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Tannehill's Ability to Elevate (w/o him, we'd be the Browns)

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  1. Fin D

    Fin D Derp Sherpa Club Member

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    I don't know that I've disliked a Dolphin player more than I disliked Hartline. Beaver faced douche canoe.
     
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  2. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    Cardinals, Tannehills rookie year I believe
     
  3. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I always liked him because of his hands- we didn't have too many that could catch consistently back then (was it Camarillo we traded that never dropped a pass in the slot?). He was extremely limited though in every aspect of his game.
     
  4. Fin D

    Fin D Derp Sherpa Club Member

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    His hands were over rated. Everything about him was over rated. Plus he had one of the more punchable faces on the planet.
     
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  5. Fin D

    Fin D Derp Sherpa Club Member

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    His "great" year, he had 1 TD that year. ONE.
     
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  6. resnor

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    I love Memory Lane...

    Remember arguing with that guy who claimed that Hartline/Bess was as good or better a combo than White/Jones??
     
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  7. Fin D

    Fin D Derp Sherpa Club Member

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    Was it shouright?
     
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  8. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa Club Member

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    Yeah, that was him...that name, or one of his other screennames.
     
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  9. Fin D

    Fin D Derp Sherpa Club Member

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    Why is it all the worst posters have numerous alts?
     
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  10. Aqua4Ever04

    Aqua4Ever04 Write Travis Write Club Member

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    2 games into 2013 - we've dropped 8 balls and allowed 9 sacks. 3 of them were on Tannehill, but there were 3 straight plays in the Indy game where he's hit before the precious 2.5 second mark. Clabo and Martin were the tackles - it's a wonder how he survived as long as he did

    To be fair, he was dreadful in that Cleveland opener. Threw one bad pick and it was off the rails from there. There was a real sense of a forced connection with Mike Wallace. Everyone else seemed to be in sync with him, just not Wallace.

    But as bad as he was in that Cleveland game, he was equally good in the Indy game. Like really, really ****ing good.


    What's most maddening, is just how Philbin never got it. I'm fresh off the 2012 season and it's CLEAR AS DAY that Tannehill is best on the move and in play action. Game one, 2013: 5 play action calls, just ONE throw from outside the pocket.

    I would've fired him then and there. He just didn't get it.
     
  11. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree I drink your milkshake! Club Member

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    Because they are the worst.
     
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  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree I drink your milkshake! Club Member

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    What annoyed me during that time was I argued with a lot of people that Tannehill should do more roll out passes.

    People will then tell me that they hate those passes because they cut off half the field.

    Then they would sing the praises of Russell Wilson who lead the league in those type of passes.

    Carroll did a great job of putting Wilson in a situation where he could succeed.

    Philbin did not. He would have killed Wilson's career, Carr should be thanking his lucky stars as his career would have been ruined, in fact if Miami had the first round pick that year we all would be talking about Andrew Suck. Philbin would have ruined Farve and turned Manning into Leaf.
     
  13. dolphin25

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    Wilson was not designed roll out, he was escaping pressure.
     
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  14. danmarino

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    I initially stuck up for Dirty. I thought he was funny and didn't mind the tons of threads he would create. However, he didn start to get really screwy and far out there after awhile.

    As for FinsFanDan....he was a fake account. I don't know that for certain, but he was a trolling weirdo who made little sense 99% of the time and I'm glad he's gone.
     
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  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That is false. Wilson had many designed roll outs.
     
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  16. Fin-O

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    You mean, the new offensive coordinator for the GB Packers, Joe Philbin!?

    How the hell did he pull that off, really.

    He has never shown (that I've seen) any real knowledge of how an offense should function. We all know McCarthy call's the play's, I have no idea why they would ever give that dude that position. Maybe he is good at talking to Arod about non football things that calm him down? Any guess is a good one.

    But to your point, I see no reason he would ever have the fore site to recognize something then execute it.
     
  17. P h i N s A N i T y

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    2013 My uncle got hotel & tickets to the game in Tampa. Bullygate happens a week before, but turns out he's in the same Hotel as the team. He said players were at the bar, Hartline was the coolest one.

    Don't forget he took a leadership role when Martin walked and Richie got booted. He also

     
  18. P h i N s A N i T y

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    Tannline wasn't so bad. He helped Ryan build consistency, the contract sucked but Wallace more than overshadows it. Good thing Landry came in, out hustled them.
     
  19. Fin D

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    Hartline was awful. He gimped the offense. He gimped the season. He was easily the worst #1 WR in the league.
     
  20. P h i N s A N i T y

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    I don't think he ever was intended to be a number one. We failed to replace Marshall. He became our best Wr by default, then we paid Wallace, who really was the worst #1. Even when we paid Harty it wasn't #1 $
     
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  21. Fin D

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    I would take Wallace all day everyday over Hartline. Without hesitation and for more money too.

