Sunday was the Players' Message to Stephen Ross

We agree there, long term. What about short term? Who would you start at CB?

The rest of the secondary was visibly pissed at how McCain kept giving up first downs on Sunday. He just really sucks right now. He gives up big plays, short throws, intermediate. Doesn't come up and tackle. Is hesitant, borderline scared in the run game. I was happy to see him benched, then Taylor comes in and gives up an easy TD to Hogan. Not sure if it was on Taylor or Aikens but Taylor looked like he was in cover 2, which Coyle hardly ever calls. And there was nothing underneath that Taylor really needed to come up for, the receiver in the flat was blanketed by a LB. Either way it looks like CB2 is gonna be an issue all year long and the scary part is that the QBs Miami has faced so far pale in comparison to what they'll see later in the season.

 

Yeah I've heard that story 101 times. Where's the part when you name the actual players who were sleep walking. You say "the team" as if there aren't 11 players on the field who can be identified.

When I say the team played poorly I call specific names and plays where they screwed up. If you're serious you should be able to do the same. Who was out there dogging it? Otherwise we are going in circles.

 

And that's what I pretty much saw also. If people want to say the players are just not talented enough fine , but lack of emotion and being unprepared is unacceptable and it starts at the top - Philbin is doing a piss poor job getting this team ready and focused.

 

Cmon guys. Don't be shy. Name NAMES. They don't read these posts so you're not gonna hurt their feelings. Who was lacking emotion and unprepared?

 

Dude, despite repeatedly contradicting yourself and missing the point, you hang your hat on the ability to review game film- I don't have the game to review but I'd trust my eyes after one view more than your eyes after five views. The lack of energy and flatness before the game was almost palpable- I watched the game, i know what I saw. Quit flip flopping between defending and attacking Philbin and get over the fact that you reviewed the game film- we all saw the game, we know what we saw.

 

Not very talented and playing poorly as a result is one thing, being unmotivated and unprepared is an entirely different story. I`m not debating the fact that we need help in key areas but this current roster- with the proper leadership- can be playoff caliber. Philbin is NOT getting the most out of what we have.

Also, I tape the games and scrutinize them more intently the following day. My perspective was players being out of position multiple times on defense and confusion with some of the offensive plays the Bills ran. Their main focus early was geared to stopping the run , Buffalo decided to pass on downs they normally wouldn't and our D did not react accordingly. They have to be prepared to change their schemes on the fly and defend whats presented to them. Bad preparation, very bad.

 

You keep referring to individuality, but you have to admit as a complete unit this team is underachieving and it has a lot more to do with just individual talent, or lack thereof.

 

The team looked like they were on their way to a funeral before the game, sorry that I didn't jot down names for you, maybe otherwise you stop plucking away at your one string banjo. Earl Mitchel, Cameron Wake, Olivier Vernon, Walt Aikens, Brice McCain, Lamar Miller looked like they were mentally not near their top form. But you keep missing the point about the collective vibe being so desperately weak for an NFL team, the unit as a whole- that's far more important than trying to dissect individual performances because you have NFL Rewind or whatever. Who gives a sh**? The team was mentally and emotionally unprepared to take the field, the fact that you couldn't see that says a lot about you.

 

All kidding aside, this team looked prepared to you on Sunday ?? Forget the talent level , I`m talking about being ready.

 

Stephen Ross is such a ****ing clown, he pays over $400m to renovate the stadium and of course his team gets Sandusky'd on the field. How about you spend some of that money on a good coach you big eared hobgoblin.

 

When I watched the game, I didn't see guys that looked fired up. I don't take notes, like "At 4:55 left in the first, Dallas Thomas sulked on the field after getting beaten like a rag doll." They all lacked intensity, for the most part. The team looked flat, again. Come on, man, Suh is getting double and triple teamed, and Wake can't get to the QB? Flat, dude. Flat.

 

I'm not missing your point. I'm just asking you to back it up w more than the PhD in psychology and intimate knowledge of the players' psyche, which you don't have.

We are all Fin fans, here to share our thoughts and opinions. Obviously we disagree on this issue. That's fine, it's a chance for me to learn something from another fan. If you're offended bc I ask for specifics, even after I've provided many of my own, then what's the point?

You're naming guys who I saw play poorly, same as you. But if you're gonna say they were mentally unprepared you're gonna need to have something to back it up.

 

Wake is hurt, left the Jax game and didnt return. He's looked awful most of the year. Vernon was hurt in week 1, hasnt looked himself since.

Having watched those guys for several years without seeing them dog it, knowing they both have injury issues, why would any us assume they suddenly have no desire to play hard?

 

I agree with your earlier post about being caught off guard on defense. Taylor was out on the edge with ease when I have to believe keeping him in the pocket was a focal point. Is that coaching or execution? I can't say.

On offense I saw drives stall on dropped passes. Jennings, then Landry, then Tannehill w two bad decisions that led to picks. I don't call that flat or unprepared, I call it playing poorly.

