Seven sacks, 14 yards rushing

Jeffy-Jeff. The master architect of Offensive Lines!

Clearly, Tannehills fault.

"PhinGeneral wrote:

This has to be one of, if not THE worst, offensive lines in the history of this franchise. Granted, there have been times this season where they've played pretty well, but I think you could probably say that about any season.

A new Franchise record for sacks allowed would be enough by itself to probably get a spot in the bottom 5 or so, but with their scintillating 14 yards rushing on 12 carries they now have the dishonorable distinction of having 4 (out of 5 or 6) of the worst rushing performances in Franchise history.

Yikes.

LOL! 14 yards on 12 carries. Thats just hilarious. WOW

Tannehill is one tough person to survive this season in tact up to this point

62 sacks allowed right?

"Jt0323 wrote:

Tannehill is one tough person to survive this season in tact up to this point

He certainly can take a hit like few others. Tough as nails.

Yeah good thing we took dion jordan instead of a quality tackle in the draft. Great move ireland.

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This is Chad Henne's fault

"PhinGeneral wrote:

This has to be one of, if not THE worst, offensive lines in the history of this franchise. Granted, there have been times this season where they've played pretty well, but I think you could probably say that about any season.

A new Franchise record for sacks allowed would be enough by itself to probably get a spot in the bottom 5 or so, but with their scintillating 14 yards rushing on 12 carries they now have the dishonorable distinction of having 4 (out of 5 or 6) of the worst rushing performances in Franchise history.

Yikes.

While I understand the line is undermanned, like most are.... Why always resort to *****ing about the gM like you have nothing else to come up with ? Obviously the line held up pretty well the past few weeks, and now one poorly coached performance and your back to bashing the GM without a single intellectual thought as to why we're so inconsistent ? I'm no genius, nor a football expert... But the reasoning here is pretty moronic.

U have a 400 lb over weight fat **** that can't stop eating because he is a pathetic human on the inside to not have any will power to control his eating habits in Jerry, you have a 85 year old Clabo on the right, a 98 year old McKinnie on the Left, a UDFA at LG, Garner who remains on the team year after year but still can't start ahead of the UDFA LG, and Pouncey that is the only one worth a damn.

Ireland, you are a genius. You have done something that no man on earth, or in the universe can. Be a disgrace in your profession, disgrace to the level that is unfathomable and yet you still got a contract extension on top of having your job for 5 years.

I wonder how the line might have played if we had a real coaching staff. The entire blocking scheme is a train wreck, not just bad individual performances. I think as soon as Tannehill got "hurt" it doomed everyone.

Anyone have a better sense than me about the coverage or play calling? Because on several of the sacks it looked like 3 step drops and Tanny just didn't see anyone open. That or they were open and he just didn't see them/didn't throw it. I don't know. And there was at least one sack where Tanny didn't step up in the pocket at all. We can sort out the details later. But there's little question to me that every offensive player was pretty bad.

"P h i N s A N i T y wrote:

While I understand the line is undermanned, like most are.... Why always resort to *****ing about the gM like you have nothing else to come up with ? Obviously the line held up pretty well the past few weeks, and now one poorly coached performance and your back to bashing the GM without a single intellectual thought as to why we're so inconsistent ? I'm no genius, nor a football expert... But the reasoning here is pretty moronic.

I would say their play the last few weeks would be a credit to our coaches who clearly got them to play above their level. They were exposed for who they are today. Really bad. Our OL has 1 maybe 2 quality NFL starters. It's been that way all season.

Jeff had 5 draft picks in the 1st 3 rounds and a boat load of cash to address our OL.

What does he do? He drafts a DE/LB that plays sparingly, 2 corners that barely play, an OL who can't crack the starting lineup of the worst OL in the NFL, brings in 2 garbage LB'ers and spends a boat load of cash on a WR who is maybe a top 20 WR. His answer to replace the #1 pick that he took 6 years ago was to move an emotionally weak OT who was horrible at RT and then bring in a RT who has struggled in our system.

To top that off, he let's Bush go who could actually make plays and replaces him with 2 guys who are not only bad but also can't pick up a blitzing assignment.

