Should Ross make a statement??

"ckparrothead wrote:

I don't want Sparano fired. I don't want to change the dynamic. Last year the team proved that it will not play for Tony Sparano, or for pride. They're showing that again. They will keep losing as long as Tony Sparano is leading them. I'd rather they lose than they win. No more papering over the huge cracks in this team. Bust it wide open, fire the coach and general manager, hire someone to re-make the organization from top to bottom, and use Andrew Luck as the carrot that lures the best possible GM/HC choices to Miami.

but that cannot be Ross's thought process..

Whats the best thing to do for our team??..Come out and say Sparano and Irish will be the coach and GM for the rest of the season, and let them hang himself, or not, or make the change now because the first option is just wrong on so many levels, 1 being decisions for the future of the team could be comprimised??

"djphinfan wrote:

but that cannot be Ross's thought process..

Whats the best thing to do for our team??..Come out and say Sparano and Irish will be the coach and GM for the rest of the season, and let them hang himself, or not, or make the change now because the first option is just wrong on so many levels, 1 being decisions for the future of the team could be comprimised??

The right decision is to let them finish out the season.

It's BETTER for Stephen Ross to send a message to any/all prospective Head Coaches, General Managers that may be thinking of applying for the Miami job....a message that says, "I'm a man of my word. If I say I'm giving you another chance, I'm giving you another chance."

I think that's more important than a message he could send that temporarily results in a few more wins (and worse draft position) just because it gets a rise out of the players. Don't try and paper over a huge chasm.

"ckparrothead wrote:

The right decision is to let them finish out the season.

It's BETTER for Stephen Ross to send a message to any/all prospective Head Coaches, General Managers that may be thinking of applying for the Miami job....a message that says, "I'm a man of my word. If I say I'm giving you another chance, I'm giving you another chance."

I think that's more important than a message he could send that temporarily results in a few more wins (and worse draft position) just because it gets a rise out of the players. Don't try and paper over a huge chasm.

I think I agree...He needs to make that statement though.

Let's be real...most Dolphins fans are apathetic right now. The games will be blacked out unless they buy up tickets, which they won't do anymore. What are the 50,000 fans going to start a chant asking Sparano to be fired? Doesn't matter. Most won't anyway.

Let them stay until January, then fire them all the day after the week 17 Jets game or ASAP. Then we can wipe Parcells and the Chokeboys leftovers out of this franchise. The prize for the worst record is #1 pick (and #33 pick!) aka Andrew Luck. I don't want an interim coach who might get 4 cheap wins to ruin that.

I agree with DJ that the most important thing Stephen Ross can do is send a message.

That message doesn't need to go out to the Miami players. Those players are going to get that message in the form of pink slips, eventually. This season is DONE. Don't try and paper over huge gaping chasms with a few cheap wins built of drastic moves meant to get a meaningless 'rise' out of the players. You WANT to know which players play week in and week out for pride, rather than a pay check. It's important to determine those guys.

No, the message Stephen Ross needs to send is to PROSPECTIVE Head Coaches and PROSPECTIVE General Managers, guys who might be thinking of tossing their names in the ring to try and take over this team. Stephen Ross has to send a message of INTEGRITY to those people. He has to send them a message that says, "If I say I'm giving you another chance, I'm giving you another chance. I am not a fickle owner."

If he fires Tony Sparano after only 4 games of the 2011 season, after giving him a contract extension during the off season, what message does that send to guys that you want to come to Miami and be excited about coming here? What message does it send to the likes of Bill Cowher, Jeff Fisher or Jon Gruden?

Stephen Ross already ****ed up once. He stuck his toe in the water on the Harbaugh thing where he should have gone full speed ahead. Either full speed ahead retaining Tony Sparano, or full speed ahead firing him and making Jim Harbaugh an offer he couldn't refuse. He didn't do that. My advice to him now would be NOT to compound that mistake by continuing to build your reputation as a fickle, feckless owner. Be CALM and CONFIDENT. Make good decisions.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I agree with DJ that the most important thing Stephen Ross can do is send a message.

That message doesn't need to go out to the Miami players. Those players are going to get that message in the form of pink slips, eventually. This season is DONE. Don't try and paper over huge gaping chasms with a few cheap wins built of drastic moves meant to get a meaningless 'rise' out of the players. You WANT to know which players play week in and week out for pride, rather than a pay check. It's important to determine those guys.

