Ted Ginn doing everything he can to become great

And lose that world class speed?

 

what the hell do you think ted does in teh off-season? eat bon-bons? he put on a little bit of weight last off-season and presumably will do so again this off-season. he isn;t ever going to be a big hulking chunk of muscle, he just isn't built that way.

 

I know he works out and he did seem to put on a few lbs earlier this year. But watching the Baltimore game, he looked as skinny as ever. Obviously he's not built to be a monster but come on, he can def add some muscle to the next to nothing he has.

Whats the point of having world class speed if you aren't a return man and get pushed around off the line?

 

some people just have issues gaining muscle mass i think he knows he needs to gain weight is is probably on some sort of program to add some. When Jt first came in with the phins i remember they put him on a special diet to gain weight and he didn't gain anything.

 

How can defenders push around when they give Ginn 7 yards of cushion? Only the great CB's blanket Ginn and even then its a risk.

 

I hope they do and he sticks with it. I think it would be a huge benefit for him to gain some mass and strength.

 

How buff is Marvin Harrison?

Just saying...

 

according to NFl.com Harrison weighs 5 lbs more than ginn and is an inch taller

 

Ok so there was one WR close to his size that used to be successful.

 

Torry Holt isn't that big. Fact of the matter is, he's played two years and hasn't gotten injured. He did hurt his shoulder but came back. He's returned kicks and punts, and isn't dead.

he has world class speed, he could improve some burst, but don't take that away from him.

 

I duno man I think getting stronger would help him win physical battles more than his speed would.

In other words, sacrificing a little speed might be worth it to help him overall.

 

Ginn will never win those battles. he's too weak. Therefore sacrificing speed, IMO, to try to win something he wont, is wasteful.

if he can, without sacrificing speed, go for it.

 

I agree. You can tell when someone hits the gym for 6 months. People told me that over christmas holidays. Ted is skinny. We drafted the "Ginn Family" to be a deep threat receiver, and to be a wicked return man. Well he isn't a wicked return man at all. Cobbs is better actually. And a deep threat receiver he is, that is for sure. But happens to be we have a qb who doesn't have the arm to hit his deep routes. His deep routes are more just gimmicks for other plays it seems to me. What we really need, is a 6-4 Fitzgerald type. Thats the receiver this team needs. We are set at the other receiver spots.

 

Also, living here in Scottsdale and being in the Cardinals area...Boldin wants out of AZ (per local radio). Guy is just playing out his contract supposedly. I know he has injury concerns, but he is a beast of a receiver. Huge receiver which is what this team needs. I am a fitz fan, but bolden wouldn't sacrifice much, as long as he stays somewhat healthy. Boldin and Ginn...that is dynamic. Bash and dash

 

FA = asomugha and boldin.

that is all....

 

Of course his limitations hurt Ginn more than the other two. His game is to go deep and Pennington's isn't.

I'm not calling Ginn a bust here.

Most of us go by that.

The difference between him and Ginn is that he runs GREAT routes. Same goes for Torry Holt.

 

Nice write up Alen1.....

 

If ginn isnt in the weight room in about two weeks with a professional trainer doing heavy lifting and extreme plyometrics then he isnt doing what he should be doing.

Ginn is gonna be the player we want him to be..hes only 23 years old.

 

The real question is, is with a 4th reciever does Miami really need Bess and Cam?

 

And the difference between Ginn and them is that Ginn is faster. And can still learn routes. Harrison and Holt never got faster.

 

Neither is Ted Ginn.

calphin has a strong point.

Bess & Camarillo have shown much more, why not try a packaged trade, with Ginn included, to get a taller, better receiver, a true #1 target with height AND speed, or at least the ability to escape tackles and make plays?

That being said, not many are out there.

 

Bess and Camarillo have also shown that when on the field at the same time nothing really happens. They are the same "type" of player.

The offense would be better with Ginn, Bess/Camarillo and a bigger taller good reciever than it would with Bess, Camarillo and a bigger taller good reciever.

 

great read on teddy. His value keeps going up in my opinion. THis season was better than last, and next year will be better than this one.

In terms of the trading/expendable guy out of bess, cammarillo and ginn, they are all different all valuable but what we are missing is a BIG reciever. Tall, big can go intermediate, deep, middle of the field or sideline with great hands. A fitz, moss, andre johnson type. I think we land a receiver of that nature all three of our supporting recievers could be used and would be even better as they all would be given more space.

We don't have any one WR who draws the best corner and the safety on most plays, that in itself is hindering all three of our guys. A wr with david martin's size who can play wideout would help our core tremendously in my opinion, and i know parcells, he'll be looking for one, either through FA or draft and if the guy he gets fits in well here, look out for our passing game in the near future.

