State of The Franchise

I wouldn't be sad if Devante Parker wasn't on this team. The guy is soft as baby crap.

"KeyFin wrote:

If what the ref called was "correct", that means there's no such thing as a safety or sack in the NFL. Think about it....the QB obviously starts at the line of scrimmage every single play...wouldn't that automatically be forward progress too? I just couldn't believe how ridiculous that was.

To rub salt in the wound though, the same ref didn't give Williams forward progress on that 4th and 1. You see the LOS, you see Pouncey and the guard punch forward 2 yards, and you see Williams right on top of them and a pulling guard pushing him from behind. But somehow, we only advance the ball two feet? It was pure insanity....you can see from the initial surge he DEFINITELY went about a yard and a half.

the safety was a joke, but in respect to the rule book, forward progress is only when the defense stops you from moving forward so when a qb runs back on his own that's not the same, but i get what your trying to say. I knew they weren't going to give us that 4th and short just because we didn't get enough of a push but i thought the spot would have been a lot closer the refs were terrible, i don't even care about the 4th and 1 give us the safety and we probably win the game.

"dirtylandry wrote:

Look guys, I am a huge Dolphins fan, I'm not going to compete with you. I know what my passion and optimism were and I am totally deflated. Moreover, there is no player on this team that gives us any indication that, during a bad year, we can hang our hats on, such as a rookie qb. This has to be one of the most frustrating seasons because there was so much expectation, and now there is nothing to play for. There will be hard good-byes, like Wake, Pouncey, Suh, Tannehill. But holding onto players that are too little to effect the outcome or that we've seen peak, is very detrimental. It's like a bad marriage, better to divorce and find someone new. I also believe we were guided wrong by the front office and coaching staff. There was no plan, it just seemed the either spent money to fix a position or got someone last minute to plug a hole. I do believe that there is a small window of hope, based on what Phily and LA did. But it would take a mountain to accomplish. It would involve a good personnel guy and a new coach. It would involve shredding salary still.

How can you say there was no plan? If RT was healthy this season, "the plan" was the Super Bowl. Our defense has looked great at times this season and so has our offense before RT went down. Hell, the offense looked great yesterday under Moore...I don't see how anyone can say that they didn't. The refs handed that game to Tampa with about 6 mind-boggling calls to take points off the board and kill drives.

Everything you're saying though is based on Tannehill getting hurt in a non-contact injury in practice. Did Indy clear house after Manning got hurt and they went from a 15-1 team to 1-15 (in the suck for luck year)? Will Tennessee do the same this season with Watson hurt? Or Green Bay without Rodgers?

I realize that losing sucks and none of us are happy, but our problem all year has been Jay Cutler and Jay Ajayi. We fixed one of those issues and there's no clear answer for the 2nd EXCEPT Matt Moore. I just don't understand what you expect Gase to do here...you're literally asking the franchise to fire everyone because of one lousy hire when there weren't any good options in the first place.

"dolphin25 wrote:

i did wonder why suddenly on most important drive of game we decided to stop blitzing, when that is what helped the defense so much in the second half. just blows the mind, yet so typical of this coaching staff.

In all honesty it doesn't surprise me, we ran the same zone coverage all day, think about how many time fitzy hit the same 12 yard post between the lbs under the safety? Burke wasn't doing his job that's what i was so mad about was the stupid zone coverage they hit a crucial one on the final drive and I thin Evans caught 2-3 in the first half i could be wrong though it could have been one of the other receiver.

"dirtylandry wrote:

blame the penalties and refs all you want. For years, when it comes to one final stop in the last drive of a close game, this team has been notorious not to stop teams. No pass rush - period

I blame cutler and gase. after the 2nd INT i was saying bench cutler, the stupid concussion was just a ploy so cutler didn get benched again hahaha jk

"bigballa2102 wrote:

I was watching the rams game and Philly game yesterday and i was literally asking how they turned their teams around so quickly, look at Philly they had chip Kelly disaster and it took them 3 years, ill say it again 3 years to turn it around into the best team in the league or record if you don't believe their the best team with a new coach and a qb. Look at the rams theirs took about 3 years as well even thought they have been rebuilding for a lot longer but they started their 0-line work a few years ago then drafted a qb then they fired fisher last year they were horrible last year and they have a good line and good/great defense and now they are going to win the NFC west which is incredible, they got rid of a coach and drafted a QB and now looking for a bright future.

I also believe we lose Landry at this point which I am going to be very upset to watch him on another team strive with his top tier talent.

