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Signed: Ryan Fitzpatrick

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Mar 17, 2019.

  1. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    The exceptions to the rule. We aren't going to make our entire strategy "find an exception". Each one of those also comes with significant caveats, and also most of them organically slipped into their role rather than being deemed an instant starter. Drafting a guy in round 4 and going "Ok bro, the team is yours, let's do this!" is not a viable strategy. If you have a QB and established team already, take guys in the middle/late rounds and see if you unearth something. Otherwise, you go with the main talent and don't waste your picks on a lotto ticket QB.
     
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  2. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    It may surprise you to know that there's actually a scouting department employed by the team to watch a bunch of tape and try to find talent in every round of the draft, not just one! It's really wild.

    It may also surprise you to know that teams have, in fact, won the Super Bowl without spending their entire draft on a single QB.

    Now that the team has signed Fitz, it seems Grier may be perfectly comfortable building the trenches and letting his QB come to him.
     
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  3. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    I watch every bucs game. Their line was trash. He makes things happen under pressure often. He also makes things implode under pressure. You saying "you do realize.." makes it seem as though I said we were going to be good with him or something...
     
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  4. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Thanks for that revelation Sherlock, I am sure it took some mean detective work to pin that one down!

    Most teams don't spend their entire draft on a single QB. More than one pick, sure.

    Trying to draft a QB in the middle rounds isn't really a viable strategy. That some (generally those with established QBs and teams already) do get lucky once in a blue moon doesn't make any more viable.
     
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  5. The Guy

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    What makes that strategy even less prudent is that it's far from a guarantee of finding viable talent at other positions in those earlier rounds. There is a mere 50% chance that a first-round player becomes a long-term starter in the league, and that figure drops precipitously from there as the early rounds go on.

    If it was something akin to a guarantee that you could build the rest of a team by foregoing QBs early in the draft, it might make some sense to employ that strategy, but not with a coin flip's chance or less in that regard.
     
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  6. KeyFin

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    LOL, very fair point sir! =)
     
  7. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    That would be great if that was the actual path- I'd love nothing more than to see us go T, G, G in the first 4-5 rounds of the draft. I still believe you don't need 1st rounders on line to compete, but since these are quick fills it would make a lot of sense to grab our linemen early.
     
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  8. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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  10. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    I can't wait to hear about his beard shtick all year.
     
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  11. firedan

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    There is not a lot of joy in Mudville today....
     
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  12. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Of course teams scout players in every round and find steals.

    32 teams are doing that. To find a WB in the 5th, 6th, 7th you are hoping 31 other teams didnt pull the trigger on your one diamond in the rough who you obviously didnt carebabout enough to snag a round early (Which at any position other than QB I'd understand)

    It's a crap shoot.
     
  13. The Guy

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    That’s another good point. The available talent at QB is getting drafted earlier than the available talent at other positions. Therefore a QB drafted in round six has less of a chance of being a good player than let’s say a safety drafted in round six.

    Another reason why you’re better off drafting your QBs early and your players at other positions later.
     
  14. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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  15. The Guy

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    He was one of the best QBs in the league in 2018.
     
  16. Surfs Up 99

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    Not going to say Fitzpatrick is 2nd coming of Dan Marino, but I will say that I believe they share a similar trait, the WILL to win. To me, I think that is important in a young locker room. Yes, X’s and O’s matter, but so does the team’s attitude. Bridgewater didn’t work out, but Fitzpatrick might be better for us in the long run.
    I guess you can label me as one of those that is LOST, but I think he will be good for the QB room whether we get our franchise QB this year or next.
     
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  17. The Guy

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    Definitely important because the quarterback is the focal point of the team, and if he can inspire other players with that characteristic, it can give the team an edge over other teams with similar physical talent but which don’t have that inspiration.

    Those are the sorts of things that can win games in a league that’s designed to promote parity in physical talent among teams. If two teams are evenly matched in physical talent, obviously an emotional edge can win the game.

    In my opinion Tannehill was short on that particular trait.
     
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  18. Galant

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  19. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    Very underwhelming. Next, please.
     
  20. Galant

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  22. invid

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    Even if we had Jake Rudock as our starter, we're most likely going to have to use our 2020 bank of draft picks, as well as some 2021 picks to get our QB next year if this coaching staff is worth their salt for 2019.
     
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  23. Galant

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  24. bbqpitlover

    bbqpitlover Well-Known Member

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    Now we have Fitzmagic and Fitzmagic go figure.
     
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  25. Dolphin Dundee

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    2 jerseys in one!
     