    1 TD. Awful YAC. Can run only 2 routes. Led the league in falling down.

    He is to WRs what Wannidiot is to GMs.
     
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    I obviously wasn't talking about his play on the field, aside from consistency. We can all agree Probably the most frustrating to watch in team history between him and Wallace.
     
  23. Aqua4Ever04

    Aqua4Ever04 Write Travis Write Club Member

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    Dude. ****ing mind boggling.

    The NFL is so scared of new blood, they will cycle failures for familiarity before trying something different.
     
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  24. Aqua4Ever04

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    I like Brian Hartline. He just wasn't very good at football. He made his money running comebacks against off-coverage for 10 yards a pop. He was Greg Camarillo reincarnated.
     
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  25. Aqua4Ever04

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    Pull up any game and compare Tannehill's efficiency from inside the pocket compared to outside - and on play pass vs. not.

    It's night and day.
     
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    I just figured ImOffMyMeds was taken on both sites.
     
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  27. Aqua4Ever04

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    The more I dive into this project, the more I notice things that work and things that don't. Consider it self-scouting. I imagine this is what Gase did when he first got here. Let's watch every throw the QB made, and let's call more plays from the ones he was successful with.

    It's so god damn clear that this guy is not just good, but an EXCELLENT, perhaps the very best in football, throwing from play action.

    In addition, he really utilized Charles Clay and Dion Sims up the seam extremely well. This was a big part of our red zone attack, as well as picking up chunk plays between the 20's. He throws an exceptional ball between that S/LB bracket up the hash (or up the #s when its a WR split). He can put the ball right up top of the LBs head and give his guy a chance to make a play. He throws Clay open every other week on these routes it seems like.


    Those tiered reads where the field is cut in half with a flat option, intermediate option and deep option is so damn efficient. This type of play:



    This is a basic example, but it's redundant. Our success rate is so high. And even when you want to keep him in the pocket, the play-action game that displaces the LBs even slightly has such a profound impact. It puts his feet in a good position. I don't know, but he seems to play in better rhythm from PA. The footwork, the top of the drop to the climb, everything looks cleaner.

    I'm glad we have Adam Gase. I trust him to make these types of observations. Philbin never did. But Gase does, and we saw that in 2016.
     
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  28. Fin-O

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    I’d say the first year for sure.

    But the second year Wallace had double digit TD’S and Ryan had a 121 rating when targeting him.

    Their connection was good and was going to get better, but Philbin.
     
  29. Fin-O

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    Oh yea.

    After jettisoning the WR he had that 121 rating throwing too, they also let a very solid TE walk in Clay
     
  30. jdang307

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    You hate him more than I do, I thought he was okay. He's a good 3rd/4th WR. He was not a #1. Ever.

    Wallace, to his credit, improved his game year 2 in Miami. It was a godawful mismatch year 1. It takes time to line up timing with fast WRs (look at Stills his first year here). Unless you're a Big Ben etc. I was a fan of Wallace, but not a fan of signing him.

    I tend to think WRs are overrated and overpaid anyway. I'd rather have 3-4 Rishard Matthews, Golden Tates, etc. 80-90% of the performance, for 50-60% of the pay.
     
  31. Aqua4Ever04

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    Clay should've been married to Tannehill. I know it was a tricky situation, but we should've prevented him from getting to that point. That type of player is EXACTLY what Tannehill needs.
     
  32. Fin D

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    Wallace was in the wrong offense, plain and simple.

    The big problem is that Ireland misjudged the WR market in 2012 an we lost out on Vincent Jackson. I have no doubt VJ as the #1 over Hartline and we'd have had a winning record.
     
  33. Fin-O

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    Agreed.

    I said it then, and surprised it isn’t more of a taking point.

    You took away his two best targets in the same offseason? Great way to help a QB develop.

    Landry is a good example of someone imo, who needs to stay for that reason alone. If it were another QB than Ryan?? I wouldn’t be as excited to pay that premium.
     
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  34. Aqua4Ever04

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    And then rolled with Jonathan Martin and Tyson Clabo as his starting tackles. Brilliant.
     
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  35. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I thought he was better than Camarillo. He was a fine wide receiver. Highly over paid, but that wasn't his fault.
     
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  36. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    And he started Daryn College when a lamp post would have been better.
     
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  37. djphinfan

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    Shoright was a great poster imo, just misunderstood by many..
     
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  38. Fin-O

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    Couldn't agree more. I see things he struggled with as a poster happen daily.

    Disappointed in that one for sure.
     
  39. resnor

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    Hartline/Bess as good or better than White/Jones...
     
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    Travis, I just want to say excellent work. I'm not sure that I'm seeing the glass as full as you see it, but I do think if we roll with Tannehill, we'll be just fine. It's just nice for once to see someone actually look at guy without bias and try to analyze him for what he is.

    You really don't draft a qb and say he's the face of the franchise and then put him behind a line like this.
     
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