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Sparano: Wildcat era has only just begun

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Sceeto, Feb 19, 2009.

  1. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    http://blogs.usatoday.com/thehuddle/2009/02/sparano-wildcat.html

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    Wooo! Ronnie!!
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    Ha! Success breeds imitation or whatever. :D Pat White anyone? ;) ...sorry.. .not me, unless it was for a 5th or lower, though the possibilities are fun to think about. :)
     
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  2. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    So does that mean a player like Pat White could be drafted?
     
  3. 124

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    Stuff like this works for a season before teams are game planning it after an entire offseason of studying it. I doubt it will be half as successful in 2009, no matter what "new looks" Sparano & Co put in. I'll say one thing for it though, it certainly helps Pennington.
     
  4. slickj101

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    The key is that we force teams to waste time and energy preparing for it. The possibility that we might use it is enough to help keep our opposition on their toes and offguard.
     
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  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    dissagree...the wildcat is exactly like any other running play....the wildcat is a beautiful thing for us, #1 its all about the man who handles the rock, that man being one ronnie brown, theres something about how he gets the ball deeper in the backfield and is able to pick his hole, he's amazing at it. it also completely keeps a defense honest horizontally.. even if it does'nt work on one play..its basically a mindf@#k for the opponent, its about misdirection, multiple formation, unpredictability. and most importantly, one of thee most talented players in the world handling the ball and making decisions, decisions that not anybody can make just because their a running back.

    Its very very unique to us and we got the NFL by the balls... It sure is fun knowing that we are the innovators of the offense and unquestionably the best at executing it.

    Pat white is in my own personal mock draft.

    Larry english...Louis Delmas..andre caldwell..and Pat White.

    I want us to embrace our diversity not just dismiss it because we wanna be known as a smash mouth football team...I think we can become both. I laugh when people comment about how its a trick play when we run it, its no such thing, its the most simple play in the book....Jet fans are just jealous, thats all....you got no ronnie brown..you got no wildcat..sorry 124, i could'nt resist.
     
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  6. CrunchTime

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    IMO we wont be drafting players specifically for the Wildcat unless their skill set is also what we are looking for in our base offense .After all the wildcat plays are a small percentage of our playbook
     
  7. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The isnt any magic bullet for it. Teams had ample film and time to prepare for it and it still worked week 17. Its simply a matter of teams being able to mismatch their run defense vs our blocking. Even Belichick didnt do anything special the second time, they defended it the same way they did week 3. Its just our blocking had fell apart by that point
     
  8. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    Could this bring Mike Vick back in the fold for some teams?
     
  9. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Crunch?... where's your thinking out of the box brother? Theres only one player that is on the radar {pat white} that iam talking about.

    overall, in some games, imo, the wildcat itself or some derivitive of it was more then just a small percentage. Its about playing off the formation that is dangerous to an opponent.

    Iam not to sure why some of my brothers and sisters are so old fashioned in their projection of this offense..i see an incredible ceiling with it...some sort of Smashmouth wildcat misdirection multiple formation mind fu#k with a bonus henne package throw in just to make you crumble with confusion. attack attack attack, and do it with as many weapons as possible.

    Iam gonna make a prediction and i want some darn respect when it comes true {lol}....Chad pennington is gonna approach the coaching staff and recommend that they devise a package for chad henne to be implemented in our weekly game plan......call me crazy but i for one would be totally excited about it, and i think it would be effective and beneficial for the developement of henne and the offense.
     
  10. 124

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    Its alright buddy.

    Until I see a team win a Super Bowl with the Wildcat as a big part of their offense, I'm not worried about it.

    And, um, I'd still rather Thomas Jones over Ronnie 1 Great Game Brown. He is a good back though. :up:
     
  11. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I would see an addiction specialist, huffing airplane glue is a hell of a monkey to have on your back man
     
  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Excuse me for a second........LOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOL.......Iam not gonna debate you on this, for i do not want to embarrass myself in front of my fellow brothers and sisters on this board by even aknowledging such a homeristic POV.....and believe me, I was voted 2nd on this incredible website that you visit in being its biggest homer, [yeah thats right}...so i know homer buddy, and that statement takes the cake.
     
  13. Agua

    Agua Reality: Try It!

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    That's when we unveil the RABID DOG formation. Wait till ya see that one! :lol:
     
  14. 124

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    How so?

    Take out the Wildcat Opener in New England and take a look at your Ronnie's statistics. They arn't pretty.

    Ronnie Brown in four NFL seasons has ONE 1,000+ rushing season (1,008 yards). Thomas Jones in those same four seasons had 1,000+ yards in all four. He had a much worse start to his career than Brown, but his slow start is what is abling him to produce as well as he is at this point because he barely touched the ball in Arizona and Tampa Bay.

    2008 Ronnie Brown
    214 carries, 916 yards, 4.3ypc, 10 TD

    2008 Thomas Jones
    290 carries, 1312 yards, 4.5 ypc, 13 TD (15 if you include receiving)

    Take out each of their best games and you've got...

    Brown: 197 carries, 803 yards, 6 TD
    Jones: 274 carries, 1174 yards, 11 TD (13 if you include receiving)


    I'm just sayin brotha. :wink2:


    Ronnie has tremendous talent, and he's a good Running Back, but he still has yet to live up to it and Running Backs when they put on 200+ carry seasons don't get any faster as the years progress, especially when they've had major knee surgery. Yes I know because of that surgery he wasn't 100% to start the season (supposedly), and that he could do even better in 2009, but I'll see it to believe it and I don't understand the love affair for a guy whose best season was 1,008 yards. I understand the passing game plays a role in it too, but Running Backs are there to run first and foremost.
     
