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Stop blaming Ndamukong Suh, Ryan Tannehill for Dolphins’ ills.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Tin Indian, Oct 6, 2015.

  1. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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  2. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    Just read it too. Here's the text for those who can't browse outside the forum and I've highlighted parts to provide a TLDR version:

    "The Dolphins are in shambles. To have any chance of saving the season, the Dolphins had to move on from Joe Philbin. The former head coach’s inability to scheme to his lineup is a big part of the reason they lost their last three games and why he’s currently unemployed. The good news is that the talent that had prognosticators predicting a playoff berth prior to the season didn’t suddenly disappear. This was an 8-8 team a year ago that actually added talent to their roster. There is no reason to think that ship can’t be righted and the Dolphins season salvaged.

    Interim head coach Dan Campbell has no shortage of problems to address, but the big one everyone wants to talk about is their well-paid free agent addition, Ndamukong Suh. Miami made him the highest paid defensive player under the pretense he’d transform a front four that disappeared down the stretch in 2014. That hasn’t happened. Fans are unhappy with Suh’s performance, but he can only play the hand he’s dealt. As of right now he’s actually on pace to eclipse his overall Pro Football Focus grade from a year ago in Detroit. So if he’s playing at a high level, then why do the Dolphins have PFF’s 30th-ranked run defense? There are few better at eating up both blockers on a double team and keeping linebackers clean than Ndamukong Suh, just ask DeAndre Levy, the Detroit linebacker who benefited greatly from Suh’s play in the Motor City. But in Miami, Suh’s being asked to do it snap after snap. This becomes an issue when you don’t have another defensive lineman or linebacker that can take advantage. The Dolphins have basically asked Earl Mitchell to be their play-maker and he’s never been that guy. Mitchell’s 4.1 run-stop percentage is sixth-worst among starting defensive tackles.

    The problem is compounded when you see that Miami’s defensive ends are asked to make tackle reads on most snaps. This means that they basically stand up at the snap of the ball and wait until they see what the tackle is doing before they execute their assignment. This works well if you have strong and long defenders that can immediately control an offensive linemen, but not so much when you have quick defenders used to winning with their agility and get-off. Reading slows down the pass-rush because the ends have to wait an extra beat to recognize the linemen getting into pass sets. That’s a big reason why Cameron Wake, our top pass-rushing 4-3 defensive end from a year ago — by a long shot — has graded out negatively as a pass-rusher in three out of four games this year.

    Ryan Tannehill hasn’t had much time to throw this season. They’re also devoid of any aggression in play calling and in defensive line philosophy. It’s cliché to say a team should be more “aggressive” and I’m not suggesting the Dolphins blitz more. What I am suggesting is that they scheme to the strengths of their personnel. Give Suh and Wake the freedom to make plays. Let them get upfield. Let them stunt off each other. It can and will at times put stress on the linebackers and creates wide running lanes, but they need someone to make plays. Quite frankly, with Miami as the 30th-graded run defense at PFF they can’t get much worse.

    The Dolphins’ offensive problem is oddly almost the exact opposite of the defensive problem. On defense they are trying to protect players who don’t necessarily need protecting, while on offense they have given little help to a porous offensive line. They have the worst guard tandem in the NFL and it isn’t really close. Dallas Thomas and Jamil Douglas rank 77th and 79th out of 79 guards that have received meaningful snaps this year. Mind you there are only 64 starting guards in the NFL at one point in time.

    The Dolphins “solution” to having our 28th ranked pass protection unit has been to become the most pass heavy team in all of the NFL, dropping back to pass on a ridiculous 73 percent of their offensive snaps. They have been trailing a lot, which adds to that number, but it’s utterly ridiculous to ask that much of an offensive line that’s been without their best lineman, left tackle Branden Albert, since Week 2.

    An emphasis absolutely needs to be put on the run and the quick-passing game to bring balance and ease pressure on the line. Right now 33 percent of Ryan Tannehill’s attempts have come within two seconds or less, almost exactly the league average. With a leaky offensive line and a myriad of playmakers on the outside, one would expect them to be among the league leaders in that category. They’ve schemed an offense that has been completely dependent on Tannehill’s performance and the results speak for themselves.

