Sports Buzz: pre-combine look at Dolphins' first round options

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  1. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    “You better start supporting your young quarterback,” Mike Mayock said of the Dolphins on an NFL Network conference call this week. “And the best way to do it is either at wideout or offensive line. The o-line options are going to be a heck of a lot safer than the receiver options at 12.”

    But Missouri’s 295-pound Sheldon Richardson is more of a Randy Starks type and would be in the mix for Miami if Starks leaves. So would UF’s 303-pound Shariff Floyd, who is “skyrocketing and scheme versatile,” Kiper said. But Mayock believes Floyd is now a top-five pick.

    Linebackers: Georgia’s Alec Ogletree is rated eighth by Kiper but had a drug suspension last season and a recent DUI arrest. And Mayock says Notre Dame’s Manti Te’o should go around 20th. And both are best at middle linebacker, which isn’t a Dolphins need because of Karlos Dansby.

    Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/#storylink=cpy
     
  2. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    In the end I just don't think this front office has it in them to take a wide receiver at 12 overall.

    And Cordarrelle Patterson may not even be available at that pick anyway.
     
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  3. alen1

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    They'll be taking a tackle.
     
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  4. ckparrothead

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    The shame of that is it would be unpopular in the extreme, but Lane Johnson is a really, really, really good player IMO.
     
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  5. alen1

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    So is Eric Fisher.
     
  6. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Key here
     
  7. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    I think that they would if there was a clear cut top talent that might be available at #12 that didn't involve a significant amount of risk- there isn't. For the sake of keeping the fan base excited about the team and more so to improve the team, they'll probably get a top FA WR and then one in the draft, maybe two. If they sign Bowe maybe they can get Wheaton to balance him out, if they sign Wallace maybe they go with Bailey or Patton. I'd rather do it that way and have Bess and Hartline, if they're around, carve out their own new roles- they're role players, bottom line imo, Hartline should make an offering to the gods if he gets 4-5 million per year.

    I'd still like to see them take a look at Goodwin and Rogers/Wilson despite the off field issues. I came across another interesting but legally challenged WR, Darryl Stonum. Maybe worth a 7th rd pick but someone I'd consider in FA for sure if he's over his issues and not a bad kid. Size, speed and an accomplished KR.
     
  8. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think if they nail their free agency with a nice combination of weapons, for example, Jennings/Finley, or Wallace/Finley, maybe even the ignorant part of the fanbase would be ok with taking great talents like Johnson, Fisher, Cooper, Warmack..

    Like hearing exciting things about my two favorite defensive players in the draft, Dion Jordan is gonna be special..

    Love the quote about Sheldon, he plays like a 250 lb linebacker."
     
  9. padre31

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    Mayock, has it backwards, that is old thinking a bit.

    Your Qb is supposed to make those around him..better...that is the value in the position

    I do expect Ireland to take a Tackle, I think he is such a balless wonder that it will seem like a logical move when reality is, you need playmakers, they are found normally in the upper portions of the draft, we never take them, thus we have none and expect the trend to continue.

    Unless Ireland can break out of the Parcellian approach, we will be a .500 team, and that is assuming we keep most of the FA's, which we probably won't.
     
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  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    so you must be all in on Patterson right?
     
  11. ckparrothead

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    He does. Part of the reason I'm more intrigued to see what he can do as an actual end than as a defensive tackle.
     
  12. djphinfan

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    Then this is where I get a bit confused about the Richardson /Floyd debate..I do not see Floyd with this kind of versatility you talk about and I do with Sheldon..they both could play the three technique, but I don't believe Floyd has the agility and speed to play outside. I do with Richardson...If the kid runs in the 4.7's as he predicts, combined with your inclination that he could play outside, would you move him to the top of our list for a defensive player at 12?

    Problem is, if he runs that fast, he won't last.
     
  13. Boomer

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    I KNOW what Coyle has said about Odrick only being an end, but hey guess what.......coaches lie!