After watching the team when Moore came in, the team was in such a different place i mean the announcers said it over and over they were playing with a renewed vigor, this to me is why gase should be fired, he went with cutler and it was his biased opinion of cutler not the teams best interest and that is not the person i want as a HC when hes using personal relationship instead of whats best for the team. I do not think Moore is so great but when the team plays harder knowing hes taking snaps and believes in him and the ability difference between cutler and Moore is non existent to minimal you have to play whats best for team. Ya he had a horrible showing against the ravens on a short week. i just wonder what if Moore had played the first half yesterday that's a W, no? what if he would have been playing this whole time could we have gotten Oakland and the first meeting with the jets? I am not even basing that on Moore scoring a million points I am saying does the team play better, does Ajayi not get traded? i mean after watching the different team in the second half yesterday its hard not to imagine where we would be in Moore had been playing because i strongly agree with Steven A smith on this statement and only this statement, cutler is a disease.

I hate watching games and being the blunt of everyone jokes, i was sick of hearing Chris Collinsworth talk about the Ajayi trade over and over and pretty much in a non directional way saying Miami was dumb and making jokes, we have became more of a joke to the league than the win less browns.

2 seasons. and this season isn't even over with

"KeyFin wrote:

How can you say there was no plan? If RT was healthy this season, "the plan" was the Super Bowl. Our defense has looked great at times this season and so has our offense before RT went down. Hell, the offense looked great yesterday under Moore...I don't see how anyone can say that they didn't. The refs handed that game to Tampa with about 6 mind-boggling calls to take points off the board and kill drives.

Everything you're saying though is based on Tannehill getting hurt in a non-contact injury in practice. Did Indy clear house after Manning got hurt and they went from a 15-1 team to 1-15 (in the suck for luck year)? Will Tennessee do the same this season with Watson hurt? Or Green Bay without Rodgers?

I realize that losing sucks and none of us are happy, but our problem all year has been Jay Cutler and Jay Ajayi. We fixed one of those issues and there's no clear answer for the 2nd EXCEPT Matt Moore. I just don't understand what you expect Gase to do here...you're literally asking the franchise to fire everyone because of one lousy hire when there weren't any good options in the first place.

they had no plan in case the qb with the bad knee got hurt. they had no plan for the offensive line

"KeyFin wrote:

How can you say there was no plan? If RT was healthy this season, "the plan" was the Super Bowl. Our defense has looked great at times this season and so has our offense before RT went down. Hell, the offense looked great yesterday under Moore...I don't see how anyone can say that they didn't. The refs handed that game to Tampa with about 6 mind-boggling calls to take points off the board and kill drives.

Everything you're saying though is based on Tannehill getting hurt in a non-contact injury in practice. Did Indy clear house after Manning got hurt and they went from a 15-1 team to 1-15 (in the suck for luck year)? Will Tennessee do the same this season with Watson hurt? Or Green Bay without Rodgers?

I realize that losing sucks and none of us are happy, but our problem all year has been Jay Cutler and Jay Ajayi. We fixed one of those issues and there's no clear answer for the 2nd EXCEPT Matt Moore. I just don't understand what you expect Gase to do here...you're literally asking the franchise to fire everyone because of one lousy hire when there weren't any good options in the first place.

I understand you mean the plan is always to win the SB but we all know that’d never happen with Tannehill and Gase, especially now that Ajayi is gone and Wake is another year older.

You also can’t compare those situations you brought up because all those QBs (including Luck replacing Manning) were/are better than Tannehill and their backups were far worse. We’ve already seen that Moore isn’t much of a dropoff from Tannehill as a Dolphin, but Gase just had to start HIS guy. Although maybe it isn’t about starting his guy because he went with Foster over Ajayi...

How exactly did we fix the Ajayi issue? Is fixing giving away your best offensive player to the team with the best record for next to nothing and continuing to suck?

"KeyFin wrote:

How can you say there was no plan? If RT was healthy this season, "the plan" was the Super Bowl. Our defense has looked great at times this season and so has our offense before RT went down. Hell, the offense looked great yesterday under Moore...I don't see how anyone can say that they didn't. The refs handed that game to Tampa with about 6 mind-boggling calls to take points off the board and kill drives.

Everything you're saying though is based on Tannehill getting hurt in a non-contact injury in practice. Did Indy clear house after Manning got hurt and they went from a 15-1 team to 1-15 (in the suck for luck year)? Will Tennessee do the same this season with Watson hurt? Or Green Bay without Rodgers?

