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Talent is There, But Do We Have Killer Instinct?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dirtylandry, Jul 18, 2017.

  1. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    I have been reading a lot of these preseason predictions, and no doubt, do the prognosticators recognize the talent overhaul the last few seasons. However, I know it is easy based on prior years to predict Miami will be mediocre again, and even more surprised that these prognosticators do not think we can build on last year's success. So I am left wondering, it can't be a lack of talent right? Because as a whole, we make up for the positions or units we may lack. So what is it?

    I have to think it is killer instinct. It is the "IT" factor. Frankly, I don't know if we have it. I don't know if Tannehill has the ice water in his veins to put the game away when given the opportunity, or the offensive line with the key block late in a game to continue a drive, or the pass rush needed to put a team out of field goal range late or worse yet, stopping the run on third and short. I know Gase is trying to instill this in them. But I don't know if this is player-related, coach-aided (by calling certain plays) or do we lack this toughness on the roster.

    I need to see a cockiness or brashness to know we have turned the corner from a fluffy team to a rugged/beat you down in the 4th quarter team. I also need it to be complimented with play calling on both sides. I don't know if we can recognize this at camp next week. However, someone or something has to turn this culture around. Jarvis and Suh are sick of losing to the Pats. But talent alone won't beat them. Someone has to suck the wind out of them, early or late in a game to make a statement. It has to be a back-breaking play, a block, or a gutsy call.

    Camp is next week, and I have never anticipated a season like this in some 20 years. The talent in house maybe the best overall talent we ever have for this era. Next year you never know what you lose or gain with free agency. I also have been searching as to why we haven't signed Jarvis. And I have concluded that I think Miami wants to make him earn it even more, and if that means more money next year because of a phenomenal year, that's a gamble they want to take. A hungry Jarvis, combined with the offseason and injured players back is the exact formula I think this front office wants. I think it is all a formula and Jarvis (X) plus all the additions (Y) and coaching (Z), is the formulation they feel puts them in the best position to win. It sounds selfish and insane, but I think they believe they get more out X+Y+Z than if they tinkered with any variable.

    But what do I know?
     
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  2. Phins_to_Win

    Phins_to_Win Well-Known Member

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    I honestly don't think a lot of the "experts" do a deep dive on teams. Miami is stacking up nicely to be the dark horse for the season, but that really wouldn't be a surprise to most of us.

    We won a lot of games off pure grit last year. The counter to that is that some of those games shouldn't have come down to the last minutes. But you have to learn to walk before you run. Confidence is a beautiful thing, and IF we start out strong our entire team is going to be busting at the seams with confidence.

    With this roster, if we believe we can hang with any team, then I think we can, and that's dangerous for the team on the other side of the field.
     
  3. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    Well, there's no way to know whether we're going to put teams away until we start doing it. We were notoriously bad at this under previous coaches, but I truly believe that we have a much better coach in Gase now, and that he has a much better offensive mind and feel for the game than anyone we've had in ages. Wanny took teams that should have earned first round byes and had them playing in the wildcard round or missing the playoffs alltogether. Sparano and Philbin took teams that should have made it into the playoffs, and instead finished at .500 or worse. A lot of that was a failure to hang onto games that they should have won, and IMO, the psychological burnout that also came with a lot of other close wins that should have been much easier.
     
  4. rafael

    rafael Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    IMO "IT" is an overrated term. Most people seem to use it as a catch-all for 'they won, but I don't know enough about football to say why'. Or if they don't believe in the team then "IT" changes to "LUCK". Most of the people predicting Miami to do poorly this season focus on or at least cite how Miami won many close games. Since they don't believe in the team then it must be "LUCK". If you do believe in the team then you'd look at the same result and say that this team really showed that killer instinct when the game was on the line. In reality what happened was the team was doing enough consistently well and avoiding those stupid mistakes most teams make. NE is the best right now b/c of how consistently good and mistake free they play across the board. The simplistic analysis is that it's all about Brady, but in reality it's the whole team. Brady is a great QB but he had some poor outings last year. The team still won though b/c of how well they played outside of him. And nobody notices b/c of the wins. Even the stats don't reflect it fully b/c most QB stats are heavily influenced by the team play and are really offensive stats. You could say they same about Rodgers, who I might argue is the best QB ever, but he was inconsistent last year as well. In fact, from about game 6 till the injury Tannehill played better than either of those all-time greats. But the poor analysts will still claim that Tannehill could never play on that level or be as good.
     
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  5. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    "It"? "IT"? Allow me to answer that question.

