We only have 2 guys who can play flanker, Marshall & Hartline. BM is playing split end, that leaves Hartline. The coaches don't really have any choice, unless they want to go w/ Moore or Wallace, who don't belong in the NFL at all. So sure, they agree w/ you. Premium players get premium money, that's normally how it works. Scraping by w/ mid round picks and UDFAs will get you exactly where were were last tear. Not sure why your developmental theory doesnt apply to the QB. If there was an elite/great/good set of QBs hitting the market this year, I'd donate to the lets sign his one fund. Same applies at WR. It's not about solving a QB issue, its about improving the passing game in the best way possible. Does that mean you're starting to catch on? Context. I asked several questions in the previous post, you declined to answer any of them. I'm interested in what you were able to see while you were a the games.
For only having two guys who can play flanker Davone Bess sure played a lot of flanker. Getting great play for resources expended? What? There is not an elite/great/good set of WRs hitting the market this year. There's some guys with flashy and big names who do not live up to their hype, and the guys who do live up to the hype are both a ****up away from a year suspension. That you're throwing a bunch of **** at the wall and trying to look technical inappropriately for the conversation hoping I'll back down after I just got done saying what a waste of time noting each others subjective and unprovable analysis would be? Yes. I said as much, didn't I?
Possession in the sense that he does a lot of the little things well to be a solid, reliable receiver, but doesn't excel in the areas that make him a playmaker.
I disagree. The only time Bess played flanker was when Hartline or Marshall were taking a breather and/or injured. He was a slot guy predominantly, which is where he's effective. No doubt. Hartline is a very good bang for buck player. But so is Chad Henne & I'd upgrade him in a second if there were a Sid Rice/Holmes/V Jax equivalent on the open market. If you're open to letting Hart develop in lieu of bringing an upgrade, why not do the same for Henne? Holmes, V Jax & Rice are elite. Edwards and Sims Walker are pretty damn good. James Jones, Jacoby Jones, Steve Breaston, & more. Add in Julio Jones, AJ Green & the other rooks & there are more good WRs available than there are at any other position, IMO. I dont think I've said anything that isn't provable. I certainly wouldnt call it "shidt". You could argue that our resources are better spent elsewhere, I'd probably agree. But supply & demand wise I think we stand a better chance of landing an upgrade at flanker than we do at RB, LG, TE or QB. Perhaps we can have this discussion again during the summer, I think some I told ya so's will be in order. And dont worry, I can take it as well as I dish it out .
That would be outstanding...... and adding Jones would allow Greg to settle in nicely. The scary thing about Little is that most of what you see is his innate ability taking over b/c he's so fresh at WR. IMO he seems to have a natural feel for the position that you just cant teach. I honestly feel this kid can be groomed into an elite player, someone who has a little bit of Hakeem Nicks, Brandon Marshall, and Andre Johnson in him. What I like most about him is what I was saying about Dez----- that, despite being out of football for a long period, he's such a physical playmaker over the 0-10 yard range that all we need to do is find easy ways to get him the ball and let him do the rest. Defenses have to respect this ability, which in turn would allow him to slip by coverage from time to time despite lacking elite speed. Plus the kid is ferocious attacking the ball downfield, and his basketball skills (good enough to play at UNC) make him all the better. If we trade back and acquire a late 2nd, I'd take him there just to make sure he doesn't get away.
I would say you're both right to an extent b/c you're talking about 2 different types of agility...... and yes, Hart's drill times are impressive.
I think you illustrated your point perfectly. Things like route running, decision making, and blocking are little things.
Different kind of quickness. Hart doesn't have close to Bess's short area <inside a 5 yard box> quickness....... and Bess has no where near Hart's quickness in regards to acceleration from yards 5-20. If Davone had Hart's top end speed, then he would be equally as effective (or more so) in the "agility department" beyond 8 yards, but his speed limits him.
How do you mean? I think you might be misinterpreting what I'm saying but I'll wait for you to clarify yourself.
Agreed. Just reminiscing to my QB days, Bess would be a hard guy to throw outside shoulder to. He's short and slow. So you cant throw rainbows for him to run under, and he's not going to high point many balls either. Back shoulder is the best option. Henne seems to trust him more than anyone on back shoulder throws, that has to piss Marshall off b/c Henne will throw in the stands more often than he'll back shoulder BM. Hopefully time and familiarity will fix that.
Ok, gotchya now. I agree with you. I meant "little things" as in: all the individual aspects that go into making a receiver. I didn't mean little as in insignificant.
And where do you propose Davone Bess lined up in the games he, not Hartline, started when all three receivers were healthy? Chad Henne's performance, (even if you treated both positions as equal) was not nearly as good as Hartline's. You can't compare the two. I'm sorry, did Brian Hartline have a total meltdown on the field? And both Holmes and Jackson, as I noted, are repeat offenders of the NFL's substance abuse and conduct policies respectively. Holmes ****ing up is a year suspension, Jackson is essentially at the commissioner's digression, and would be at least just as long likely. And at this point you're just throwing names out with neither rhyme nor reason in this context. Name a receiver you've heard of that is a FA in the draft, any receiver just as long as they are more famous than Brian Hartline. Do you have publically viewable tape?
I don't think GM is saying that those other WRs (outside of the obviously great ones) are necessarily better than Hartline...... but more so that they are a better fit for what this team needs as a #2 in order to better compliment & maximize Marshall & Bess (and our entire offense). If our team needs a reliable, intermediate, possession type WR, then I'd take Hartline over Braylon Edwards (and save the $ in the process)....... and possibly Hart over a few of the other guys, but that's a pretty tough to debate. However, if we're looking for a #2 to be more of a playmaker and a better vertical threat, then Sims Walker, Edwards, the Jones's, and Holmes trump Hartline IMO. I'm not as concerned with who's better than whom as much as I'm concerned with having a guy that best fits our need at the position.
What I'm tryin to to tell you is that when Bess is lined up outside, his effectiveness takes a huge nose dive. Hartline is a much better option in that role. You're acting as if I'm dumping on Hart & that's not what I'm trying to do at all. Not sure how you can quantify that. All I can say is I see more WRs available who are better suited to our offense available than QBs better suited than Henne. That's hilarious. Do you really think Henne had a "meltdown"? By the end of the year Henne was our only chance at winning games. He's more a scapegoat than a problem or a solution. Holmes did pretty well w/ the Jets this year. Vjax scored 3 times as many TDs as Hart in 1/3 of the games played. They arent on the same level, it's silly to even try to compare them. Just gamerewind. But its much more informative than stats.
