Signed: Ryan Fitzpatrick
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KeyFinforum_veteran"Nappy Roots wrote:
A damn good leader. His teammates love him. and he will flash some very exciting plays. Perfect stop gap. He also will turn the ball over in bunches at times. But there is nothing wrong with being excited for him as a persona and a flash big player. Breath of fresh air. I love it.
You do realize that you perfectly summarized Matt Moore, don't you? For those that forgot, he was the guy who sat on the bench for 6 years while occasionally stepping in to defeat rivals with 100+ QBR games. Why isn't Matt Moore the starter today? Well, he spent a career behind turn-style lines and took so many hits to the noggin, his brains were basically scrambled.
The "big news" here isn't that we signed Matt Moore II to replace Tannehill...it's that we have a smart, aging vet scheduled to start behind gaping holes in our offensive line. Don't forget we just let two starters walk...one of whom that started more games than anyone last season.
I don't care how good/bad Fitzpatrick may be; he'll just look plain bad if we don't protect him.
Winning football games at any level comes down to winning in the trenches.
TheHighExhaultedforum_veteran"KeyFin wrote:
You do realize that you perfectly summarized Matt Moore, don't you? For those that forgot, he was the guy who sat on the bench for 6 years while occasionally stepping in to defeat rivals with 100+ QBR games. Why isn't Matt Moore the starter today? Well, he spent a career behind turn-style lines and took so many hits to the noggin, his brains were basically scrambled.
The "big news" here isn't that we signed Matt Moore II to replace Tannehill...it's that we have a smart, aging vet scheduled to start behind gaping holes in our offensive line. Don't forget we just let two starters walk...one of whom that started more games than anyone last season.
I don't care how good/bad Fitzpatrick may be; he'll just look plain bad if we don't protect him.
I hope this is the plan.
resnorforum_veteran"The Guy wrote:
You’re choosing who many people believe is the QB with the greatest individual ability of all time to illustrate the importance of the QB’s environment?
Based on what? I just find it pretty incredible that a guy was so underwhelming in college that he was barely drafted, but now he's supposedly the GOAT...and we're to believe that the team environment had nothing to do with it.
Watching Brady, I didn't see anything physically that makes him the GOAT. He doesn't have off the charts arm strength, he doesn't make throws that other QBs can't make. The one trait people say he's elite in is his decision making...but even that I question with the rumors and reports of his in helmet mic not shutting off. Literally nothing about him says GOAT. Just because other people think he's the GOAT doesn't mean they're right, nor does it mean I have to agree.
Other than team wins
Fameforum_veteran"The Guy wrote:
You’re choosing who many people believe is the QB with the greatest individual ability of all time to illustrate the importance of the QB’s environment?
I think it's just a reminder that talent doesn't have to come exclusively from the first round, even though it is statistically more rare and the given example is the statistical outlier.
The following mid-late round guys have won the Super Bowl in the last 20 years:
Tom Brady - Round 7
Nick Foles - Round 3
Russel Wilson - Round 3
Kurt Warner - Undrafted
Brad Johnson - Round 9
There's talent out there.
The Guyforum_veteran"resnor wrote:
Based on what? I just find it pretty incredible that a guy was so underwhelming in college that he was barely drafted, but now he's supposedly the GOAT...and we're to believe that the team environment had nothing to do with it.
Watching Brady, I didn't see anything physically that makes him the GOAT. He doesn't have off the charts arm strength, he doesn't make throws that other QBs can't make. The one trait people say he's elite in is his decision making...but even that I question with the rumors and reports of his in helmet mic not shutting off. Literally nothing about him says GOAT. Just because other people think he's the GOAT doesn't mean they're right, nor does it mean I have to agree.
Other than team wins
The only environmental constant across Bradys long, successful career is Belichick.
Only two conclusions make sense: 1) Belichick would’ve done just as well with lots of different QBs of varying abilities, or 2) Brady has tremendous individual ability.
texanphinaticforum_veteran"Fame wrote:
I think it's just a reminder that talent doesn't have to come exclusively from the first round, even though it is statistically more rare and the given example is the statistical outlier.
The following mid-late round guys have won the Super Bowl in the last 20 years:
Tom Brady - Round 7
Nick Foles - Round 3
Russel Wilson - Round 3
Kurt Warner - Undrafted
Brad Johnson - Round 9There's talent out there.
The exceptions to the rule. We aren't going to make our entire strategy "find an exception". Each one of those also comes with significant caveats, and also most of them organically slipped into their role rather than being deemed an instant starter. Drafting a guy in round 4 and going "Ok bro, the team is yours, let's do this!" is not a viable strategy. If you have a QB and established team already, take guys in the middle/late rounds and see if you unearth something. Otherwise, you go with the main talent and don't waste your picks on a lotto ticket QB.
Fameforum_veteran"texanphinatic wrote:
The exceptions to the rule. We aren't going to make our entire strategy "find an exception". Each one of those also comes with significant caveats, and also most of them organically slipped into their role rather than being deemed an instant starter. Drafting a guy in round 4 and going "Ok bro, the team is yours, let's do this!" is not a viable strategy. If you have a QB and established team already, take guys in the middle/late rounds and see if you unearth something. Otherwise, you go with the main talent and don't waste your picks on a lotto ticket QB.
It may surprise you to know that there's actually a scouting department employed by the team to watch a bunch of tape and try to find talent in every round of the draft, not just one! It's really wild.
It may also surprise you to know that teams have, in fact, won the Super Bowl without spending their entire draft on a single QB.
Now that the team has signed Fitz, it seems Grier may be perfectly comfortable building the trenches and letting his QB come to him.