I realize that losing sucks and none of us are happy, but our problem all year has been Jay Cutler and Jay Ajayi. We fixed one of those issues and there's no clear answer for the 2nd EXCEPT Matt Moore. I just don't understand what you expect Gase to do here...you're literally asking the franchise to fire everyone because of one lousy hire when there weren't any good options in the first place.

i agree with the cutler thing that was horrible, but that in lies Gases decision making, if ajayi was so hard to control how the hell can he go into Philly and makes strides after 2 weeks if he didnt want to do "homework" and learn? i just find it hard for a guy who strive in last years offense and all of a sudden this year he doesn't know what hes doing but in 2 weeks he can go into Philly and catch screen passes and stuff, i literally point it at cutler the guys brings everyone down we still don't have a 100 yard rusher without ajayi and i know its been 3 weeks. Maybe Ajayi played his card so great that he wanted out because cutler brings the whole team down i don't know though. I think it all points at Cutler to me maybe the team lost all respect for Gase once he grabbed cutler and we started sucking and maybe Ajayi said F it i don't know though just my opinion.

"finsfandan wrote:

I understand you mean the plan is always to win the SB but we all know that’d never happen with Tannehill and Gase, especially now that Ajayi is gone and Wake is another year older.

You also can’t compare those situations you brought up because all those QBs (including Luck replacing Manning) were/are better than Tannehill and their backups were far worse. We’ve already seen that Moore isn’t much of a dropoff from Tannehill as a Dolphin, but Gase just had to start HIS guy. Although maybe it isn’t about starting his guy because he went with Foster over Ajayi...

How exactly did we fix the Ajayi issue? Is fixing giving away your best offensive player to the team with the best record for next to nothing and continuing to suck?

i agree, maybe Gase and Ajayi mixed like oil and water and gase just never really cared for him, but that in terms says everything of how Gase isnt a head coach, if he didn't like Ajayi and he just said "im taking my ball and going home" sort of thing and was like ill trade you. There's a lot of HC and players that dont "get along" but that is where the HC is supposed calm the water on both sides and "be professional" to WIN GAMES.

"finsfandan wrote:

I understand you mean the plan is always to win the SB but we all know that’d never happen with Tannehill and Gase, especially now that Ajayi is gone and Wake is another year older.

You also can’t compare those situations you brought up because all those QBs (including Luck replacing Manning) were/are better than Tannehill and their backups were far worse. We’ve already seen that Moore isn’t much of a dropoff from Tannehill as a Dolphin, but Gase just had to start HIS guy. Although maybe it isn’t about starting his guy because he went with Foster over Ajayi...

How exactly did we fix the Ajayi issue? Is fixing giving away your best offensive player to the team with the best record for next to nothing and continuing to suck?

I just don't know how Miami can't dial up any consistent pressure and at the same time, cannot block the men in front of you.
Miami lacks the fundamentals of a team that can compete consistently. The quickest way to compete is sure up the trenches, cheaply. It can be done. LA has 3 starters earning less than $1M. They had the top offense or close to coming in.

"bigballa2102 wrote:

i agree, maybe Gase and Ajayi mixed like oil and water and gase just never really cared for him, but that in terms says everything of how Gase isnt a head coach, if he didn't like Ajayi and he just said "im taking my ball and going home" sort of thing and was like ill trade you. There's a lot of HC and players that dont "get along" but that is where the HC is supposed calm the water on both sides and "be professional" to WIN GAMES.

Gase is stubborn. Plain and simple. I am not sure how you succeed without flexibility. The play calling is the perfect example. To me, Gase is a glorified OC with a title. For him to be successful, he has to delegate more and at the same time, have better staff members. Imagine he has final say on the 53, and there are better GM's right now with personnel experience that don't have jobs

"dirtylandry wrote:

Gase is stubborn. Plain and simple. I am not sure how you succeed without flexibility. The play calling is the perfect example. To me, Gase is a glorified OC with a title. For him to be successful, he has to delegate more and at the same time, have better staff members. Imagine he has final say on the 53, and there are better GM's right now with personnel experience that don't have jobs

ya his EGO is extremely high of himself, and i think that all boils everything down, i dont think you can simply point 1 finger at Ajayi of a reason we didn't win and when he did pretty much point him out i think it was personal.

"bigballa2102 wrote:

the safety was a joke, but in respect to the rule book, forward progress is only when the defense stops you from moving forward so when a qb runs back on his own that's not the same, but i get what your trying to say. I knew they weren't going to give us that 4th and short just because we didn't get enough of a push but i thought the spot would have been a lot closer the refs were terrible, i don't even care about the 4th and 1 give us the safety and we probably win the game.

