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Sports Buzz : Lazoring on Tannehill

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  1. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

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    Its good to hear Lazor verbalizing a lot of our apprehensions about Tannehill .Hopefully it will result in a better performance.:yes:


    And it seems Philbin is serious about trying Misi at MLB
    There is a lot more to read in this edition of Sportsbuzz
    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/
     
  2. Brasfin

    Brasfin Well-Known Member

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    Here's Bill Lazor's presser:

    http://www.miamidolphins.com/multim...hll_More/c6007255-3f45-490b-98a7-5ffd021c7213

    Came away very impressed with how he well he communicates and how focused and organized he seems to be. Looks like he knows exactly what needs to be done to get the offense up and running and how to do it. I liked what he said about the QB position and how Tannehill needs to progress. I like how he wants to get the opposing defense off balance with the up tempo offense and unpredictability in the snap (which means no more GO and GO, GO! :hi5:).

    Now let's see if he can walk the walk because he can surely talk the talk.
     
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  3. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Great stuff!

    Loved this:

    Just as you noted. That seems to demonstrate that Lazor recognizes precisely what Tannehill's problems were last year - afraid to release the football. You have to trust the receivers, the offense and the team.
     
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  4. DPlus47

    DPlus47 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If Tannehill can shake that reluctance to release the football, he will develop a better relationship with Wallace and with getting the ball downfield in general. He did have a terrible o-line, but it is possible to have a terrible o-line AND hold the ball too long. Look at Aaron Rodgers' first couple of years as a starter for an example of that.
     
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  5. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Wow that was refreshing to see a coach talk about specifics within the game instead of the bland "Well we'd like to see improvements in all areas. More TD's less INT's."
     
  6. 77FinFan

    77FinFan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He seems to bring some intensity, which I'm all for.
     
  7. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I always hear about how coaches have to be this or that persona wise....I feel like you need a good mix of personalities on your staff. You need the hard ***. You need the guy you feel comfortable talking to about anything that is going on. You need the coach who can remain calm under pressure. You need the coach who pushes you.

    This staff definitely needed some fire behind it. Hopefully Philbin being more laid back in approach to players and Lazor being more passionate will be a good mix.
     
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  8. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Huge difference between Lazor and Philbin at the podium, Philbin talks exactly like how he looks: dead. Lazor is lively and actually answers questions honestly.
     
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  9. 77FinFan

    77FinFan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Philbin is dishonest?
     
  10. jpep13

    jpep13 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    love that AARP Foundation in the background- oh vey south Florida
     
  11. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Tannehill looks like he has put on some muscle himself...


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  12. Da 'Fins

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    Lazor is a very impressive coach. Really love his intensity, intelligence and approach
     
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  13. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Club Member

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    DJ is gunna be happy... :D
     
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  14. 77FinFan

    77FinFan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I was thinking earlier what if we had just drafted him as a WR? 6'4" and 220ish lbs, 4.5 forty? I haven't really watched tape of him as a receiver, but on paper you'd have to give him a bit of a notice.
     
  15. I think he is

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  16. 77FinFan

    77FinFan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Want to elaborate? Serious question.
     
  17. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    All NFL head coaches are liars. Not a single one tells the truth during PCs.
     
  18. No specific examples readily come to mind but he does mislead with some of things he says. He also likes to deflect blame from himself when answering questions. Not taking responsibility for his deficiencies is a form of dishonesty.

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  19. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    My #1 improvement from Tannehill. Deep ball is a close #2.

    Excited about tannehill this season if the oline doesn't fall to pieces this year.
     
  20. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    While this post will probably not be liked its something I want people to read and really think about. This is Tannehill's first year inside a new offense. One that is completely foreign to him, not the same offense he was accustom to at Texas A&M and his first two years here. There will be some kinks to work out. The growing pains associated with adjusting to a new offense will bear their head some this season. I love Lazor and I'm a huge Tannehill fan, but I don't think the transition will be as smooth as most people here think it will be.


    This is just one of the reasons why I could see us finishing this year 6-10 to 11-5. I'd be more adpt to bet that we finish 7-9 or 8-8. Just my two cents.
     
  21. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Tannehill is a pretty smart kid. I don't think there's going to be many issues with him. After a summer and camp worth of reps, I think he'll be just fine.
     
  22. djphinfan

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    and playing speed, i still didnt feel like the game had slowed down for him...i undesratnd thats hard when you have as poor of oline as we had, but theres no more excuses..time to not be afraid to make a mistake.
     
