azfinfanmang wrote:
What exactly is good on returns?
He basically had 4 for 100 yards.
Is that good by standards? I say stick Sheets in there, at least he won't look to run out of bounds.
He can't block to save his life.
By tackling, I am of course suggesting special teams. In that scenario, he doesn't stand a chance.
He simply drops more than he catches.I know we probably can't do anything about it at this point, but after yesterday, do you think Henne is going to want to go to him when the game is on the line?
I don't think Ginn wants Henne to go to him when the game is on the line.
Good is 25 yards a return. That average would put him at 15th in the NFL (he's 19th right now, his average in the NO game would be good enough for 12th though), and was considerably better than what we have had back there.
I am pretty confident that if he ran to the middle like so many want to see apparently, that he wouldn't have even averaged 25 yards. They were directional kicking for a reason.
2017 Dream Draft (3/17 – NFLDraftScout ~ Rankings used)
22. Zach Cunningham, LB, Vandy
54. Desmond King, S/DB, Iowa
97. Demarcus Walker, DE, FSU
166. Jermaine Eluemunor, OL, TAMU
178. George Kittle, TE, Iowa
184. Charles Walker, DT, Oklahoma
223. Aviante Collins, OL, TCU
GridIronKing34forum_veteranCutting him would be flat out dumb. He's not a liability to this team. He'll be here this year and next year, I have little doubt about that.
GARDENHEADsubscriberThere are many threads debating whether or not Ginn is a liability and should be cut. This is not that thread.
The purpose of this thread is to understand the salary cap ramifications of cutting Ginn. Let's keep it to that, please.
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azfinfanmangluxury_box"Stitches wrote:
Good is 25 yards a return. That average would put him at 15th in the NFL (he's 19th right now), and was considerably better than what we have had back there.
I am pretty confident that if he ran to the middle like so many want to see apparently, that he wouldn't have even averaged 25 yards. They were directional kicking for a reason.
Outstanding.
He is somewhere between 19th and 15th?
That almost has him in the better 1/2 in the league. :pity:
I feel MUCH better now :up:
JeffreyNew MemberI wasn't saying that we should flat out cut him. That's obviously not going to happen. Let's see if he can make some plays down the stretch and hopefully we might be able to make a trade or get some type of value for him. I wanted him to remain a Dolphin before but now I'm starting to change my mind.
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gunn34New Member"azfinfanmang wrote:
What exactly is good on returns?
He basically had 4 for 100 yards.
Is that good by standards? I say stick Sheets in there, at least he won't look to run out of bounds.
He can't block to save his life.
By tackling, I am of course suggesting special teams. In that scenario, he doesn't stand a chance.
He simply drops more than he catches.I know we probably can't do anything about it at this point, but after yesterday, do you think Henne is going to want to go to him when the game is on the line?
I don't think Ginn wants Henne to go to him when the game is on the line.
I agree! He's scared.
"Jeffrey wrote:
I wasn't saying that we should flat out cut him. That's obviously not going to happen. Let's see if he can make some plays down the stretch and hopefully we might be able to make a trade or get some type of value for him. I wanted him to remain a Dolphin before but now I'm starting to change my mind.
Other teams know what we know. He plays scared. Why would they waste a draft pick on him. Cam isn't a GM.
GridIronKing34forum_veteran"azfinfanmang wrote:
Outstanding.
He is somewhere between 19th and 15th?
That almost has him in the better 1/2 in the league. :pity:I feel MUCH better now :up:
Keep in mind that his average is slowed down by the pitiful blocking in the first week. Even Cobbs was getting taken down before the 20.
I think it says a lot about Ginn when the Saints were directionally kicking and even booting it deep in the endzone.
GridIronKing34forum_veteran"gunn34 wrote:
Other teams know what we know. He plays scared. Why would they waste a draft pick on him. Cam isn't a GM.
I think there were some teams who called and asked about Ginn before the trade deadline. So I doubt "no one would waste a draft pick" on Ted Ginn Jr.
SICKforum_veteran"azfinfanmang wrote:
Outstanding.
He is somewhere between 19th and 15th?
That almost has him in the better 1/2 in the league. :pity:I feel MUCH better now :up:
considering he was drafted 3 yrs ago 9th overall to ALSO be a return specialist......it hurts even more.
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GridIronKing34forum_veteran"SICK wrote:
considering he was drafted 3 yrs ago 9th overall to ALSO be a return specialist......it hurts even more.
By a different regime.
Get over the draft position argument. I am pretty sure Sparano doesn't have a "X round, X overall pick" sticker on each players helmet.
SICKforum_veteran"GridIronKing34 wrote:
By a different regime.
Get over the draft position argument. I am pretty sure Sparano doesn't have a "X round, X overall pick" sticker on each players helmet.
why would i get over it? i was a fan of the dolphins then. and now. i dont care about regime. iam not sparano. iam a fan....i can hate on a player all i want. dont tell me to "get over it" cause ginns your boy.
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jetssuckNew Member"GridIronKing34 wrote:
I think there were some teams who called and asked about Ginn before the trade deadline. So I doubt "no one would waste a draft pick" on Ted Ginn Jr.
Curious to know what you think he's worth, what you think we could legitimately ask for?
JS
Stitchesluxury_box"jetssuck wrote:
Curious to know what you think he's worth, what you think we could legitimately ask for?
At this point, conditional 5th is probably the best we could ask for.
I think he could be worth more by years end, and was worth more in the offseason.
He's always been worth more to this team than he would be to other teams, just because of the cast of other WRs that we have.
2017 Dream Draft (3/17 – NFLDraftScout ~ Rankings used)
22. Zach Cunningham, LB, Vandy
54. Desmond King, S/DB, Iowa
97. Demarcus Walker, DE, FSU
166. Jermaine Eluemunor, OL, TAMU
178. George Kittle, TE, Iowa
184. Charles Walker, DT, Oklahoma
223. Aviante Collins, OL, TCU
jetssuckNew Member"Stitches wrote:
At this point, conditional 5th is probably the best we could ask for.
I think he could be worth more by years end, and was worth more in the offseason.
He's always been worth more to this team than he would be to other teams, just because of the cast of other WRs that we have.
I was gonna say a 5th myself
Hard to believe there are still people that don't think we need an upgrade at WR....our number one might be worth a 5th rounder.
JS
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