    I truly believe coaching in the NFL is more important than any other major professional sport and I’m not sure it’s even close. The Dolphins are a team where a real change can actually be made and they had to push reset on the season. There’s no way to completely overhaul a scheme midseason, but it’s clear the coaching and the talent were not aligned and tweaks can be made to fix that.

    They may be 1-3 right now, but the Dolphins are just one game out of the last wild card spot in the AFC. There’s a lot of work to be done, but Miami’s season is far from over."
     
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  3. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, but this is why I disagree that Suh is free of blame...

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-netwo...3000000550781/Diagnosing-the-Dolphins-defense

    And does anyone really need to see highlights of Tannehill missing a wide open Sims in the endzone, Stills down the sideline, overthrowing Jennings, ball placement on short throws or fade routes from the 5?

    When these guys are making more than million dollars a game their play should be at a higher level than everyone else's and elevating the level of play of the players around them.
     
  4. WELDERPAT

    WELDERPAT New Member

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    I will judge Tannehill when he isnt the most sacked qb in the NFL.
     
  5. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Suh is a proven player and i think his issues are fixable with challenging him and motivating him.

    Ryan is just very raw still, doesnt see the field well and has poor ball placement beyond 10 yards. Not to mention he lacks leadership and his teammates dont respect him like one. Hes got all the athletic ability and skills a quarterback requires, but i question the mental aspect, he doesnt have the mental part like the top quarterbacks do. You cant plug a player in at quarterback and expect wins just because he can throw the ball. If he doesnt have killer instinct, if he doesnt have the football IQ to be innovative and improvise when the pocket collapses or when you see a mismatch or a broken coverage, then youre no better than Stafford or Jay Cutler.
     
  6. Tannephins

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    The percentage of sacks Tannehill took on pass dropbacks last year actually wasn't above the average range in the NFL.
     
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  7. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    It's sad when outsiders have a better understanding of the team than its own fans
     
  8. jw3102

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    It does appear that Tannehill will never be held accountable for how ineffective this offense had been since he became the starting QB in 2012. It is either the OC's fault, the OL's fault, or the receivers fault. Yet Tannehill is by far the highest paid player on offense and he somehow always gets a pass when the offense plays like crap.
    If the Dolphins finish with the worst record in the league this year, I hope they trade Tannehill and take Goff with the first pick in the draft. I think we have seen what Tannehill has to offer and it just isn't enough, IMO.
     
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  9. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I certainly understand that a certain element in the fan base have fooled themselves into believing that Tannehill is a much better QB than he is.
    I don't blame all the problems on offense on Tannehill. I just don't think he is good enough to be effective unless every thing is perfect for him and no QB in the league has that.

    If you want to keep believing that Tannehill is the long term answer for the Dolphins, so be it. I just don't share your belief.
     
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  10. jcliving

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    First, the missed tackle cannot happen. He is not free of blame, but he is way down the list. You clearly did not watch the video you referenced. Two stunts took him out of the play (DC mistakes). He was asked to play defensive end standing up. Did he ever do that in Detroit. This video does not make your point.
     
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  11. brandon27

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    This should silence some of the "expert" critics and scouts.

    But... I see it hasn't.

    :no:

    Really good read really. Pretty spot on assessment of things they way they have been going up to this point.
     
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    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Rather than pointing fingers, and assigning blame though. Lets see how this offense performs, and changes now that it's out of Philbin's grasp. I really don't think we've seen what Tannehill has to offer at this point because of Philbin.

    The last time we saw a Joe Philbin-less Miami Dolphins team with Ryan Tannehill at QB we completely dominated and thrashed the Chargers last year.

    If Campbell does what he says he's going to do, I think we're in for some pretty big changes on offense.
     
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  13. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    We definitely need to try and run the ball more. Line up some tight ends to block and ram it down the throat of the defense. With a more balanced attack, I think the O line will play much better. We need to get Jonas Gray involved more as well. It needs to be a running back by committee at this point. Miller can provide a big play, and some finesse, and Gray can be more of a between the tackles type of back. We simply aren't using our resources correctly. We should be running the ball a minimum of 25 times a game, while keeping Tannehills attempts around 30. There should be a balanced attack and there isnt. The pass/run ratio in the Jets game was beyond ridiculous. The game was still close late into the second quarter but we abandoned the run and predictably passed on every down.
     