 

He had 3 less total yards from LOS than your #1 receiver

 

Ginn is faster now because Holt and Harrison have aged. Harrison ran a 4.38 forty coming out and Ted Ginn ran a 4.38 in a private workout prior to the draft.

 

In hurricane weather, with an ankle sprain. He is faster than 4.38.

 

True that, forgot about the ankle sprain.

 

Well I embellished about the weather, it was rainy though. Some scouts wondered why Ted Ginn was even allowed to run, he was slipping and falling.

 

2 nice things about our receiving core:

1) After years of teases, we finally had a player that transcended being a training camp wonder and actually come thru for us during the regular season (Bess)

2) Our 3 main guys all improved their games this year. Hopefully none of them have reached their ceiling.

How long has it been since we could say either of those 2 things?

 

Yeah, I remember now. It was very sloppy because of the rain.

 

i would say that it hurts himmin the sense that plays where he would normally take it to the house, he has to slow down to get to the ball. Now i think in the long term playing with pennington will significantly help ginn's overall game by forcing him to learn how to run routes he might not normally run with a more strong armed QB.

 

i think Ginn is the victim of high expectations. Every time he makes a play, he is expected to do it so he doesn't neccasarily get the same credit Bess or Cam would get since anything they did wasn't really expected of them. and when Ginn makes a mistake he is critisized more heavily than the other 2 because of the expectations.

 

i know you aren't. A lot of people DO though. I am sure if i were to go to finheaven there would be 5 threads on how much a bust Ginn is and how he should be cut and will never be more than a #4 receiver in the league.

i was just drawing a parallel with a receiver who his 1st 2 years in the league played significantly worse than Ginn and then his 3rd and 4th year became a big time play maker.

 

I am sorry but I am going to respectfully disagree here on Ginn's invaluable attributes to this team.

I remember people claiming all guys like Alabi and Wade Smith needed was 'time' and that they showed big things among other players.

I am telling you now just like I told you guys back then, Ted Ginn is not going to be around much longer.

Might not happen today, or maybe even this offseason due to the huge rookie deal he signed. It also doesn't help if we can't aquire at least 2 proven receivers (if your looking to see him shipped off).

I remember also saying that Roth would be better at OLB, because if not he's gone...and people here just blew it off...

Just like that, I am telling you that this kid is on the rocks right now and he will be shopped around...whether anyone bites is anyone's guess.

He just doesn't fit the mold the Trifecta looks for.

He's basically shown up 'til now that he's Randall Hill....only that he's really afraid to take a hit.

Now, just like Roth's only chance was to become an OLB...Ginn's only shot is to come back (if he's still here after the draft) during that first mini camp walking the walk, not just talking the talk. Get a true heart and some balls. Run across that middle and stretch yourself out even though you know that the FS is closing in to take your head off. Turn into a defender if you see the ball is going to be intercepted and not just let the dude INT it. Get that punt, even though you've got defenders screaming down field towards you (ala BESS), and return that thing.

All he's done since he's been here is talk the talk. But when it comes gametime, he has rarely shown his skills. Oh yeah, he's got skills. He's shown them from time to time. But if he doesn't stop playing football like a croquet player he wont be on this team much longer. If he does stay it'll be as a backup. If he needs to talk to anyone, its Ronnie Brown (who IMO has taken it to another level in toughness and I am really proud to say that), Bess (showed toughness and heart all year long) and Camarillo (I dont even need to give examples about this guys toughness) who have truely shown that they know how to be true football players.

In the end, he might not be a true bust as he might yet turn out to be a late bloomer ala say...Tony Martin.

But this is it for him. If he doesn't wake up this year...heck this off season... and during pre-season...it doesnt look good for him here.

 

As far as yardage and playmaking ability i feel like ginn broke out this year and got his name out as more of a positive name. On the other hand he has yet to break out as a scoring threat and i feel like he could do that more next year. If he doesnt score at LEAST 4-5 Td's recieving and gain at LEAST 600-700 yards recieving ill be very dissapointed in him.

 

I never said Laveranues or Jerricho were #1 receivers. They are both #2 guys.

 

I argued this last season that Ginn was nothing but "The Great Hype" and I was bashed day after day about it, hearing about how great The Great Ginn would be in 2008 and beyond.

Did he improve? Yes he did.

Did he have one game that was 93 more yards than his 2nd best game that floated up his numbers a bit? Yes he did.

That 7 catch, 175 yard game against Buffalo made his season look better than what it really was.

I still don't see him as anything more than a #2 or 3 when all is said and done. He has talent, but not #1 talent.