    I know! It hurts doesn't it!

    If they think a 30 year old Randy Starks is wearing down and don't want to give him the seven million a year he's asking then you kick Odrick inside next to Soliai and you take Richardson and play him right end. Not only does it give you a stallion at end, he and Odrick are interchangeable and that is a nice option to have!!
     
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  14. djphinfan

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    That's what I've been trying to say for months.
     
  15. padre31

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    That would make a lot of sense.

    I'd also like to see them keep McDaniel tbh, imo he is good depth, can start at either DT or DE.
     
  16. ckparrothead

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    I would kick Odrick inside. Absolutely.

    I just don't know if he'll actually succeed there, based on what I saw of him there in 2012.

    But it can't be worse or more pointless than what we've seen from him at End. We could get the same level of play from Derrick Shelby or Olivier Vernon, very nearly.
     
  17. jim1

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    Color me biased at this point, but if Long bolts I'd probably go with moving Jon Martin to his natural LT position and draft Watson to play RT if available at 2a. And as to Long, I like him but his "yeah, I'd consider going back to Miami" attitude is rubbing me the wrong way.
     
  18. MrClean

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    Fisher at this point appears more likely to go first of the two, and less likely be on the board when we pick. I think that's why many seem to mention Johnson more often. I've not seen a mock draft yet with Fisher available at 12. Several have shown Johnson available, most of them do. It seems either Arizona at 7 or San Diego at 11 are most often mocked as taking Fisher.
     
  19. Finsanity247

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    Sheldon Richardson-Dion Jordan-Tyler Eifert-Cordarrelle Patterson-Lane Johnson in that order
     
  20. Gunner

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    He is my preference at #12 if they let Long walk
     
  21. Gunner

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    The annual "I'm not working out at the NFL Combine" parade as begun. Keenan Allen and Barkley are the first two I've seen mentioned.

    If guys have legit injuries issues I am cool with that. But, if as some evaluators have intimated these guys are creating BS excuses just to opt out, then I think they should just remove those guys who are doing that and add others who were originally left off the list and willing to participate.
     
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  22. rafael

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    I don't see any reason to believe Miami wouldn't take a WR at #12 if there was one there they liked. I just don't see the value in either of the WRs being projected at #12 relative to the ones projected in the second round.
     
  23. Boomer

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    Allen is really struggling with injury. His is legit. I think Barkley's shoulder is legit too.
     
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  24. BuckeyeKing

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    Tackle is deep this year I'd be pretty upset if we went tackle at 12.
     
  25. LBsFinest

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    there is always a perception before the draft that the draft is "deep" at this position or that position but that might not always end up to be the truth. i have heard a lot of people say this draft is deep at WR, and while i agree, last year's draft was considered deep at the position too and out of all the WRs taken in the 2nd or later only TY Hilton and Givens made much of an impact right away. I would take Patterson over any WR in this draft and last year's draft. you might disagree, but my point is, Patterson is worth taking at #12. i think the comparisons to Julio are legit, they're both 6-3, CP is not as big and physical as Julio but he's just as explosive and he's actually better in the open field.
     
  26. CANDolphan

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    Last year's draft was by no means considered deep. Where did you get that impression?
     
  27. Bpk

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    By the old gods I pray you be right. Honor the gods. Honor the carneia.
     
  28. Bpk

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    This is where short sighted lack of vision bites guys like Ireland in the ***. To move Odrick inside and have him not wear down in Starks role, he needs to put on ten pounds, maybe fifteen. That takes time, meaning you have to know ahead of time, have a plan, and ask him to start bulking up now... Not after the draft.
     
  29. rafael

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    I don't have nearly as high of an opinion on Patterson. I would have had Blackmon well above Patterson. I have CP about with Kendall Wright from last year. I think he has upside, but also bust potential. I would prefer to take Bailey or Hopkins in the 2nd this year. I also don't see last year's WR draft as deep.
     
  30. djphinfan

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    Agreed on Blackmon.
     

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