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Stills gets dissed

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finatik, Aug 21, 2019.

  1. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Good for Flores. Trade or just get rid of this A Hole. The last statement says it all. It's about the team NOT YOU.

    From PFT:

    Regardless, one day after receiver Kenny Stills ripped Jay-Z for his decision to do a deal with the NFL without regarding to the ongoing unemployment of quarterback Colin Kaepernick, the Dolphins dialed up eight straight Jay-Z songs at practice.

    “I felt like he really discredited Colin and myself and the work that’s being done in our communities,” Stills said Monday. “I think he could’ve handled the whole situation differently. If he were to say, ‘I see the work that Colin and these guys have been doing, and I want to partner up with the league to further that work,’ it would have been totally different than some of the ways that he answered some of these questions.”

    Various theories have been promulgated for the move, including whether coach Brian Flores was simply trying to help Stills deal with distractions created by the crowd at a game. Perhaps the more plausible reaction is that this is how Flores deals with distractions on his roster.

    In New England, players don’t spend time at their locker criticizing business deals done at the league level. In New England, players have a narrow range of permitted subjects, to which they adhere with near-robotic precision. They do that in part because the Patriots target players who will do that. They do that in part because Belichick insists on it. They do that in part because they have witnessed what Belichick says and does to those who deviate from the permitted script.

    In Miami, the latest Belichick disciple to become a head coach has a player who is willing to call out anyone and everyone, including the team’s owner. Flores didn’t seem to like that, and the Jay-Z playlist seems to be Flores’ way of expressing that publicly.

    The more important question here is whether Flores wants Stills on the roster. The Dolphins owe him nearly $8 million for 2019, $3 million of which is guaranteed for now. As of Week One, the full amount becomes guaranteed as a practical matter. It will be very interesting to see whether Flores decides to keep Stills on the roster for the first game of the regular-season — and it also will be interesting to see whether other teams, cognizant of what’s happening in Miami, call the Dolphins about a possible trade.

    Meanwhile, it will be interesting to see whether Stills wants to stay in Miami. One thing is certain: If Stills has any reservations about continuing to be a Dolphin, he won’t be afraid to say so.
     
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  2. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    In fairness to Stills, the work he does in the community off the field is to be commended. I’d rather see people of interest get involved and actually act rather than run their mouths, ala Karpernick. That said...

    Still draws too much negative attention to the TEAM when he makes his off field actions a primary focus on the field such as kneeling during the national anthem.

    Stills needs to make up his mind...is he a community activist that plays for the Miami Dolphins or is he a Miami Dolphin who is active in his community?
     
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  3. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Excellent post.
     
  4. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    My opinion? (Not that anyone asked for it) That 'article' is nonsense. The quote from Flores (which is consistent with who we've seen Flores to be so far) shows that Flores values directness and dealing with issues one on one, not in sneaky or using behind-the-back methods. Stills should have spoken to Ross directly at first, Flores said, communication is needed and vital, he made clear. Are we to believe that same guy then intentionally authorised Jay Z track selections to spite Stills? If Flores is that petty the Dolphins are done. I, for one, don't believe it.

    I do think Stills should have spoken to Ross before going public because that would have been consistent with his overall message of everyone coming together, listening, and communicating better. No one is perfect though and he's been a man who has been active and tried to find practical ways to bring about genuine change.

    Nothing I've read suggests Stills is any kind of bad personality and I don't want to see him traded for any other reasons than football issues. If Flores decides that he doesn't want the media attention Stills brings and Stills won't adjust then that's a reason too, but to suggest Stills is some sort of loud-mouth or has a bad attitude, I don't agree.

    The author of that piece is putting out too much opinion/gossip and not enough in the way of objective facts.
     
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  5. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The problem is that HE doesn't think he has to speak to Ross before he runs his mouth. It seems like HE thinks he owns the team or can just say anything he wants to anytime he wants to with no repercussions. He's free to say it but he's also free to get cut or traded. He's a mediocre player with a large contract that can go be someone else's headache. He might just figure out if he gets moved that this is a business and not a social platform.

