Sports Buzz ....Tanny gets rave reviews...Scout disses our WRs

Essentially what is keeping you optimistic is the possibility that you're wrong. I don't know why people aren't willing to just come out and say that. I don't think there's a Jordy Nelson or Greg Jennings on roster but I look forward to seeing if Brian Hartline, Rishard Matthews or Derek Moye prove me wrong.

But I'm not about to confuse hope for a plan. This receivers unit kind of sucks, I'm happy to admit that. It needs a lot of work. You have to put on your evaluators hat and tell people what you see as the most likely scenario to come out of this.

 

And that is ok for you to do. You are focused on being as objective as possible. As a fan it is ok for me to find some misplaced optimism. I am not reporting news with the intention of being objective. While I believe you are a fan, you are also into evaluating and rating talent. I will do that as a fan, but that is not my primary focus. I do hope sincerely that you and I are very wrong regarding the assessment of wr talent.

 

Why does it have to be simply hoping that these guys improve? Why isn't it reasonable to believe that they'll be developed? I have no problem saying that the WR unit isn't very good right now, but at the same time I recognize that they clearly feel they will develop the talent they have on the roster.

 

Personally I'll take lesser talent in a great system over great talent in a ****ty system, which is what we have had. That is why I see the offense being much improved over last season.

 

I believe that he has as good of a chance of developing as Nelson had in 2008.

 

As black and white as I hear some want to be here, it is a gray area when it comes to player development. A guy like Hogan may come out of no where. Or Cunningham may surprise the strongest critic. It is hard to say yes or no, and it is ok to hope you are wrong about a guy.

 

That's the point many here are missing. I see enough talent on the roster at the skill positions to produce at the level the 2008 GB team produced. That is not inherently a correct or incorrect statement. It is not inherently an optimistic or pessimistic statement. That is simply my objective evaluation. Somebody who has made a different evaluation can disagree with it, but that opinion has as much value as my own.

 

I agree, I don't see it.

 

Funny to hear you take this angle when you continually tried to stipulate in another thread that "talent" or "potential" is worthless and that it's all about the numbers.

It's a joke around here at times.

 

I don't disagree with that at all.

A great system with great game planning can absolutely cover holes and win games.
While there's only so much a couple great players can do on a team that's poorly prepared. Everyone will just focus on stopping those weapons without worry about being challenged from anywhere else.

However, a great system does not negate great talent which is what many are running with.
You get a great system and put great players in it you're talking championships.

The argument that any system negates the importance of top talent is absurd.

 

On no, I've been found out. I say Marshall actually sucked for us because of the time he did in fact play for us he had pedestrian numbers. But someone else wants us to say straight up if someone is going to be good or not without seeing them play for us.....and I'm hypocrite?

Yeah, ok, Reefer, you sure got me.....

The joke is you.

 

1000 fist bumps for you. I couldn't agree more and this is something which I've been meaning to mention. Yes, it's complete hogwash. As of late, I've been a bit shocked by the extent that some people are taking this Philbin/Greenbay/Walsh/Niners/WCO/etc, system and we don't need great players to run it successfully thing. Especially when those teams have and had GREAT talent. It doesn't matter what system a team uses, you need great players to be great. Our receivers are mostly late round to UDFAs. I always have hope, but yikes.

 

The joke is your lack of consistency in these arguments AND the need to continually resort to the personal attacks.
I'll take you calling me a joke as a compliment.
It's like having a snail call you slimy.

 

I say potential doesn't mean anything with a player that has played in a starter capacity for us, because you know, we've seen him play. I also say I can't determine if a player I haven't seen play for us is good or not without using potential as a factor.

And you think that's a contradiction? Really?

I was wrong you're not a joke. There's nothing funny about this.

 

I agree nothing funny at all.
Why would you need to consider potential?
It's all about numbers.
Just project the numbers these rookies had in college since it's not at all about talent of a player or the role a specific type of system may have on numbers or the talent surrounding a player, etc. etc.

 

I'm still trying to figure out how you think I'm contradicting myself.

- I don't think Marshall needs a defense of his abilities for us based on potential, because I've seen him play for us for 2 seasons and his numbers were consistent.
- When it comes to the receivers not named Bess or Hartline, I haven't seen enough of them playing for us to make a determination on them without using potential as a factor.

So basically I'm saying, when there's no significant data, you have to use potential. If there is significant data, then potential is meaningless.

Its not my problem you are incapable of understanding that. Take a class. Practice thinking. Ask a friend. I don't care, but to jump out of nowhere, attack me and call me a joke for no other reason than your inability to comprehend something is..lame.

 

I am putting myself in a oposing defensive coordinators shoes and look at it like who im the hell on our roster that scares other defenses ? nobody but that doesnt mean that they cant be sucessful . if you put yourself in the media or outsiders view do you really thing we have good wrs . is so then that person doesnt know talent . i say that because if outsiders can see it then chances are we are not good there. I heard some host that was thinking that Miami will be betteron the oline and defense but we are still the same at wr and te.

i say the tightend and runningbacks will carry us and like a other poster said we may be going toadress wr next year.

 

Someone from another team will be a surprise cut. Still a long way till the season starts, and I don't see our staff overlooking this glaring need.

 

This will be D Bess breakout season. He was born to play the Z in this offended. The HI offense was all timing and reading the D. and Bess was one of the smartest wrs I have ever seen. Some games it looked like he and Brennan were playing on FF.