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  15. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    In the first 4 games last year, Tannehill was sacked 9 times.
    1 sack against NE and we put 33 points.
    4 sacks against Buff - Lost
    4 sacks against KC - Lost
    0 sacks against Oak - put up 38 points.

    Seems to be a correlation between the sacks, hits, and knockdowns to our offensive output. Of course we had a much greater running attack last season.

    This year he's being sacked and hit at much greater rate. Perhaps we're missing Daryn Colledge and Shelly Smith more than we expected to, along with a non-existent ground game.
     
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    good riddance to Philbin, may Coyle be next to leave. Tannehill has to step up or step out. ultimately, he may not be the solution @ QB... please, no more excuses. Moore would have had more success.
     
  18. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Don't tell this to Piston Honda. Coaching isn't the problem. Philbin and Coyle are good coaches. They are geniuses. The coaching in Miami has been great regardless what the stats show. Miami made a mistake just like when they fired Cam Cameron and Nick Saban. It's all Tannehills fault they should have kept the all world quarterback in Chad Henne. Piston Honda poor guy must have been in tears all day finding out the beloved Philbin and now Coyle might get fired.
     
  19. CaribPhin

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    IIRC, it wasn't that he wasn't getting sacked at a high clip, it's that his pressures were turning into sacks at a higher than average rate.
     
  20. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Yes and when you do run don't always do it out of the shotgun. And for crying out loud can we get a fullback on this roster?
     
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    And what does that say, if your pressures aren't coming at any greater rate than the league average?
     
  22. KeyFin

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    At this point, I really don't understand why so many are dead-set on either defending or trashing Tannehill...he certainly carries his fair share of the burden, yet he's also been placed in an offense that the rest of the league has 100% figured out. That means his skill is almost irrelevant since we can't run the ball and the short routes are being taken away, and we certainly have to fix the offense before we need to worry about judging Tannehill. Because whether he's the best QB ever or a definite bust, he's going to look bad in the current system.
     
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    The issue is that some people profess to know what Tannehill would be doing under different circumstances, when that in fact is a complete unknown.
     
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    Are you serious? More success at what? While I like Matt as a back up , he has NO CHANCE behind that line. We have to stop with this Matt Moore stuff please.


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    It is the whole team that has the talent. But needs to reach their potential.
     
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    I'd like to see these posts. I haven't seen him say any of that but if he has I'd like to see it.
     
  27. AdamC13

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    Why do so many think Tannehill is unique in getting sacked and pressured? This occurs league wide. Offensive line play has significantly decreased, most likely with the new rules of the CBA. The offensive line is the unit most dependent on playing as a cohesive unit and with OTA's, contact and practices limited by the CBA most offensive lines are lacking in quality play.

    This year there are 18 other QBs who have started and have been sacked at a higher percentage than Tannehill.

    Alex Smith (143 pass attempts) and Russell Wilson (127 pass attempts) lead the way with total times sacked at 18 and Tannehill (171 pass attempts) has only been sacked 10 times. And "ONLY" 3 of those QBs have a lower QB rating than Tannehill (Kaepernick, Winston and Clausen).

    In comparison to a few other QBs:
    Tannehill sacked 5.85% (pass attempts / sacks) and has a 77.1 QB rating.
    Wilson sacked 14.17% and has a 100.5 QB rating
    Alex Smith sacked 12.59% and has a 89.2 QB rating
    Marcus Mariota sacked 12.37% and has a 109.2 QB rating
    Bridgewater sacked 11.30% and has a 84.5 QB rating
    Rivers sacked 8.57% and has a 105.3 QB rating
    Weeden sacked 8.47% and has a 108.8 QB rating
    Taylor sacked 8.33% and has a 104.4 QB rating
    Hoyer sacked 7.81% and has a 87.2 QB rating
    Manning sacked 6.49% and has a 80.8 QB rating

    And every one of these QBs have led their team to more PPG than Tannehill has led Miami to.
     
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  28. resnor

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    Yeah, I've come to the conclusion that some people want perfection, and will not be happy unless there's a HoFer taking the snaps.
     
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    I hear the same thing all the time with announcers regarding Tannehill and the OL. No one claims Miami's OL is the best in the league and Tannehill always has a clean pocket to throw. Fouts Commented numerous times on Miami's OL needing to give Tannehill more time.. No is saying Miami's OL plays great. The difference with the other QBs is they make plays and lead their teams to wins when the game is on the line.

