Should Josh McCown start over John Beck this season.

Nah, Beck needs a shot. I would post more but I adopted Fields so I can't do that lol. :D

I think Josh McCown WILL start this season. I doubt Beck will start a game unless McCown falls on his face.

Just so people don't get confused the QB rating is not a %. It ranges from 0-158.3. The 70's are barely passable to be honest.

Mid 80's is what you hope for out of at least a competent starter, and I personally hope for 90's out of whoever our answer at QB becomes (Beck *crosses fingers*).

I know the rating is extremely weighted by touchdowns, which is part of the reason Beck's was so bad last year. But he was also a rookie, and it was obvious some parts of the team played harder when he was not in there.

If he earns the job this year (which I hope he does) the 80's should not be out of reach, but anything more from a 2nd year player on such a sub talent team (on paper) would be a pipe dream, IMO (even though I hope for 90's).

I do not think McCown will be anymore than he has already shown, and that is a QB with a rating around 75.

Note: I don't know how you say his QB rating has only once dipped below 70, since that happened in 2007 and 2002. Also, McCowns numbers were worse as a rookie then Beck's IMO.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

I think Josh McCown WILL start this season. I doubt Beck will start a game unless McCown falls on his face.

I can't really say who I would prefer to see start, I like McCown's toughness, he volunteered to play Wr in Detroit when he wasn't the starting Qb, that tells me he is pretty tough mentally and physically, "but" he just does not have a great track record, it's a passable record for a guy whose bounced around and played for bad teams.

He just doesn't hang unto the ball the way I'd like.

Beck on the other hand, I want to see the #2 arm and the 4.7 40 shine through in his play.

Last year he had ball handling problems same as McCown did.

I think that Sparano may favor the vet, especially with the way Vets hung on in Dallas.

"alen1 wrote:

Nah, Beck needs a shot. I would post more but I adopted Worrell and Fields so I can't do that lol. :D

As his adopted Papa you have my blessing to defend him:yes: I agree my son is going to be the future of this team and he will both earn and show he is this teams QB of the future and now come mini camps and preseason. Our OL will be better then anything he had to defend him last year, and he will have RB & RW taking the pressure off him, and Ginn will catch everything thrown his way. My boy is going to be noticed this year.

"Stitches wrote:

Just so people don't get confused the QB rating is not a %. It ranges from 0-158.3. The 70's are barely passable to be honest.

Mid 80's is what you hope for out of at least a competent starter, and I personally hope for 90's out of whoever our answer at QB becomes (Beck *crosses fingers*).

I do not think McCown will be anymore than he has already shown, and that is a QB with a rating around 75.

Note: I don't know how you say his QB rating has only once dipped below 70, since that happened in 2007 and 2002. Also, McCowns numbers were worse as a rookie then Beck's IMO.

He threw 18 passes his rookie season.

The 70's is still better then Beck or Lemon last yr though Stitches, and I think he knows what side of the pylon the ball is supposed to cross....:wink2:

No John Beck should start Josh McCowon had his chance to prove him self on other teams.
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"padre31 wrote:

He threw 18 passes his rookie season.

The 70's is still better then Beck or Lemon last yr though Stitches, and I think he knows what side of the pylon the ball is supposed to cross....:wink2:

70's is better than last year, but as I said McCown wasn't any better than Beck as a rookie. Who's to say Beck won't improve more than McCown did between year 1 and 2?

And I bet Beck knows what side of the pylon the ball is supposed to be on.

Also, Lemon crossed the plain on that play. It was a TD. Aside from that, I am not going to take shots at the guy for what he did. He thought he was in, it wasn't like he didn't try. He thought he did enough to get the ball in, but it wasn't enough for the refs. I'm sure if he knew they would not uphold it he would have dove. The guy has done that for first downs before, but if he can score without taking the hits, why wouldn't he? It would be needless damage to his body when he was already taking a beating.

Beck WILL start, as he should. I have a feeling not only will he play and do well, but he'll come out slinging and playing at a high level right at the start of this season after all the hard work he's put into the offseason.

Also, you want to throw out 18 attempts as a rookie, so that we discount it from his rating, well look at 5 sacks in his rookie year.

Beck did take twice as many sacks, but he had 6 times as many attempts.

Also, over his career, McCown has a 2min drill QB rating of 67.8. Beck last year, with such a bad year, managed to have a 74.2 rating in the 2 minute drill.

Only if McCown deserves it - that is to say, only if he beats the other QBs on the roster out. No QB should start if they don't deserve it and aren't ready for it.

Stitches wrote:

70's is better than last year, but as I said McCown wasn't any better than Beck as a rookie. Who's to say Beck won't improve more than McCown did between year 1 and 2?

A better comparison would be yr 2 and 3 for McCown, he actually improved across the board between 2003 and 2004, double the yds at 2,500 and more Td then Int's (11 to 10) while being sacked 32 times in 14 games.

And I was kidding about Cleo Lemon, he did run out of bounds and knocked us out of FG range against the Ravens as well..:huh1: but I still liked him, the fact that the Jags let Quinn Gray go and signed Lemon so quickly should say something about his skills.

As for Beck, he is such a blank slate, no one can really say what he may do, and for me, the preseason is not telling for him, he played well last preseason and it did not translate out on the field during the regular season.

"Stitches wrote:

Also, you want to throw out 18 attempts as a rookie, so that we discount it from his rating, well look at 5 sacks in his rookie year.

Beck did take twice as many sacks, but he had 6 times as many attempts.

Also, over his career, McCown has a 2min drill QB rating of 67.8. Beck last year, with such a bad year, managed to have a 74.2 rating in the 2 minute drill.