No, the message Stephen Ross needs to send is to PROSPECTIVE Head Coaches and PROSPECTIVE General Managers, guys who might be thinking of tossing their names in the ring to try and take over this team. Stephen Ross has to send a message of INTEGRITY to those people. He has to send them a message that says, "If I say I'm giving you another chance, I'm giving you another chance. I am not a fickle owner."

If he fires Tony Sparano after only 4 games of the 2011 season, after giving him a contract extension during the off season, what message does that send to guys that you want to come to Miami and be excited about coming here? What message does it send to the likes of Bill Cowher, Jeff Fisher or Jon Gruden?

Stephen Ross already ****ed up once. He stuck his toe in the water on the Harbaugh thing where he should have gone full speed ahead. Either full speed ahead retaining Tony Sparano, or full speed ahead firing him and making Jim Harbaugh an offer he couldn't refuse. He didn't do that. My advice to him now would be NOT to compound that mistake by continuing to build your reputation as a fickle, feckless owner. Be CALM and CONFIDENT. Make good decisions.

Good word.

In the end, I (and it sucks to say this, it really does) just want to lose enough games to be picking #1. And to that end, keeping Sparano makes the most sense. Team quit on him once and it appears to be repeating itself.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I agree with DJ that the most important thing Stephen Ross can do is send a message.

That message doesn't need to go out to the Miami players. Those players are going to get that message in the form of pink slips, eventually. This season is DONE. Don't try and paper over huge gaping chasms with a few cheap wins built of drastic moves meant to get a meaningless 'rise' out of the players. You WANT to know which players play week in and week out for pride, rather than a pay check. It's important to determine those guys.

No, the message Stephen Ross needs to send is to PROSPECTIVE Head Coaches and PROSPECTIVE General Managers, guys who might be thinking of tossing their names in the ring to try and take over this team. Stephen Ross has to send a message of INTEGRITY to those people. He has to send them a message that says, "If I say I'm giving you another chance, I'm giving you another chance. I am not a fickle owner."

If he fires Tony Sparano after only 4 games of the 2011 season, after giving him a contract extension during the off season, what message does that send to guys that you want to come to Miami and be excited about coming here? What message does it send to the likes of Bill Cowher, Jeff Fisher or Jon Gruden?

Stephen Ross already ****ed up once. He stuck his toe in the water on the Harbaugh thing where he should have gone full speed ahead. Either full speed ahead retaining Tony Sparano, or full speed ahead firing him and making Jim Harbaugh an offer he couldn't refuse. He didn't do that. My advice to him now would be NOT to compound that mistake by continuing to build your reputation as a fickle, feckless owner. Be CALM and CONFIDENT. Make good decisions.

Plus I dont think those coaches (or any quality ones for that matter) would want to jump into the middle of a meaningless, losing season, and stick their name on it without any prior preparation.

The best thing Ross can do IMO is show support for his current team..... or at least pretend that he's doing so.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I agree with DJ that the most important thing Stephen Ross can do is send a message.

That message doesn't need to go out to the Miami players. Those players are going to get that message in the form of pink slips, eventually. This season is DONE. Don't try and paper over huge gaping chasms with a few cheap wins built of drastic moves meant to get a meaningless 'rise' out of the players. You WANT to know which players play week in and week out for pride, rather than a pay check. It's important to determine those guys.

No, the message Stephen Ross needs to send is to PROSPECTIVE Head Coaches and PROSPECTIVE General Managers, guys who might be thinking of tossing their names in the ring to try and take over this team. Stephen Ross has to send a message of INTEGRITY to those people. He has to send them a message that says, "If I say I'm giving you another chance, I'm giving you another chance. I am not a fickle owner."

If he fires Tony Sparano after only 4 games of the 2011 season, after giving him a contract extension during the off season, what message does that send to guys that you want to come to Miami and be excited about coming here? What message does it send to the likes of Bill Cowher, Jeff Fisher or Jon Gruden?

Stephen Ross already ****ed up once. He stuck his toe in the water on the Harbaugh thing where he should have gone full speed ahead. Either full speed ahead retaining Tony Sparano, or full speed ahead firing him and making Jim Harbaugh an offer he couldn't refuse. He didn't do that. My advice to him now would be NOT to compound that mistake by continuing to build your reputation as a fickle, feckless owner. Be CALM and CONFIDENT. Make good decisions.

Yup, come out and be confident about retaining him, that sounds right.... When the Owner and GM went out and made an offer to Harbaugh, thus completely undermining the leadership of their coach, I guess Sparano didn't have the makeup in him to keep the team united in the face of such actions, with such limited access during the lockout....Maybe not possible?