    You try saying the stuff he said about your boss or the company owner and see how that goes. It is being a loud mouth IMO.
     
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  6. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    I disagree. Generally speaking Stills has been pretty low key. He's focused on engaging in different activities and meeting people, not putting his own voice out there in the form of commentary, like so many others. I think the way he handled this one was a mistake but he's far from someone who "seems like HE thinks he owns the team". He seems genuinely concerned with issues in society and is trying to find constructive ways to progress things. He was likely just shocked/upset and reacted strongly on that instance. We're all human. It happens.
     
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  7. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    Stephen Ross does something that contradicts his supposed moral compass and Kenny Still calls him on his bull****. I commend Kenny Stills for speaking up for what he thinks right.

    Edit: There was no way Ross would have cancelled his stupid fundraiser because Stills asked him to do it in private. Ross loves his cheaper taxes more than his charity work.
     
  8. Drizzy

    Drizzy Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ross didn’t cancel it anyway. But I partly agree with you, the story really blew up because Stills went public with his criticism, which led to Ross getting ripped apart by everyone and he even seriously considered cancelling the event, I mean the backlash really got to him...backlash that likely wouldn’t have been at the level it was had Stills kept things private. It also led to the Players Coalition Social Justice Committee forcing Ross out, a committee that Ross was likely extremely proud to be apart of him. He was 1 of only 5 owners that were involved.
     
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  9. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    It was so bad Tom Garfinkel felt the need to defend Ross during preseason game 1.
     
  10. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    They will still take his money. It's all a bunch of BS. Steven Ross isn't allowed to have a business relationship with someone he's know for years when some mediocre WR runs his mouth because Stills doesn't like the President. What a total hypocrite. He's all for free speech as long it it fits into his view of what that box looks like. Heaven forbid if Ross told him anything about how or who he should or should not be associating with. The race card would be played so fast.
     
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  11. Drizzy

    Drizzy Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Not only that, the CEO of RISE even came and criticized Ross;

    This is a decision I personally wish Steve had not made,” Diahann Billings-Burford told Jason Reid of ESPN.com. She admitted that she has had “difficult conversations” regarding the impact of that decision on the credibility of RISE with black athletes.

    “I totally understand, empathize — I don’t know what word is more powerful — [with] the disappointment and criticism toward Steve for making this decision,” Billings-Burford told Reid. “I would have to lack perspective to not understand why this decision would not make athletes hesitate to work with RISE.”
     
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  12. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    Kenny Stills isn't the hypocrite in this scenario. That title goes to Stephen Ross.
     
  13. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Again they don't like POTUS so they feel they can dictate who he associates and works with. If the shoes on the other foot there would be "outrage in the community". It's all one sided with one side trying to push their political ideology onto someone else. THAT is what you should be concerned with. It just happens you agree with this side this time. As soon as one's on the other side of that equation then let's see how you feel about it.
     
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  14. Ohiophinphan

    Ohiophinphan Chaplain Staff Member Luxury Box

    Folks, please stay on the football side of this issue. There is no longer a PoFo, nor will there be one again. This is a Miami Dolphin football forum. The topic is about the team so no immediate action is being taken but if this turns into a generic political discussion it will go down the memory hole and the thread closed. Thems the rules we all agreed to live by in using this place.
     
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  15. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Dude....this whole thing is so 2017.

    If Kenny Stills is going to bring that noise to the Dolphins I'd boot him. He might be a saint but I'm just not interested in what he has to say about this stuff.

    Football is entertainment dude.
     
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  16. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    For a player as inconsistent as him, who disappears for weeks, I am all for trading him it's not worth the headache.
     
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  17. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well, he's not a dominant player, that's for sure.

    I think he's a good guy and has talent but he's of relatively low value considering he plays what is probably the deepest position in the NFL, a position that is most certainly the deepest on our roster. There is absolutely no doubt Miami could lose him and not miss a beat (which says something).

    You might say booting him would make waves but I disagree. This is no different than any other situation where certain people make themselves targets. They're a nuisance to everyone including their peers.