  23. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    head coaching material maybe.

    ''as far as our offense goes, we wanna be fast, protect the ball, and be explosive.''

    thats philibin...

    he did hire lazor though.
     
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  24. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    No, he's just boring and looks dead.
     
  25. LBsFinest

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    This linebacking corps is as uninspiring as it gets. Misi and Wheeler wouldn't start on 80% of the teams out there. This unit needs to be completely revamped next offseason.
     
  26. 77FinFan

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    He's never struck me as doing that, but different take on what we see I guess. One thing from last year that impressed me was a presser when we started 3-0 and he was all business, not impressed w/ their record at that point, just level headed.
     
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  27. Da 'Fins

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    After talking about teaching fundamentals (footwork, etc.), and how the coaches need to be great teachers - and that everything is communicated clearly about what they want and how to do it, Lazor said:

    "As we are on the field we started with how we want them to play physically. Playing with great fundamentals, footwork, base, playing on a certain tempo. As I finish studying the practice today, I want to see the ball coming out on time, letting his footwork tell him when to throw, and I want to see that he trusted us that this is the way it needs to be. The quarterback has got to play at game speed - every day in practice. The receivers will catch up to him, but the quarterback has got to play at game speed and that's the first thing we are trying to do with Ryan from the very beginning ... the only way to learn it is to do it."

    This is very good stuff. I hope Lazor succeeds because he is a very good communicator and I think can be a good head coach.
     
  28. Killer Bees

    Killer Bees Bringin' the Ruckus

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    Wheeler was a starter in indy and oakland before signing here. I agree we need help in the LB department but you just love throwing out your irrational hyperbole opinions.
     
  29. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    We need an exciting, energetic, effusive speaker when at the podium as our head coach. Someone like Belichick.
     
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  30. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I'm optimistic about a coach that will ride Tannehill harder because I have a feeling that Mike Sherman and Zac Taylor became so used to Ryan Tannehill that perhaps they were inclined to let certain things go because they'd gotten acclimated to them...and that's not good for a player that is still developing.

    HOWEVER, as always you have to hold some of these statements up to scrutiny lest we all fall into the same trap of every off season where the coaches all talk big and use buzz words like "aggressive" and "attacking" and "play fast", etc...and we get all starry-eyed thinking they're geniuses for wanting the same things every football coach in the history of the game has wanted since time immemorial.

    To that end, something I'm a little confused about is the concept that Tannehill's problem is he needs to get the football out of his hands. Consider this:

    1. Nick Foles took an average of 2.88 seconds to throw the ball in 2013. He held the ball 2.6 seconds or longer on 61.2% of his drops. Both of these were good for highest place in the entire league. Literally no quarterback (that met certain playing time standards) held the football longer than Nick Foles prior to the throw.

    2. On the other hand, only a total of 6 (out of 26) quarterbacks got the football out of their hands on average more quickly than Ryan Tannehill did in 2013.

    I fully believe that there were DEEP BALL plays that needed to be sped up, particularly focusing on Tannehill's footwork to speed up the execution of the play, and so I was glad to hear Lazor talk about Tannehill's feet bringing him to his throw more quickly.

    However, on the other 95% or whatever of throws that constitute a quarterback's work...getting the football out of his hands "on time" has not been an issue for Ryan Tannehill.

    I think a good part of the deep ball problem lies in the foundation of the play design. There's only so quickly you can execute a play-action pass with an off-center mesh point where Tannehill has to turn his back to the defense, sprint out to the off-center mesh point, curl back around, locate the defense and then release the football. There was often too much backfield action relative to how long a guy like Mike Wallace needs to get open. Tannehill's feet need to speed up on these plays but the plays themselves need to meet him halfway.

    So far I'm positive on Lazor, the way he presents himself as being hard on Tannehill. I'm positive generally on the concept of speeding up Tannehill's feet, particularly if he means deep ball plays. There have been some some references to horizontal stretch option plays that was pretty unique to Philadelphia last year, and I was a big fan of them.

    But a lot of the stuff coming out in the particulars of how he's going to change things around Miami don't have substance. Stuff about changing the tempo...Miami already had fast tempo. They were very similar to Philly in how they manipulated their tempo. Stuff about Tannehill getting the ball out more quickly, Tannehill already got the ball out quickly on the overwhelming majority of his plays. That was not the problem. The new offensive coordinator is not going to impress me by talking about tempo and getting the ball out of Tannehill's hands more quickly (unless he's specifically talking about the deep ball).