But that's the thing...the QB was right on the goal line when he collided with his own player...it was questionable if the ENTIRE BALL was out of the end zone at that point (that's what the head ref for the NFL said in the live chat during the game...if any part of the ball is across the line, it's a safety). He was still on his feet at that point though and trying to scramble over people, and still untouched by any defender. I just don't see how you can go under the tarp, review that play from multiple angles and still blow the call a 2nd time.

I get what you're saying, but that's not how that ref interpreted the NFL rules for that one play. We stopped the QB from moving forward about 2 yards deep in the end zone...that was the first point of contact. But then he ruled exactly the opposite on the Williams run, spotting us where Williams went down instead of his progress forward.

Blowing one "forward progress" call is unfortunate, but getting both of them 100% wrong within a 5 minute span with two completely different interpretations of the rule...what are the odds?

"jdallen1222 wrote:

Looked like Stills had the first down on his last catch of the day, that same stalled drive.

That one was at least close- maybe he made it, maybe he didn't. There were so many other calls that weren't close at all though.

Here's real results...I'll use PPG since it seems that's what counts for many here

Defense 2016 PPG Ranked 18th
2017 PPG Ranked T-25th

Offense 2016 PPG Ranked 17th
2017 PPG Ranked 31st

For Adam the honeymoon is over, teams have enough game film to prevent him from faking he made JC and PM.

As for the D decline, easy to confirm, VJ who now is the HC of the Donkies and on the hot seat 6 straight losses, was a terrible DC, but the worse unit on the D, was the LB coach, Burke, who now is the DC, how would anyone expect us to get better?

"Vertical Limit wrote:

What i learned is dont offer money to retired players or coaches..

Stay away from Gruden, Romo, etc in the offseason.

They retired because they have given up on the sport.

I learned that after Jimmy Johnson. Guys who retire don't want to commit to the life, even if they get an itch from time to time.

"KeyFin wrote:

But that's the thing...the QB was right on the goal line when he collided with his own player...it was questionable if the ENTIRE BALL was out of the end zone at that point (that's what the head ref for the NFL said in the live chat during the game...if any part of the ball is across the line, it's a safety). He was still on his feet at that point though and trying to scramble over people, and still untouched by any defender. I just don't see how you can go under the tarp, review that play from multiple angles and still blow the call a 2nd time.

I get what you're saying, but that's not how that ref interpreted the NFL rules for that one play. We stopped the QB from moving forward about 2 yards deep in the end zone...that was the first point of contact. But then he ruled exactly the opposite on the Williams run, spotting us where Williams went down instead of his progress forward.

Blowing one "forward progress" call is unfortunate, but getting both of them 100% wrong within a 5 minute span with two completely different interpretations of the rule...what are the odds?

the odds are big when its Miami and you like the dolphins hahah, oh i agree in the next 20000000 games that will be called a safety every time, your own player cant stop your forward progress, only thing i can think of was maybe the ref took wakes push of the lineman as stopping the progress. Sometimes when the RB hits the line and they defense has pushed the line back and they are all in a big pile up they give them the forward progress, but i literally cant see how that's not a safety.

We need a great GM to fix this mess, we don't have anything that is close to it....

"Seadog wrote:

Here's real results...I'll use PPG since it seems that's what counts for many here

Defense 2016 PPG Ranked 18th
2017 PPG Ranked T-25th

Offense 2016 PPG Ranked 17th
2017 PPG Ranked 31st

For Adam the honeymoon is over, teams have enough game film to prevent him from faking he made JC and PM.

As for the D decline, easy to confirm, VJ who now is the HC of the Donkies and on the hot seat 6 straight losses, was a terrible DC, but the worse unit on the D, was the LB coach, Burke, who now is the DC, how would anyone expect us to get better?

How do we constantly keep picking horrible freaking coaches all around and letting anyone who is succeeding go its just asinine to me that we cant find a good coach to soak up the sun in south beach.

I understand all your comments about the bad calls, but hey, this was a home game against a not really good Team!

"finsfandan wrote:

I understand you mean the plan is always to win the SB but we all know that’d never happen with Tannehill and Gase, especially now that Ajayi is gone and Wake is another year older.

You also can’t compare those situations you brought up because all those QBs (including Luck replacing Manning) were/are better than Tannehill and their backups were far worse. We’ve already seen that Moore isn’t much of a dropoff from Tannehill as a Dolphin, but Gase just had to start HIS guy. Although maybe it isn’t about starting his guy because he went with Foster over Ajayi...

How exactly did we fix the Ajayi issue? Is fixing giving away your best offensive player to the team with the best record for next to nothing and continuing to suck?