    Sorry bro, the harsh reality is that nobody tuning in to watch their favorite team wants to hear this noise. It was a fad. But it's over. People are back to football being football.

    No team ever has to apologize for getting rid of guys who are distractions.
     
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  18. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    And the youth of today are very influenced by "entertainers". Good for Stills for speaking his mind. I'll stop there at the risk of getting political.
     
  19. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Teams competing for championships arent busy with jay z drama. Ask Belichick what his opinion is about Jayz and Kaepernick and see what kind of response you get.

    Honestly i dont like what Flores did yesterday, i think he handled it immaturely.

    If you think a player is a distraction, go straight to Grier and get trade talks going or discuss his release. You set the precedent that we are here about football.

    That whole nas and jay z nonsense is just an embarrasing headline and other teams are laughing at us right now. I know because ive read it myself.

    As for the first line you said on the original post... You dont call a guy that has done as much as Wilson and Stills has for their people and the community an A hole. They put their money where that mouth is, and unfortunately thats a lot more than most of us have done for others. Hell some people rather sit on ttheir *** and dont give a damn about whats going on with their friend or neighbor. These two go out and do a lot of work in the offseason, theyre not taking days off, theyre actually helping.

    In the end, the Dolphins need to go back to being a football culture.
     
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  20. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    If I went to a major news outlet and said, "On behalf of everyone at the Phins.com, we've decided that we're going to protest Breast Cancer Awareness Month because NFL athletes shouldn't be forced to wear anything pink." How would you feel about that? How would cancer research or the NFL feel about that? And how would the site's owners feel?

    That's essentially what Jay-Z just did- he magically inserted himself into a cause and spoke on behalf of people he has nothing to do with. It's an insult to everyone involved and Stills had every right to say that Jay-Z was not speaking for him. If Jay-Z wants to ***-kiss his way into NFL ownership that's fine, but he should expect to get called on outright lies.
     
  21. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He didn't magically insert himself. He was hired to do a job. Someone of color that maybe could affect the change that's being looked for. But like the crab analogy goes don't let one climb out if EVERYONE can't climb out of the bucket. Once they stopped showing the total disrespect for the flag and this country that was the beginning of the end. He just spoke the truth that kneeling has run its course and now the next phase is to DO SOMETHING. Maybe you should wait and see what or if Jay-Z does before jumping on him.

    I see that Still feels so strongly about Kap not being on a team that he's willing to not play until he's hired. Or anyone else that is so passionate about Kap not having a job. Oh that's right that's their MONEY. When it's someone else then it's ok. Even Kap sold out and took the NFL's money to go away instead of seeing it to the end. Just goes to show how principled he is to his own cause. As Grand Master Flash said "It's all about the money ain't a damn thing funny". All these guys are just blah blah blah and when it comes down to it...they take the cash.
     
  22. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    There are 2 kind of politics...the kind that involve promoting actual good...and the kind that are vapid and self-serving.

    Up until now Kenny Stills has done the former, which is good. I mean, I don't really care personally, but it's his prerogative who he wants to be and what he wants to do. I don't demand WRs do charity work. He's free to do it. I'll tip my cap to him. But it doesn't earn him moral authority to be louder than the average WR.

    So if he's going to do the latter and become a critic of other people in his spare time then I'm out. He can retire and then he'll have all day to do that.
     
  23. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    Sorry dude. You are wrong. Jay Z put his foot in his mouth. He should jabber talked to the people involved before speaking for them.

    It is nor a political thing. It is a simple respect thing.

    No one likes to bre spoken for.
     
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  24. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I'm not jumping on Jay-Z or anyone else- all I said was, it's not Jay-Z's place to speak for someone else or an entire movement that he's not involved with. People here seem surprised that Stills didn't appreciate that. Who wouldn't be upset if someone else was putting words in their mouth?
     
  25. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's the message.
     
  26. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    If that's the message, then why are we talking about this? Stills and the rest of the team practiced football today...and I guarantee you that this wasn't a topic of conversation.
     
  27. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If Jay-Z wants to own a team and he's got the money, why can't he? Do you think that's controversial for some reason?