    In 51 games Luck has led the Colts to a Game Winning Drive (4th Quarter or OT) 13 times.
    In 52 games Wilson has led the Seahawks to a Game Winning Drive 15 times.
    In 52 games Tannehill has led the Dolphins to a Game Winning Drive 5 times.

    As bad as Miami played against the Jets this week, Tannehill had the opportunity to snatch victory at the hands of defeat but threw a couple of picks. Look at Luck two weeks ago against the Titans where he played poorly but in the 4th Quarter he led the Colts to 21 4th Quarter points and stole that game from the Titans.

    If Tannehill starts making big-plays and lead Miami to victories when the game is on the line I would become one of his biggest supporters.

    Tannehill has not completed a pass for over 50 yards in 975 attempts! Holy Crap that SUCKS!!!

    In fact, Tannehill has only completed "3" passes in his entire career over 50 yards:

    80 yard TD to Hartline in his 4th game as a rookie in 2012 against the Cardinal on a blown coverage allowing Hartline to run free.
    67 yard pass to Clay the 2nd game of the 2013 season.
    57 yard pass to Wallace against the Panthers in the 2013 season.

    That's it, on 1,833 passes Tannehill has completed "3" friggen passes over 50 yards. I haven't done fact checking on this next statement, but I feel confident is saying, "Tannehill has produced the fewest amount of big-plays (percentage wise and total with big play being passes over 50 yards) in the history of the NFL for a QB that has passed 1,500+ attempts in their career. Feel free to prove me wrong on this. At best, I would say there is no more than 1 QB worse. I mean even Alex Smith has racked up 6 passes over 50 yards since 2012 and started 8 less games than Tannehill.
     
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  30. BigNastyDB13

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    I think most of us would be happy with a top 10 QB who we win with. Tannehill is capable of being that guy but we haven't seen it with any kind of consistency and we re going on 4 years. Regardless of who is to blame. Nobody wants thill to do anything but succeed. We re all fin fans or we wouldn't be on here. Unless your junc from FH. Some of us just see the reality of the situation.
     
  31. AdamC13

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    You're kidding right, top 10-12?

    Who is Tannehill better than on the following 18 QBs...Rodgers, Brady, Roethlesberger, Brees, Rivers, Palmer, Ryan, Newton, Wilson, Luck, Manning, Manning, Romo, Flaco, Dalton, Mariota, Matthews, Smith?

    And there is every possibility Tannehill isn't any better than...Foles, Bradford, Carr, Bridgewater, Taylor, Winston and Cousins.

    And to answer how many teams have gutted their coaching staff the answer would be NONE. When teams have a QB that is a top 10-12 NONE of the coaches get canned 4 games into the season. That only happens to coaches who have QBs in the bottom 10.
     
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  32. brandon27

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    You guys crack me up.

    :sidelol:
     
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    Just wow.
     
  34. Tannephins

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    All players' performances vary.
     
  35. jdang307

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    Derek Carr, through 4 games, is playing quite well. Foles, we'll see. The rest, meh not so sure (I'd say Bridgey has a chance).
     
  36. jdang307

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    3 out of 4 games he's played not well, or outright bad so far. Let's hope he turns it around.
     
  37. CashInFist

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    Only the Miami Dolphins would spend the #8 overall draft pick on a WR turned QB with barely any starting experience, and then sign him to $100 million contract when he has never even sniffed the playoffs. I've never heard of another QB signing a large contract like that without ever having a winning season. We should have let Tannehill play out his contract year and reassessed after. Now the new Head Coach's hands are tied being stuck with RT17 next year. Sorry guys, we will never win a Super Bowl with Ryan Tannehill as our starting QB. He's just not that good.
     
  38. jdang307

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    Before the season, I was okay with those who felt Tanny was a top 10/12 QB at the same time ridiculing those who felt otherwise. After these 4 games, you can certainly still believe he's top 10/12, but don't have much ground to stand on when you find it incredulous others might disagree.

    We are in a show us state. Tanny's "potential" needs to be seen now. It's year 4.
     
  39. number21

    number21 Active Member

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    So, 4 games is enough to say he's a better QB? That's nice.
     
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