I wish I knew the reason why Harbaugh declined the offer..at the time I thought it was about west coast preference and a superior football culture..or it could of been an ethical rejection where he declined knowing there was a mans life being undermined..Man my head is spinning.

"djphinfan wrote:

Yup, come out and be confident about retaining him, that sounds right.... When the Owner and GM went out and made an offer to Harbaugh, thus completely undermining the leadership of their coach, I guess Sparano didn't have the makeup in him to keep the team united in the face of such actions, with such limited access during the lockout....Maybe not possible?

I wish I knew the reason why Harbaugh declined the offer..at the time I thought it was about west coast preference and a superior football culture..or it could of been an ethical rejection where he declined knowing there was a mans life being undermined..Man my head is spinning.

1. We don't know if Harbaugh declined us or if we declined him. He never, to my knowledge, said that he declined us. However Ross and Ireland did say specifically that they declined him, that after meeting with him Ross told him that he should stay at Stanford. So who knows.

2. I realize you think that the turning point for the locker room happened then with that fiasco, but I guarantee it had already happened. The team was faced with a game against the Patriots in Week 17 of the 2010 season in which they were purely tasked with playing for pride, playing for their coach, playing for their system, their belief in each other and what they were trying to get done long term. The Patriots were tasked with the exact same thing. It was a meaningless game for both parties. The Dolphins players weren't just beaten, they QUIT. Re-watch that game. Go do it, if you can. Re-watch it and tell me those players had any faith in what they were doing. They didn't. It emphasizes a simple fact: the less meaningful the game in terms of trying to fight for division positioning or playoffs, etc...the worse the Dolphins have played under Sparano. And that started well before Ross made an ill-fated trip to the West Coast.

maybe ross can add another celebrity owner

It was clear. Like him or not, Ricky was right about it. This team doesn't seem motivated. Henne does...but they're still struggling. It all has to change, but not until January. I was mad when they hired Daboll, wondering why on earth we'd take the guy from Cleveland who had an even worse offense. I then got on board, but my immediate suspicions were correct. Whatever, this regime is done come January.

I think we should keep Sparano and fire the team. These retards are coasting through the games and setting him up.

"djphinfan wrote:

I think he does, there's so much uncertainty, I think he has to let everyone know he either is the coach, or he's gonna be replaced here at the bye..I say that because having a bye with this much uncertainty, cannot be a good thing?..whatta ya'll think, statement or business as usual?

Not saying they never did, but I don't recall Joe Robbie nor Wayne Huizenga ever addressing the media just because the team was having a bad season.

How on earth can anyone say that they would be happy to have their team finnish with the worst record in the league just to pick up the no1 draft? So you like to watch your team be humiliated? There is something seriously wrong with the Dolphins and if they do not wish to become known as joke team in the NFL something must be done immediately. If this means sacking the coach then so be it. It must be done NOW and a replacement put in charge for the Jets game, and he give us some inspiration to kick start the season. We cannot have the Jets beating us!

"ckparrothead wrote:

I agree with DJ that the most important thing Stephen Ross can do is send a message.

That message doesn't need to go out to the Miami players. Those players are going to get that message in the form of pink slips, eventually. This season is DONE. Don't try and paper over huge gaping chasms with a few cheap wins built of drastic moves meant to get a meaningless 'rise' out of the players. You WANT to know which players play week in and week out for pride, rather than a pay check. It's important to determine those guys.

No, the message Stephen Ross needs to send is to PROSPECTIVE Head Coaches and PROSPECTIVE General Managers, guys who might be thinking of tossing their names in the ring to try and take over this team. Stephen Ross has to send a message of INTEGRITY to those people. He has to send them a message that says, "If I say I'm giving you another chance, I'm giving you another chance. I am not a fickle owner."

If he fires Tony Sparano after only 4 games of the 2011 season, after giving him a contract extension during the off season, what message does that send to guys that you want to come to Miami and be excited about coming here? What message does it send to the likes of Bill Cowher, Jeff Fisher or Jon Gruden?

Stephen Ross already ****ed up once. He stuck his toe in the water on the Harbaugh thing where he should have gone full speed ahead. Either full speed ahead retaining Tony Sparano, or full speed ahead firing him and making Jim Harbaugh an offer he couldn't refuse. He didn't do that. My advice to him now would be NOT to compound that mistake by continuing to build your reputation as a fickle, feckless owner. Be CALM and CONFIDENT. Make good decisions.