  15. like2god

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    One thing you have to remember Joe is that Ronnie hasn't gotten the same number of carries that Jones has. Since Ronnie has been in the league he has never had more than 241 carries in a season, he averages just over 200 a year. Jones has never dipped below 240 carries in the past 5 years and averaged about 300 since Ronnie has been in the league. So looking at overall stats isn't going to tell the whole story, you have to look at what they do when given the opportunity and I think Ronnie has done very well. When he was "the man" and getting 20+ carries a game, he showed that he can be a top RB in this league, unfortunately our offense relies on splitting carries.
     
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    Those stats are also a bit weak. I mean if you look at last year when Ronnie got hurt he was averaging 5.1 yards a carry when he got most of the carries. That same year Thomas Jones averaged only 3.6 which is not good at all. In 2007 Ronnie Brown also had more than half the yards than Jones in only 7 games. (Ronnie 602 and Thomas 1119) Thomas Jones also needed 310 carries to get to that mark while Ronnie got more than half the yards in only 119 carries. Ronnie in 7 games receiving had 389 yards and Thomas Jones in 16 games had 217. Brett Favre best asset to the Jets this year was to stretch the field while Chad Pennington usaully provoked another member of the defense to come in the box because of his weak arm.
     
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  17. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    You do have a partial point, 124...the Wildcat won't work like it did against NE the first time because as you said, they've had time to learn to defend it. But it will work.. Even against you guys, we were getting 4-6 yrds a pop with it...that's good enough. Wouldn't you be satisfied with 5ypc ??
     
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  18. 124

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    I guess, but I'm hoping that Rex Ryan can shut it down like he did in Baltimore with our core group, especially if we're able to land either Lewis or Scott to put next to David Harris at ILB. I know Kerry Rhodes isn't the great Ed Reed, but he's good. I know Calvin Pace & Vernon Gholston arn't Terrell Suggs and Jarrett Johnson, but they have the potential to be a better 34 OLB tandem with Ryan coaching them up.

    We'll see what happens brotha.
     
  19. 124

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    I understand that Mike but just because Ronnie didn't have the amount of carries as TJ doesn't mean that he would have the same success in those amount of carries. Also Ronnie has had problems with injuries, that isn't a good thing. Ronnie has to prove it, he hasn't proved it yet. His numbers if you take out the Wildcat this season... well I don't feel like working that all out, but I would think it would be safe to say he would have less than 4 ypc. He has not proved that he is an elite Running Back, not at all. Not yet. When your career mark is 1,008 yards on the ground, you arn't an elite or top back. Is he Top 10? Probably, but he isn't Top 3 or Top 5. Neither is Jones, but I'm still taking Jones at this point.

    This is an argument you and I have been fighting against each other for YEARS and I don't think it'll ever end until Ronnie can run for a couple of 1,200-1,500 yard seasons back to back.
     
  20. like2god

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    Ronnie isn't eilte, but he's done very well when given the opportunity to shine. You also have to take into account supporting cast. Last year we tried to morph into a Parcells run oriented team, minus the players to fit the scheme. We had two major injuries on the interior of the OL and Satele, while he isn't a very good run blocker, was also suffering from a torn muscle. You can't run effectively when you whole interior OL is injured, you just can't. Miami had to get creative and that's part of the reason you saw the wildcat so often. That isn't an indication that Ronnie was horrible last year, rather it's an indication that our run game (more specifically the blocking) was horrible. :wink2:
     
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  21. like2god

    like2god Typical white person Luxury Box

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    Guys, lets not get into the "typical (insert team) fan" stuff, I've seen it a few times already. An opinion is an opinion. Please be respectful. :wink2:
     
  22. like2god

    like2god Typical white person Luxury Box

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    I know brother, I just don't want the thread to get taken down the wrong path. :up:
     
  23. King Felix

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    ronnie has supreme talent, and is one of my favorite players. but as of right now, i'd still rather have thomas jones.
     
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  24. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    It helped us to go 11-5 after a 1-15 season the year before and WIN the division title on the road in Giants Stadium.:up:
     
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    Oh be quiet before you are fired as co gm of the Titans! J/K buddy :hi5:
     
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  26. 124

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    You calling anyone else a homer Travis is funny. :wink2:

    Chad played very well in 2008, just like he did in 2002 with the Jets in his first season (starting) with them. Then it all went downhill from there. Will the same happen in Miami? Tune into 2009 and beyond to find out.
     
  27. 124

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    You know, I always knew I liked you. :up:
     
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  28. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I guess you alright 124, my brothers know your name around here so thats all i need to know, now, you can throw stats all you want but if your gonna seriously tell me you would rather have thomas over ronnie, iam gonna have to recommend a good optometrist.

    Much respect.
     
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  29. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    It's not just us now. We created a monster with this thing. Look at how almost every team started using the Wildcat after we started having success with it. I know it's been used in college and a bit here and there in the pros, but we really started this trend that's happening throughout the NFL now. It's just part of the evolution of NFL play calling. In the NFL today, the offenses in general are becoming more wide open than ever before. There's been rule changes to generate and open up the offenses, etc. It sells more tickets. ;) The Wildcat is here to stay... In it's many forms. I love that it was our staff who had the ingenuity and vision and more importantly, the "juevos" to try it. :D.
     
  30. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Thats clearly the weed talking, not King Felix.
     

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