To be fair though, Beck played very well against Cincy when the game was out of reach, his one TD for the season came in that time frame.

I just have a real suspicion that Sparano and Lee will put the one who shows the most in the pre-season on the field, but that will be heavily leveraged in favor of Beck - more reps with the #1 offense, etc. In the end, though, Beck is the highest QB picked in a draft that the 'Phins have had on the roster since 1999, and will have some financial obligations which could lead them to keep him around and give him more than ample opportunity to win the position. And, I think he deserves that after being thrown to the hounds in the swamp bowls last year in that Mongolian Cluster Flop (a clean-up of an old George Carlin routine and a USMC/USN favorite brand of FUBAR!) of a season...

McCown is much more capable than he has been allowed to show with the teams on which he played, or the coaches who coached those teams. But, I think Beck has the inside track with the current situation. Even if Brohm, Flacco, Henne, or someone of that ilk show up in the draft, and henceforth, in camp, I would still say that Beck has the inside track at the starters role since I would prefer to sit a rookie and not give him the baptism of fire that Beck had last year. It usually doesn't work out - and it sure did not last year. McCown would, I think, have to be dazzling in pre-season and in camp to be declared the starter, or Beck would have to fall flatter than a penny under a steamroller.

I say start out the preseason with Beck as the starter, McCown as 2nd string. then let them play for it. While i want beck to have a fair chance to start, if in the preseason he is outplayed, then i think its fair to say he lost his chance.

If he earns it.....sure

I actually wanted us to go after Josh when he left the Cards, but we didn't. I think we got Harrington then...at any rate, one thing that impressed me about him was his deep ball. He seems to have pretty good timing and accuracy on them.

But I still think that the job is Becks. He's our future (at this point) and we need to give him every opportunity to take the job...

Let's put it this way, if McCown is our starter next year, it is a bad sign.

Who's going to be happy about that?

Besides Josh McCown...

I can't think of anyone.

Ooh, I think I adopted McCown so I guess I'll have to defend him, but its past my bedtime so I'll get after that in the morning, really must get some sleep. I'll dream about McCown now I'm sure of it, so maybe I'll have a better idea how to defend him. (Rats, I wanted Beck but got beat to it)

But to start my responsibilities off right: McCown ABSOLUTELY WILL START NEXT YEAR! (Is that doing my job as his proud adoptive Papa?)

"PhinsRock wrote:

Ooh, I think I adopted McCown so I guess I'll have to defend him, but its past my bedtime so I'll get after that in the morning, really must get some sleep. I'll dream about McCown now I'm sure of it, so maybe I'll have a better idea how to defend him. (Rats, I wanted Beck but got beat to it)

But to start my responsibilities off right: McCown ABSOLUTELY WILL START NEXT YEAR! (Is that doing my job as his proud Papa?)

Good work....just dont be one of those dads that fights people....like randy marsh in the drunk/little league episode of southpark "you wanna go?!" haha

"inFINSible wrote:

Let's put it this way, if McCown is our starter next year, it is a bad sign.

Who's going to be happy about that?

Besides Josh McCown...

I can't think of anyone.

Happy? Not really, but I do think it is important to start the Qb who gives us the best chance to win and be competitive, McCown can do that for us at least.

I'm almost certain that regardless of who we draft, McCown will start the season. As Padre pointed he's the same age as Beck and Parcells has no allegiances. He's looking for his guys. Right now, noone on the roster is his guy other than maybe people that he brought over from Dallas. The one quality that will be in McCown's favor is that I think he is the toughest QB in the entire NFL. The guy got hit so much last year, I literally was looking for someone to call a mercy rule. The amazing thing is he kept getting up and playing on. This guy started over Culpepper when he had a bum ankle a bum finger on his throwing hand and another injury lol. There is something about the guy that certain coaches like. And one thing Parcells loves is toughness. Beck may be tough but he's not as tough as McCown and that's no slight against Beck because noone is. Also He's going to know the playbook backwards and forwards and his experience is going to give him an edge over Beck. But the one thing I'll say is there is a good chance that Beck will play at some point. Parcells has been known to throw in 2nd stringers in the middle of a game just to test how ready they are if called upon

While I hope that John Beck is our starting QB I do think he needs to win the job and I mean really win it. I feel that the FO wants John to be the guy. Why else all this time spent with John and hiring a QB coach before hiring a HC? However John has to show he is much better for two reasons. 1. He has to prove to himself that he can; in his own mind. And 2. It will also cement his leadership with his teammates and, trust me, they will know who really won.

By the way John's QB rating in his last game was 96.4; not bad for the rook.

I prefer Beck because, well, i coddle our draft picks more than FA pickups.

I didnt' adopt Beck, but I can't judge Beck by his performance last year after it came out that Beck ran the scout team last year until Green went down, which is fine. But those idiots that I supported last year, failed to secure another QB for two weeks, therefore Cleo was running the first team, while Beck continued to run the scout team. Idiotic. Then a week or two after that, Cameron, looking for a spark, a flame, anything, threw Beck onto the field desperately searching for his first win. That is akin to a rookie QB holding out for all of offseason, training camp, coming back for the last two weeks, not playing in any of the preseason games, and starting the first game, with some of the teams best offensive weapons gone (Brown and Chambers).

Who could possibly succeed in that situation? Therefore I think it imprudent to judge Beck after his performance last year. And I fully believe he will win the job. We've seen McCown, and he isn't bad, but I expect Beck to be better, therefore win the job.

And I know I didn't adopt Beck, but I'm rooting for the kid to succeed, since I don't see McCown being more than pretty decent. Now who wants to say something about Mauia???