    Whatever's going on with Colin Kaepernick is really, really old news. That guys stopped being relevant a long time ago. He seems to have parlayed his controversy into a newfound fame which I don't think is by accident. Society has largely made up their minds about him.

    When most of us think Colin Kaepernick, we think self-serving DB.

    I can't speak for everyone but as a middle class 34-year old, when I think Jay-Z, I think rich guy who made a ton as a music producer...so good for him.

    I mean, call me nuts, but I'm inclined to favor the latter even if I'm not into hip hop, LOL.

    Granted I have no idea what "movement" got interrupted or by whom but it sounds like a bunch of hens squawking about nothing.
     
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  28. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    As I'm reading it, it's a topic about whether Kenny Stills is valuable enough WR such that the team should tolerate him being an outside distraction.

    If, for example, he were a San Diego Charger we wouldn't be talking about it.
     
  29. Destroyer

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    When I don’t understand things I either ask questions or don’t talk about them until I do.
     
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  30. DolphinGreg

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    Important stuff, sure.

    But this isn't important stuff.

    I wouldn't give people bad advice on their taxes. I'd tell them to ask an expert.

    Football though? Pssh...this stuff is entertainment. If y'all are listening to Kenny Stills about politics, y'all need a life.

    Sorry to be mean about it. I'm bored and this is the only thread doing anything. Not much to talk about when it's preseason w. Rosen at QB I guess.
     
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  31. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Reload

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    Stills is a non stop drama queen that will only get worse. I for one don't enjoy seeing or reading about a team I want to root for putting up with this kind of selfish behavior. Maybe the Browns want him.
     
  32. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    Guys, it's wandering... Dolphins/football discussion only.
     
  33. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    ********** GUYS. FOOTBALL ONLY. EDIT YOURSELVES IN ADVANCE OR WE'LL END IT. *****************
     
  34. DolphinGreg

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    Dude..Galant...end it, bro.

    How can people talk about this and have it be football-related?

    The whole point is that what he's doing isn't football, LOL.

    End the thread.
     
  35. KeyFin

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    Okay, let's make it a football topic. Stills has been consistently praised for his work ethic on and off the field in Miami. He led the team last season for receiving yards and TD's, and he's been our healthiest receiver only missing one game in two seasons. On paper at least, he's our most consistent receiver.

    Off the field, he's volunteered heavily in the community and represented the Fins two years straight for NFL Man of the Year. He has kneeled for racial injustice and answered questions to media when asked, but generally he has not made headlines...up until this past week with two different stories. So if he's a "distraction", it's only been for the past 7 days maximum because the team has absolutely loved him.

    Now to your question- is he "valuable enough" to be a Miami WR? He was our most valuable receiver for the past two seasons, so that seems like a dumb question unless it's being asked with additional motives. Plain and simple, he disagreed once with Ross and once with Jay-Z....each in 10-20 second comments that the media has turned into a story.

    I hardly see that as grounds for trading someone.
     
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  36. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    The message was terribly delivered then, what Flores did was act like a damn fool.
     
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  37. pumpdogs

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    So sick of Stills and his distractions!
    Trade his *** and good for you Flores!
    Political **** has no business in football!
     
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  38. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Agreed, put the players back in the locker room where they have been for the vast majority of the NFL.
     
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  39. Silverphin

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    Exactly.

    Only until recently were players out in the field standing for the anthem.

    As for this, I got two things to say.

    1. I really don't understand why people are getting all up in arms about him expressing an opinion. Come talk to me when he does some Richie Incognito type stuff or quits on his team over something that's not a big deal.

    2. I'm giving Flores the benefit of the doubt, because sometimes sports writers pull stories out of thin air. But if... IF... Flores really did this to diss Stills, then that's really an immature move and he shouldn't be coaching an NFL team.
     
  40. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    You don't trade Stills or get rid of him unless it is for a competent offensive lineman or 2. Hell, I would trade anyone on this team for 4 competent offensive linemen and a franchise QB.

    As for the other stuff, Im just gonna leave that alone because I would piss off most people with where I stand, lol.
     
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