 

I think Piston is right and wrong, right about the bills having more talent, wrong about our players being flat, to me being flat means not a heightened sense of awareness and super intensity, I think weve heard and seen enough proof where coming out flat looks like it was an inevetiiblity..{watch scrimmage video of fan that had onfield access, see my comments on why the team besides landry looked lifeless, also, commented in washington early that no players were showing emotion when they made a play, also then we hear about philbin mentioning that hes detected a problem in warmups}.

 

If you don't respect my opinion then why are we even talking?

Go Phins bro.

 

oh i'd have taylor in there at corner in a heartbeat, worry about the transition this offseason, he's just the kinda player that needs reps and needs to find his confidence, he's got the talent just have to live with some mistakes..he's the better player period...thought he won the job in preseason..looks like they picked the wrong player to start....again...
this staff has no guts to give a youngster a chance to make mistakes, cause their afraid..

 

Yes, I'm surprised that Wake looks as bad as he does. If he's hurt so bad that he can't beat a guy 1 v 1, then he shouldn't be on the field, and that's on the coaches. I've never thought Vernon was all that special, so it makes me think even more that he's playing flat. Like DJ said, and I said elsewhere, playing flat means no intensity, stupid mistakes. That is exactly the team. I'm not talking about wins/losses. I'm talking about the team playing flat. The oline, as bad as they are, are not playing with any pride, or any emotion. I don't see emotion from the defense, either. Freaking Pat Surtain is on record this week as saying the team is playing the way Philbin looks. It's not just the forum warriors saying this stuff.

 

I feel where you're coming from. I understand 100% how you're feeling.

Let's be real though. If Cam Wake says he's ready to go what coach is gonna sit him down? There MIGHT be a handful of coaches who'd do it but Coyle and Philbin are most Def not on that list.

As I'm reading your comments I don't think we are as far apart as it seems, I just think we have a different opinion on what it means to be flat.

I say "played poorly" you say "flat". Perhaps it's more semantics than anything.

I credit DJ. He's an unbelievably well versed guy who seems to be in tune with both our viewpoints.

The Bills have more talent. Played better, made fewer mistakes. It led to an ugly result. Instead of getting frustrated with each other how about we agree to wait a few more weeks and see how things develop?

 

Agreed.

For whatever reason this staff seems to prefer consistency over talent. The most painful example is Richard Marshall over Vontae.

Jennings is getting more reps than Stills or Parker, though I expect that to change soon.

 

Whether intentional or not, we got owned by a divisional rival in our home opener, giving us our second straight loss and putting us in a really bad position going into this game against the Jests. So, the question is now what? If the players really are trying to get Phibin fired, do they go out and do it again on Sunday? To another divisional foe? Are they really that treasonous? Is the level of determination such that it doesn't matter how much money they're making, or how much professionalism they are "supposed" to have, they will do whatever it takes to get Clueless Joe canned? It really kinda boggles the mind. That players can willingly and with malice of forethought throw away an entire season just so they can get rid of a HC. Or, am I just overthinking this?

 

The coaching is awful. There's no arguing that but everyone wants to put all the blame on the coaches (who deserve blame) and act like this would be a stellar team if only we had good coaching. I think the players hold more blame than our ****ty coaches. We have got to have the softest team in the nfl. The tackling and blocking is appalling and yes the coaches are responsible for not holding the players accountable but grown *** men playing a 3 hr game once a week and being paid well to do so shouldn't need a hc to fire them up. This is their livelihood and as someone else mentioned, there's no passion or brotherhood to be seen on this team. No congratulating on D when they actually do manage to make a good play. Team lacks leadership and talent. Replacing the HC should be the easy part. Replacing 10+ guys not so much.

 

I would say this team is soft because a)these are the players the coach wants, and b)the players take after the coach.

 

This was a bad deal.

 

When you ask the same question over and over- and over, thinking that your viewpoint is de facto the more correct one because you watched replays of what was nearly universally looked upon as a listless and poor performance- while being continually oblivious to the lack of energy that the team exuded as a whole, which is by far a bigger issue than engaging in a rather futile exercise of assigning lack of effort blame to individual players- when all of this is repeatedly going on I wonder the same thing myself.

 

aaaaand their apparently overworked in practice...

 

I guess you are disappointed aye ? Just pathetic today...worse than last week in my opinion

 

Sometimes you can make the mistake of thinking a player isn't motivated but when you squint and look a little harder you start to see that player routinely getting beat. The truth about the DBs and LBs is that motivation is less a problem than actual talent, which is always going to be much more important than anything else in pro football.

Everything matters, but talent matters more than anything.

 

Like I said, hopefully we lost out

 

Dear Joe Philbin,

While I sure do appreciate you MORE than tripling my money in the past two weeks betting against you, I'd rather you just pack your bags and slink out of Miami. Take your entire coaching staff with you and let Marino handle the Miami Dolphins from here on it.

I'll admit that I was a little off this week as I thought the Fins would lose 27-13 instead of 27-14. Congrats on the extra point.

Signed,

"Disgusted and Embarrassed"