    There are certain significant changes we're just not going to know about until we see some more of the on-field product.
     
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  31. PhinishLine

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    Can't mistake discretion and misdirection for dishonesty. I highly doubt Philbin is trying to be malicious in his answers, but he's got a job to do that entails not CNNin' the entire foreign policy of the Miami Dolphins for the media.
     
  32. Brasfin

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    Well in fairness to Bill Lazor, he did not say Tannehill needed to get the ball out quicker.. what he did say is that the QB's in general had no problems with timing (paraphrasing). His biggest criticism of Tannehill is probably his footwork and play speed, which IMO, means processing information and making the decisions fairly quickly, not necessarily "throwing the ball quicker" as you seem to put it.

    In regards to the tempo, he said that "tempo" to him, usually refers to the amount of time taken between the break of the huddle to the snap of the ball, which to me indicates unpredictability as to when the ball would be snapped, catching defenses off guard... that, IMO, is not something we saw last year.

    Another thing that Lazor said is that in his analysis he was specifically talking about what he saw on the field, and not what he saw on tape. So his comments were mostly targeted at how the QB's we're running HIS offense right now and not comparing what they did in last season's offense.
     
  33. Triggercut

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    People are just happy to hear someone say something they agree with, of course we gotta see it to believe it... I was encouraged with the talk of screens run, various Wr/Te positioning, and a deliberate attempt to move the QB. Was discouraged at Tannehill's accuracy issues in his reps, and continuing Deep pass issues (excuse away...). Hopefully Lazor is a man of his word, and Tannehill's reign hasn't gone to his head, though he seems a humble and willing guy.
     
  34. PhinishLine

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  35. sandcastle

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    Perhaps, it something Lazor discovered from watching old practice tapes. If so, it could provide a way to demonstrate a change in philosophy, help receivers get into football shape, and improve YAC.
     
  36. cuchulainn

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    Tannehill's footwork and stances have needed work for a while. I was happy to read a few days ago that Lazor had changed the QB stance under center to the old Dan Fout's type stance with the left foot further back, so that the QBs are further away from the Center once the ball is snapped, allowing for the QB to be further from the line, have a better view of the field, and decreasing any chance of having the center step back on the QBs foot.

    A lot of ball placement issues and such is dependent upon proper footwork and timing. Tannehill didn't just lead the league both short sacks and overall sacks, he was also under constant pressure from the edge, usually the right side. Also, it's easy to climb the pocket in such situations, IF one exists, but it often didn't, so a lot of times he wasn't stepping into a lot of throws or was shuffling to his left as he was trying to throw and this leads to bad habits in the footwork. Improving the OLine and having an established QB coach in Lazor should be able to correct a lot of these type issues.
     
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  37. ckparrothead

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    Problem with that observation is that was already happening in 2013, frequently.

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    In my opinion a big part of the problem was that the tackles were dominated on their inside shoulders. When the pressure is coming from the tackle's inside shoulder the answer isn't for the quarterback to just step up. That makes the pass rusher's path to the quarterback even easier. They always school pass rushers when they're facing mobile quarterbacks to "stay in your lane". Pass rushers were able to pressure Tannehill while keeping their lanes. That's why it was so hard for him to just try and step up and out like he's been taught.
     
  38. cuchulainn

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    How often was that stance used last season? Also noticed from that clip that we deployed both TE's, Sims (#80) and Clay (#42), into routes though that was a quick drop and Tannehill never looked anywhere but to his left. What was the result of the play? Quick hitch to Hartline?
     
  39. Sceeto

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    I think, for the most part, he is referring to the deep ball. We all, obviously, have seen Tannehil be solid on the short to intermediate throws. I think the "getting the ball out of his hands quicker" comment also implies that Tanne needs to throw with better anticipation. He needs to learn to throw to a spot rather then waiting until the last second and trying to drop it in the breadbasket or lazer it in there.. I think he does need improvement in that area. Several of these factors could go into his comment. Play design could also maybe play a part.
     
  40. vt_dolfan

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    Right...Lazor never said Tannehill needed to get the ball out quicker..Omar Kelly did. I watched the PC...and I never saw him state anything specific in regards to Tannehill other then what he expects. The part I took to heart, is when he said..."If you see a QB hold on to the ball..or pat the ball, you know Im not gonna be happy"...that and.."Teaching them right and then making sure you hold high expectations all the time."

    I cant wait for preseason..thats all I can say. From the sounds of it....our Offense is gonna look alot different.
     

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