I sort of get that, but really do you think Gruden is going to say "wow can't believe you didn't stay with Sparano all year", I mean it is not like he would be firing him after going 2-2. Firing him now, just reaffirms his decision in the offseason, we need a change, his mistake, which is obvious to the world, is he kept Sparano as a backup plan and should have never done that. I am sure in hindsight, if he realized the media would find out, that he would have done things differently. Anyway, I see no point in keeping a lameduck coach to show others you are not fickle, when they already know that...

i' m onboard with everything that secures us andrew luck, so that would probably mean we have to keep sparano till the bitter end to have a shot, its only us, minnesota or st.louis, indy that are left winless, both got their FQB already, so we could be in danger that they trade their pick to someone who don' t, dont get me wrong guys i love this team, but in the best interest of the future of this franchise, the less games we win this year, the better it will be

I simply don't see us having a shot at luck. Eventually we will win some games

He needs to report this... "today after close consideration, I've decided that we made a mistake of extending the contracts of Soprano and Ireland and I am making a change" Carl Petersen will be the Interm GM and Mike Nolan will have a chance to show what he can do. That is what should happen but he needs to start the ssearch NOW not to be behind the 8 ball again.

I think he is gone before the next game,if not we are in good shape for the draft.

Sparano will be fired after the Jets game. This team has quit on him and 2 weeks or 2 months isn't going ot make a difference. Rex and the Jets will be pissed after getting hit in the mouth 2 weeks in a row. They are going to come out looking for blood and nothing garners confidence like stomping on another team. It wouldn't surprise me to watch our team unravel on the sideline on national TV. Oh the humanity the huge manatee.

The only thing I want to Ross to say is that he is a $hitty owner and is going to sell the team. The butt-raping this once glorius franchise is receiving under his watch is dispicable.

Ross should never speak in public in the capacity of the Dolphins owner ever again. Just find someone else to talk. And make decisions.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I agree with DJ that the most important thing Stephen Ross can do is send a message.

That message doesn't need to go out to the Miami players. Those players are going to get that message in the form of pink slips, eventually. This season is DONE. Don't try and paper over huge gaping chasms with a few cheap wins built of drastic moves meant to get a meaningless 'rise' out of the players. You WANT to know which players play week in and week out for pride, rather than a pay check. It's important to determine those guys.

No, the message Stephen Ross needs to send is to PROSPECTIVE Head Coaches and PROSPECTIVE General Managers, guys who might be thinking of tossing their names in the ring to try and take over this team. Stephen Ross has to send a message of INTEGRITY to those people. He has to send them a message that says, "If I say I'm giving you another chance, I'm giving you another chance. I am not a fickle owner."

If he fires Tony Sparano after only 4 games of the 2011 season, after giving him a contract extension during the off season, what message does that send to guys that you want to come to Miami and be excited about coming here? What message does it send to the likes of Bill Cowher, Jeff Fisher or Jon Gruden?

Stephen Ross already ****ed up once. He stuck his toe in the water on the Harbaugh thing where he should have gone full speed ahead. Either full speed ahead retaining Tony Sparano, or full speed ahead firing him and making Jim Harbaugh an offer he couldn't refuse. He didn't do that. My advice to him now would be NOT to compound that mistake by continuing to build your reputation as a fickle, feckless owner. Be CALM and CONFIDENT. Make good decisions.

but what if they keep losing CK, can an owner just sit around and allow that to happen without fear's of other problems coming up?..The home record is becoming a fireable offense on its own, and we have 3/4 of a season left?..

I see your point about your ''word as an owner'', but can you continue to lose at this pace?

"djphinfan wrote:

but what if they keep losing CK, can an owner just sit around and allow that to happen without fear's of other problems coming up?..The home record is becoming a fireable offense on its own, and we have 3/4 of a season left?..

I see your point about your ''word as an owner'', but can you continue to lose at this pace?

Short answer, yes. Yes you can continue to lose at this pace.

The fans are no dummies. They know Andrew Luck is at stake. I think the better part of the fans WANT the Dolphisn to lose. They might even come to games to see the march to Andrew Luck. This is a weird, weird year...certain stars are just aligning to where things that you wouldn't think would happen, happen...as far as everyone pretending that Andrew Luck is the best QB that ever lived and we'll win 5 Super Bowls with him on roster, etc. But hey, can't complain. Ride the wave.

"Disgustipate wrote:

Ross should never speak in public in the capacity of the Dolphins owner ever again. Just find someone else to talk. And make decisions.

It doesn't have to be a live statement, it could be written, cause I get your point...

I guess there's word that he's giving him til the bye..