Star Trek vs Star Wars

Yeah the new movies really hurt the franchise as a whole. The Pseudo-religious aspects in the original series were pretty cool.

 

Aspects?

Maybe I'm missing something, guys, but as far as religion/philosophy in Star Wars, there was The Force, and there was ... The Force.

 

And the whole Anakin/Jesus thing in that he was an immaculate conception.

 

Wow. I completely forgot that. Ok.

 

The force is a pretty big religion aspect. George Lucas did a lot of research in eastern philosophy to come up with it and flesh it out.

 

soooooooooooo ewoks were england or the united states......

 

Ewoks were France... Duh.

 

I thought about that. I think Han Solo was the US and the Ewoks were probably England. Russia was probably the Rebels?

BTW, I bet we are the first non-virgins to ever have this conversation... just wanted to point out that little piece of internet history.

 

Dude, the Ewoks were definitely France. The whole planet was taken over by the Empire and they didn't fight back until Han and the Rebels helped out.

I'm so proud to be a part of history.

Not so sure about lucky, though...

 

Maybe the Sith were the Jews and the Jedi's where the Cannotites.

I do not think it was that deep in politically based. It is a classic battle between good and evil. If you do believe that one side is good and one side is evil in a political debate then you can make it match up.

 

Yes I do. I'm married I don't even have a sporting chance in most arguments.

I don't know what there is to win or lose. As a Star Wars fan Data never contributed squat to my limited enjoyment of Star Trek and I put him about the same pecking order as I could C3PO in Star Wars.

Did you see their teeth? They are England.

 

yes............non virgins.......... because I've had relations before.......... with women.................often.................................

 

I see you speak Shatner.

 

HEY! HEY! HEY! Cheap shot!!! OK you maybe right.... :

Anyways, Ewoks are French, annoyng bast*rds that you can't understand and roll over until someone else comes to help them out....

Dont get me wrong I love France when driving through to Spain

 

Um, the Ewoks kicked the Empire's ***. They're not French.

 

They were subjugated first.

Just like the French.

It took outside influence to bring about their freedom.

Sounds like the French to me.

 

Plus the Godless Heathens worshiped C3PO, a droid who walks like he had a turtle head poking out.

 

And they did so in a "green" manner, the Ewoks carbon footprint was very small on Endor...

Hmm...short hairy beings that speak an unintelligible dialect and talk with their hands...hmmm...just sayin'...

 

I prefer the term "prairie-dogging"

 

They wore no gold chains, and I never saw three of them kick the **** out a fourth so your 'just sayin' is unfounded.

 

No they weren't. The Empire was there, but that was it. They were attacked and responded with a beat down.

Which again, is another reason Star Wars was stupid. Teddy bears beat up the Empire.

May the dork be with you.

 

There's nothing about Jersey Italians that's "green" or are you forgetting Aqua-Net, which to them, is pheromones in a can.

 

Only with the help of Chewbacca and the Rebels.

 

Nope. The Rebels and Chewbacca needed their help.

 

Allegedly

So true.

 

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOGMCKVWamA&feature=related"]YouTube - Star Wars vs. Star Trek Part I - Kirk vs. Vader[/ame]

 

I saw a bi-sexual nerd today.

He had Star Wars and Star Trek bumper stickers.

 

and vice versa.

it was an elaborate plan and alliance that gave the Empire their ultimate defeat.

The emperor put his eggs in the proverbial basket,...and that basket got blown up.

Star Wars as a political vehicle and moral tale is just vastly superior.

it is not even CLOSE.

 

Wow.

Good vs. evil. That was the extent of Star Wars political message.

Try having a show that illustrates complex political positioning among four or more races, while aboard a international peace keeping craft. Oh wait, that would be Star Trek.

Star Wars is superior at Americanizing anime.

 

/nerd mode on

It was a little more complex than that. While the Empire may have been viewed as "Bad" and The New Republic "Good", I think there's a deeper political message there.

The Empire was...well, an Empire. They wanted complete control in the Galaxy, whereas the Rebels fought for Democracy and balance in the Universe.

I go back to the comparison my friend used about comparing the Empire and Sith to Hitler's Nazi regime. One group of people trying to seize control over the world while eliminating anyone in their path.

I always thought Star Wars had a nice blend of religion, politics and philosophy. It's also a story of redemption. There are numerous times in the films where a character faces a moral decision to right one of his wrongs (Han Solo re-joining the Rebels, Lando helping after selling out Han, Vader saving Luke, etc.)

/nerd mode off

 

I don't like either one.

 

Every sci-fi story is about the concepts you put forward. Star Wars broke no new ground on those things or even did it better than any other. You can pull from it whatever you want and find ways to make it correlate to other things, but making much of the movie about the force, and its, um good and evil sides, is clearly the overall theme of the movie.

P.S. nerd can't be switched on and off. Just embrace it.

 

If you want to argue complexity..you are arguing the losing side.

Int he star wars universe...you have a political history that is not only interesting and not implausible...but that teaches us alot about relativism and systems of governance.

Star Trek was basically a United Nations peace keeping mission repeated over and over and over...and over...

 

Complex?

"Force good, force bad, you only choose." That was a quote from King Yoda.

The Empire was run by Mister Evil. There was no nuance, no underlining, no nothing, but the darkside. Good vs evil. good wins we party with teddy bears, fade to black.

 

not true.

The Empire was born of economic need....and a political need to consolidate and POLICE the universe for trade. It was born of a need to have a real super power.

The VERY FIRST REBELS were economic refugees. Not political ones.

It was the Empires response to putting down it's first insurgents that caused the rebels to grow with a bunch of different factions..and their actions led to political strife.

The Jedi were a religous and military order that only chose sides when presented with Tyranny.

The star systems had a parliament with WEIGHTED VOTES that voted on everything from trade agreements to galactic laws. it was the Empire that brought order to that body and then disbanned it in order to bring the insurgents into line.


So....nope. Star Trek's complexity? none.

 

Always wondered what Pagan had inked on his back.