Ajayi wasn't running plays as the coach drew them up, he wasn't blocking well on passing downs, and at the same time he was complaining that he needed more snaps/carries.

So you play Adam Gase- you have that problem with a player and you leave him sitting at home in 2016, and then you let him ride the bench for a month to learn his lesson. And what happens? Lesson learned....he had a massive game on his first day back. But at the same time, he's still bouncing the ball outside far too often instead of hitting the holes. That's why he had three 200 yard days and about 5 games with nothing to talk about. But still, he always ran hard in the 4th quarter and closed games well, so Gase kept him on the field.

We get to 2017 and it's the same stubborn Ajayi all over again....not hitting holes and now he doesn't feel the need to block. Cutler got leveled multiple times in the first month as a defender ran right by Ajayi's side. So you're Adam Gase....what do you do? Bench him for another month when your team is already in a tailspin? Say the heck with it and just let the guy get your QB killed? Or maybe you stop calling run plays completely...even though it was supposed to be our identity as an offense?

There's no easy answer there but Gase had to do something to cut the cancer. I don't know if you've noticed but Williams has been FANTASTIC blocking for Cutler on passing plays....for example, he completely laid out a safety on a weak side blitz yesterday....put the guy flat on his back! We've never seen that kind of effort from Ajayi on passing downs. And meanwhile, we've had big gains in the run game every single week since Ajayi left....yesterday we were a few yards shy of a 100 yard day, and once again we had a big run called back with holding on Landry (I watched the play at least a half dozen times and couldn't find the hold).

So again, what do you do as the head coach? How do you convince a locker room diva to do his job and support his teammates, and to run plays exactly as they're drawn up? That's the million dollar question Ajayi fans can't answer.

"bigballa2102 wrote:

How do we constantly keep picking horrible freaking coaches all around and letting anyone who is succeeding go its just asinine to me that we cant find a good coach to soak up the sun in south beach.

Wade was available, but we chose a guy that was one of the worse position coaches available, that's how come...

"KeyFin wrote:

Ajayi wasn't running plays as the coach drew them up, he wasn't blocking well on passing downs, and at the same time he was complaining that he needed more snaps/carries.

So you play Adam Gase- you have that problem with a player and you leave him sitting at home in 2016, and then you let him ride the bench for a month to learn his lesson. And what happens? Lesson learned....he had a massive game on his first day back. But at the same time, he's still bouncing the ball outside far too often instead of hitting the holes. That's why he had three 200 yard days and about 5 games with nothing to talk about. But still, he always ran hard in the 4th quarter and closed games well, so Gase kept him on the field.

We get to 2017 and it's the same stubborn Ajayi all over again....not hitting holes and now he doesn't feel the need to block. Cutler got leveled multiple times in the first month as a defender ran right by Ajayi's side. So you're Adam Gase....what do you do? Bench him for another month when your team is already in a tailspin? Say the heck with it and just let the guy get your QB killed? Or maybe you stop calling run plays completely...even though it was supposed to be our identity as an offense?

There's no easy answer there but Gase had to do something to cut the cancer. I don't know if you've noticed but Williams has been FANTASTIC blocking for Cutler on passing plays....for example, he completely laid out a safety on a weak side blitz yesterday....put the guy flat on his back! We've never seen that kind of effort from Ajayi on passing downs. And meanwhile, we've had big gains in the run game every single week since Ajayi left....yesterday we were a few yards shy of a 100 yard day, and once again we had a big run called back with holding on Landry (I watched the play at least a half dozen times and couldn't find the hold).

So again, what do you do as the head coach? How do you convince a locker room diva to do his job and support his teammates, and to run plays exactly as they're drawn up? That's the million dollar question Ajayi fans can't answer.

to play the devils advocate, that's when you bench him but i seriously didn't see him as a cancer there was/is so many issues with this team i seriously doubt Ajayi was the "reason" we sucked and lost and looked horrible there's a lot of leaking boards in this boat and plugging one hole really isn't helping us, i mean either way i dont think keeping Ajayi and this team intake would/could make a run at the SB.

"EverFin wrote:

I understand all your comments about the bad calls, but hey, this was a home game against a not really good Team!

HAHAH i was thinking this yesterday, besides a few good drives, we let Fitzy go off lol and Tampa who is probably 30-32nd team without their starting qb beat us there is literally no hope in NE and even though Denver is struggling with the dolphins trash in VJ they have a way better D than Tampa so im having a hard time finding confidence in any of the remaining games after we lost to Tampa.