Nappy Rootsforum_veteran"KeyFin wrote:
You do realize that you perfectly summarized Matt Moore, don't you? For those that forgot, he was the guy who sat on the bench for 6 years while occasionally stepping in to defeat rivals with 100+ QBR games. Why isn't Matt Moore the starter today? Well, he spent a career behind turn-style lines and took so many hits to the noggin, his brains were basically scrambled.
The "big news" here isn't that we signed Matt Moore II to replace Tannehill...it's that we have a smart, aging vet scheduled to start behind gaping holes in our offensive line. Don't forget we just let two starters walk...one of whom that started more games than anyone last season.
I don't care how good/bad Fitzpatrick may be; he'll just look plain bad if we don't protect him.
I watch every bucs game. Their line was trash. He makes things happen under pressure often. He also makes things implode under pressure. You saying "you do realize.." makes it seem as though I said we were going to be good with him or something...
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texanphinaticforum_veteran"Fame wrote:
It may surprise you to know that there's actually a scouting department employed by the team to watch a bunch of tape and try to find talent in every round of the draft, not just one! It's really wild.
It may also surprise you to know that teams have, in fact, won the Super Bowl without spending their entire draft on a single QB.
Now that the team has signed Fitz, it seems Grier may be perfectly comfortable building the trenches and letting his QB come to him.
Thanks for that revelation Sherlock, I am sure it took some mean detective work to pin that one down!
Most teams don't spend their entire draft on a single QB. More than one pick, sure.
Trying to draft a QB in the middle rounds isn't really a viable strategy. That some (generally those with established QBs and teams already) do get lucky once in a blue moon doesn't make any more viable.
The Guyforum_veteran"texanphinatic wrote:
The exceptions to the rule. We aren't going to make our entire strategy "find an exception". Each one of those also comes with significant caveats, and also most of them organically slipped into their role rather than being deemed an instant starter. Drafting a guy in round 4 and going "Ok bro, the team is yours, let's do this!" is not a viable strategy. If you have a QB and established team already, take guys in the middle/late rounds and see if you unearth something. Otherwise, you go with the main talent and don't waste your picks on a lotto ticket QB.
What makes that strategy even less prudent is that it's far from a guarantee of finding viable talent at other positions in those earlier rounds. There is a mere 50% chance that a first-round player becomes a long-term starter in the league, and that figure drops precipitously from there as the early rounds go on.
If it was something akin to a guarantee that you could build the rest of a team by foregoing QBs early in the draft, it might make some sense to employ that strategy, but not with a coin flip's chance or less in that regard.
KeyFinforum_veteran"Nappy Roots wrote:
I watch every bucs game. Their line was trash. He makes things happen under pressure often. He also makes things implode under pressure. You saying "you do realize.." makes it seem as though I said we were going to be good with him or something...
LOL, very fair point sir! =)
Winning football games at any level comes down to winning in the trenches.
KeyFinforum_veteran"Fame wrote:
It may surprise you to know that there's actually a scouting department employed by the team to watch a bunch of tape and try to find talent in every round of the draft, not just one! It's really wild.
It may also surprise you to know that teams have, in fact, won the Super Bowl without spending their entire draft on a single QB.
Now that the team has signed Fitz, it seems Grier may be perfectly comfortable building the trenches and letting his QB come to him.
That would be great if that was the actual path- I'd love nothing more than to see us go T, G, G in the first 4-5 rounds of the draft. I still believe you don't need 1st rounders on line to compete, but since these are quick fills it would make a lot of sense to grab our linemen early.
Winning football games at any level comes down to winning in the trenches.
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Of course teams scout players in every round and find steals.
32 teams are doing that. To find a WB in the 5th, 6th, 7th you are hoping 31 other teams didnt pull the trigger on your one diamond in the rough who you obviously didnt carebabout enough to snag a round early (Which at any position other than QB I'd understand)
It's a crap shoot.
The Guyforum_veteran"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:
Of course teams scout players in every round and find steals.
32 teams are doing that. To find a WB in the 5th, 6th, 7th you are hoping 31 other teams didnt pull the trigger on your one diamond in the rough who you obviously didnt carebabout enough to snag a round early (Which at any position other than QB I'd understand)
It's a crap shoot.
That’s another good point. The available talent at QB is getting drafted earlier than the available talent at other positions. Therefore a QB drafted in round six has less of a chance of being a good player than let’s say a safety drafted in round six.
Another reason why you’re better off drafting your QBs early and your players at other positions later.
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The Guyforum_veteran"Galant wrote:
He was one of the best QBs in the league in 2018.
Surfs Up 99forum_veteranNot going to say Fitzpatrick is 2nd coming of Dan Marino, but I will say that I believe they share a similar trait, the WILL to win. To me, I think that is important in a young locker room. Yes, X’s and O’s matter, but so does the team’s attitude. Bridgewater didn’t work out, but Fitzpatrick might be better for us in the long run.
I guess you can label me as one of those that is LOST, but I think he will be good for the QB room whether we get our franchise QB this year or next.
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The Guyforum_veteran"Surfs Up 99 wrote:
Not going to say Fitzpatrick is 2nd coming of Dan Marino, but I will say that I believe they share a similar trait, the WILL to win. To me, I think that is important in a young locker room. Yes, X’s and O’s matter, but so does the team’s attitude. Bridgewater didn’t workout, but Fitzpatrick might be better for us in the long run.
I guess you can label me as one of those that is LOST, but I think he will be good for the QB room whether we get our franchise QB this year or next.
Definitely important because the quarterback is the focal point of the team, and if he can inspire other players with that characteristic, it can give the team an edge over other teams with similar physical talent but which don’t have that inspiration.
Those are the sorts of things that can win games in a league that’s designed to promote parity in physical talent among teams. If two teams are evenly matched in physical talent, obviously an emotional edge can win the game.
In my opinion Tannehill was short on that particular trait.
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