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  26. BicketyBam

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    I am very saddened by this signing....I don't want to root against him. I really like Fitz as a person and I loved rooting for him when he was with the Jets. His first year was magical, until he imploded in the final game against Buffalo. Under pressure to win and get in, he stunk up the joint. But you guys will enjoy him. He's a stand up guy - a real class act. I wish him well other than the two times he plays the Jets.
     
  27. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    No, we won't.
     
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  28. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Well if hes awful....hello top draft pick.

    If hes not...hello not being absolutely pitiful.

    I know we need a QB and I know it will take the draft but still as a fan I find it hard to hope we lose. I still want 16-0 next year regardless of how improbable that is. If it makes sense.
     
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  29. Surfs Up 99

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    LOL! Speak for yourself. He's a Dolphin, so I am rooting for him.
     
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  30. TheHighExhaulted

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    And he has just enough talent to set this franchise back 2 more years.

    If he plays more than 8 games this season it will be a shame.
     
  31. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores

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    When it comes to our franchise QB and the draft etc., I am pretty sure whoever I want won’t happen, so I am just going to accept who we do end up with and try and enjoy the ride. If by luck, we do get a legit QB then I will enjoy it even more because it will be a surprise. Yes, my expectations are low, but I am still going to try to enjoy our team and the players on it. :-)
     
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  32. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    He seems to be a fan favorite on just about every team he’s spent time with. I heard a Bills fan say the other day that he’s never loved a player more than he loved Fitzpatrick. Probably and overreaction, but still telling.
     
  33. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Why do so many people say he will wreck our season with success? Like, he went 2-5 with a WAY better supporting cast and offensively oriented coaching in Tampa. He couldn't keep Crab Legs Winston on the bench.

    I think people are seeing his crazy streak and making more of that than actually exists. He's ... not very good. It's why he's a 36 year old journeyman. He can be capable of some exciting play from time to time, but he is wildly inconsistent and overall is fairly lousy. I wouldn't expect more than 5 wins unless Flores has a genius touch, in which case ****, that would be welcome.

    We have 3 drafts to get a guy. This year, 2020 and then if we strike out in both, 2021 with Trevor Lawrence. We will be ok, there are QBs, we will get one! The question isn't IF we get a QB, it's if we get the RIGHT one.
     
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  34. TheHighExhaulted

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    Yes, he does suck. But if he plays 16 games he's more than capable of pulling wins out of his ***. He can't play more than 6-8 games because if they do draft a rookie they are going to have to get him some burn this season to see if he's got anything.

    Worst case scenario this season for the Dolphins is Ryan Fitzpatrick playing 16 games. Because I can just see them being 3-11 or whatever and this guy wins the last two games just to screw Miami out of a draft position.

    Ultimately, I don't think he lasts 16 games behind this patchwork line they're going to put out this year. Whiich I hope is part of their plan, leaving a rookie or someone like Falk/Rudock who are probably incapable of winning a game.
     
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  35. IdrA

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    Is he gonna start? That oughta be fun.
     
  36. Galant

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    There's no way they're planning a strategy that includes a player being injured. That would be horrible.
     
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  37. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Five wins would put us around the 5-7 picks, which is absolutely within reasonable trading distance, especially if it's a deep class.

    Also, the OL doesn't need to be filled with all stars and first round picks to be effective. Line play is as much about coaching and cohesion as it is about individual talent.

    If we draft a Murray/Haskins, it's likely we see that player come in halfwayish through the season as we saw from a number of QB's this year. If we don't, I'd expect a camp battle between Falk and Fitz and maybe another body. I 100% discount Ruddock as anything but filler. Let the camp winner play half a dozen, then reassess.
     
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  38. Surfs Up 99

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    Daniel Jeremiah pointed out during one of his recent podcast that teams shouldn't look towards the 2020 QB draft class as a sure thing because there is a lot of football still left to be played for those players. I think he makes a good point. I am not sure if we can win with Lock or another guy, but if our FO is high on a guy, I would support it if we took him. The only guy I am not that keen on is Jones because I feel like he is a Tannehill clone. Nothing against RT, but it's sort of like been there, done that situation to me. I want a guy with a little more edge and is willing to take a few more risks.
     
  39. Carmen Cygni

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  40. Nappy Roots

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    This is the firs time I am saying this publicly, because most of the guys that really study the draft disagree with me, but I love Lock. I think he is far and away 1-2 with Murray. If he is there at 13 and we take him, I am going to be ecstatic.
     
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