Outside of Grimes, every player Ireland replaced unnecessarily has outplayed the person who replaced them. Our team would be better off with Long, Burnett, Bush and Dansby.

"mlb1399 wrote:

I would say their play the last few weeks would be a credit to our coaches who clearly got them to play above their level. They were exposed for who they are today. Really bad. Our OL has 1 maybe 2 quality NFL starters. It's been that way all season.

Jeff had 5 draft picks in the 1st 3 rounds and a boat load of cash to address our OL.

What does he do? He drafts a DE/LB that plays sparingly, 2 corners that barely play, an OL who can't crack the starting lineup of the worst OL in the NFL, brings in 2 garbage LB'ers and spends a boat load of cash on a WR who is maybe a top 20 WR. His answer to replace the #1 pick that he took 6 years ago was to move an emotionally weak OT who was horrible at RT and then bring in a RT who has struggled in our system.

To top that off, he let's Bush go who could actually make plays and replaces him with 2 guys who are not only bad but also can't pick up a blitzing assignment.

Outside of Grimes, every player Ireland replaced unnecessarily has outplayed the person who replaced them. Our team would be better off with Long, Burnett, Bush and Dansby.

Excellent post. Sums it up nicely.

Ireland also assigned DT to block Marcel Darius.

It's not the ****ing talent. That's just regular bad, the team can't have gotten where it has without really bad coaching.

Mike Sherman has a terminal case of Mike Martz disease. He's so in love with the brilliance of his passing concepts he's liable to disappear up his own ******* in response to any numbers of stimuli. Pretty much everything besides going four-wide or empty backfield out of the shotgun on any down, distance, time of game, or situation is a chore and a bore, and in some cases he's downright churlish with it.

If your pass protection is bad, you can't abandon the run. You can't run the ball 25% of the time. You can't consistently line up in situations where it is obvious who your non-linemen blockers are. You can't constantly run 5-man blocking schemes, or 6-man schemes with backs whom cannot block particularly well. You refuse to run screens, draw-plays, or any other type of constraint play. You can't make your play calling so blindly predictable.

If the offensive staff was making every effort it could to mitigate the talent problems, then it's different. That isn't happening, they've done far more actively to make it worse.

"DevilFin13 wrote:

Anyone have a better sense than me about the coverage or play calling? Because on several of the sacks it looked like 3 step drops and Tanny just didn't see anyone open. That or they were open and he just didn't see them/didn't throw it. I don't know. And there was at least one sack where Tanny didn't step up in the pocket at all. We can sort out the details later. But there's little question to me that every offensive player was pretty bad.

Looked like on the play he got hurt Matthews was running up from the slot uncovered. IDK

Right on brother

Check out my thread "Can we stop blaming Ireland now"

"Disgustipate wrote:

It's not the ****ing talent. That's just regular bad, the team can't have gotten where it has without really bad coaching.

Mike Sherman has a terminal case of Mike Martz disease. He's so in love with the brilliance of his passing concepts he's liable to disappear up his own ******* in response to any numbers of stimuli. Pretty much everything besides going four-wide or empty backfield out of the shotgun on any down, distance, time of game, or situation is a chore and a bore, and in some cases he's downright churlish with it.

If your pass protection is bad, you can't abandon the run. You can't run the ball 25% of the time. You can't consistently line up in situations where it is obvious who your non-linemen blockers are. You can't constantly run 5-man blocking schemes, or 6-man schemes with backs whom cannot block particularly well. You refuse to run screens, draw-plays, or any other type of constraint play. You can't make your play calling so blindly predictable.

If the offensive staff was making every effort it could to mitigate the talent problems, then it's different. That isn't happening, they've done far more actively to make it worse.

"Jt0323 wrote:

Tannehill is one tough person to survive this season in tact up to this point

I'm not so sure he really has. He looks horrible when trying to release from the pocket. It's almost as though he is developing anti-instincts to where he no longer evades the rush, but runs right into it. He is slow minded and has 0 feel for the rush. There was at least two sacks where his hot read was wide open and turned and looking for the ball.