    2016 Miami Dolphins...

    Start off 0-2, losing two relative close ones against Seattle (14-12) and New England (31-24), win the following week against Cleveland in overtime, only to get blown out the two following games against Cincinnati and Tennessee. The Miami Dolphins are now 1-5 and everyone has written the Dolphins off for the remainder of the season, to include MANY here, so what do we do?

    We find "it" and win 6 in a row...and go 9-2 following the debacle against the Titans in October...to include winning 2 of our last 3 with Tannehill out due to injury. In fact I'm willing to go THIS far. Had Tannehill not been injured, the final game against the Patriots would have been much closer than it was (whether or not we would have won is a different matter all together) and the Miami Dolphins would have been the team that NO ONE would have wanted to play. We were THAT hot!! Everyone pulled together and played with an aggression I hadn't seen in years!

    If that's not "it", I dont know what is!
     
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  6. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    We got annihilated against Balt and NE. We lacked the "IT" against better teams


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  7. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Did we not pack the "it" those games?
     
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  8. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    I was told to ignore you.


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  9. Ohio Fanatic

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    I think our offense develops that killer instinct. The defense isn't there yet. they will have some moments, but I think they are a year away.
     
  10. jdang307

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    We really need to stop comparing Brady and Rodgers and Tannehill. It's unfair to Tanny. Brady had one, maybe two "poor" outings all year (Denver, Seattle), in terms of hurting his team. The rest of the year he was in the 100's and 2/0, 3/0, 4/0 TD/INT games. They weren't all stellar, some mediocre, but I do wonder about "poor."

    Let's start with great but not HOF QBs for Tanny to compare too. Can he take a Ryan leap. Sure, but Ryan isn't like last year every year.

    RT may be top 10 in this league next year. Brady and Rodgers may be top 2 all time. If he takes a leap to Philip Rivers, Tony Romo etc, then we're talking.
     
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  11. Bpk

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    Clearly you haven't heeded the advice. lol.
     
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  12. rafael

    rafael Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm only going to say this once so the thread isn't derailed and then I won't reply on this topic in this thread again. Tannehill last year from the 6th game through his injury played at a top 5 level. He doesn't need to up his play to reach top 10. He's already above that. I know that you and many can't see it. I know that you are blinded by wins and offensive stats that you think are only QB stats. I watched every pass that Tannehill and Brady and Rodgers threw last season and he was passing on their level already. I'm not just talking about stats b/c those are affected by other players. I'm saying that watching every pass and seeing when the passes were missed by the QB or dropped by the receiver or when the QB was saved by a defensive drop, etc., that Tannehill played at the level of two of the greatest QBs ever. Now admittedly those guys did not play at their best last year. They have played better. But at this point it is not some taboo to mention Tannehill at that level b/c that's the level he played at.
     
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  13. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    And that doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot. Anybody can beat anybody on any given Sunday.

    Did we lose and lose badly to Baltimore? Sure we did but this "better" team lost to teams the likes of the Redskins, Jets and the Bengals. This "better" team lost to 3 bad teams.

    Did we lose and lose badly to New England? Sure we did but this "better" team was BLOWN AWAY by the SCRUB Bills, lost to the Seahawks.

    So what does that mean? Nothing either. Nothing either, that's why you play the game.

    And just a bit of a footnote on the loss to Baltimore...we had just won 6 in a row. Did anyone realistically think we were going to win 7 in a row? 8 in a row? 9 in a row? 10 in a row? 11 in a row? We were going to lose at some point and seeing how upsets happen all of the time in the NFL, losing to Baltimore, badly or not, after a 6 game winning streak means nothing to me.
     
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  14. Rickysabeast

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    I dig your post jack. I wholeheartedly agree. I want to see some freaking tude. No helping up the opponent off the ground, anything in another jersey is the enemy and must be pummeled. Basically Mr. T's personality from Rocky 3 is what I want to see. We have one job and that is not to win but to dominate our opponent and cause THEM to lose. I want to see some smash mouth attitude. Like old Raiders or the 2000 Bucaneer or Raven defense. The only reason we didn't kill you is there are rules that would take our win away.
     
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  15. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    Not sure how we compare Tannehill to Brady who
    played only 12 games and still managed to put up
    28 tds with only 2 interceptions
     
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  16. Conuficus

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    Well away from here
    Lmfao
     
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  17. Rickysabeast

    Rickysabeast Royale With Cheese

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    Yes. Baltimore to me is the most feared opponent. They just have our freaking number.
     
  18. Dolphin North

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    I don't think we are stacked with talent. I think we have decent talent and some gaping holes along with (still) a lack of depth. But I actually think we do have some grit now and showed it last year. We have most likely a tougher schedule, which is good, and Gase will wring every bit of effort out of this team that is possible. I think intangibles like grit are the sort of things we will have going in our favor more than talent, but this team is still learning to win.
     

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