I really,really hated the pick and I'm disappointed with his development. We should have drafted Kaepernick instead of Pouncey and Kuechly instead of Tannehill.

"Philbinfan wrote:

I'm not so sure he really has. He looks horrible when trying to release from the pocket. It's almost as though he is developing anti-instincts to where he no longer evades the rush, but runs right into it. He is slow minded and has 0 feel for the rush. There was at least two sacks where his hot read was wide open and turned and looking for the ball.

I really,really hated the pick and I'm disappointed with his development. We should have drafted Kaepernick instead of Pouncey and Kuechly instead of Tannehill.

???

"Philbinfan wrote:

I'm not so sure he really has. He looks horrible when trying to release from the pocket. It's almost as though he is developing anti-instincts to where he no longer evades the rush, but runs right into it. He is slow minded and has 0 feel for the rush. There was at least two sacks where his hot read was wide open and turned and looking for the ball.I really,really hated the pick and I'm disappointed with his development. We should have drafted Kaepernick instead of Pouncey and Kuechly instead of Tannehill.

He's always been like that but he seems to be getting better. The problem is that the pocket seems to collapse in multiple spots so has no where to run but straight ahead.

"Disgustipate wrote:

It's not the ****ing talent. That's just regular bad, the team can't have gotten where it has without really bad coaching.

Mike Sherman has a terminal case of Mike Martz disease. He's so in love with the brilliance of his passing concepts he's liable to disappear up his own ******* in response to any numbers of stimuli. Pretty much everything besides going four-wide or empty backfield out of the shotgun on any down, distance, time of game, or situation is a chore and a bore, and in some cases he's downright churlish with it.

If your pass protection is bad, you can't abandon the run. You can't run the ball 25% of the time. You can't consistently line up in situations where it is obvious who your non-linemen blockers are. You can't constantly run 5-man blocking schemes, or 6-man schemes with backs whom cannot block particularly well. You refuse to run screens, draw-plays, or any other type of constraint play. You can't make your play calling so blindly predictable.

If the offensive staff was making every effort it could to mitigate the talent problems, then it's different. That isn't happening, they've done far more actively to make it worse.

I would like to see Sherman gone, he's part of the problem. That said, we simply don't have the talent on this team to run in the NFL consistently. Our Rbs are backup quality at best and our Oline is a historically bad offensive line. The idea that we should run more is great but the talent is so bad that passing is our only real chance at scoring. Also getting down by more than two scores and not being able to stop the run on the other side forces your hand. The talent to run the ball isn't there, that is clearly on the GM.

"finfansince72 wrote:

I would like to see Sherman gone, he's part of the problem. That said, we simply don't have the talent on this team to run in the NFL consistently. Our Rbs are backup quality at best and our Oline is a historically bad offensive line. The idea that we should run more is great but the talent is so bad that passing is our only real chance at scoring. Also getting down by more than two scores and not being able to stop the run on the other side forces your hand. The talent to run the ball isn't there, that is clearly on the GM.

I don't think either back is starter-quality, but I don't think there are a lot of excuses.

There's no excuse for getting away from the run except in the last part of the 4th quarter in this game, and it's by no means the only time or even the most striking example of the team giving up on the run game for no real coherent reasoning. ****, I don't care if you're getting 1-2 yards a carry, in a lot of these circumstances you still don't stop running the ball like they have. They've also done an atrocious job matching the scheme to the players they have, it doesn't matter if the line can block it or not, or if the back does it well.

Talent?

These guys are superior athletes and able to play in the NFL of all places. Most of us are aware of what it takes to play in the NFL. Sherman calls a play and based on preparation, coaching, film and schemes are implemented by our players. Seems to me it is the coaching that is directly responsible for making sure execution takes place. Based on what I've seen that just does not happen consistently enough to win. After taking a closer look at our assistant coaches I am not surprised. I really don't think it would matter who you inserted into our offensive line. No coaching experience is No coaching experience.

"finfansince72 wrote:

I would like to see Sherman gone, he's part of the problem. That said, we simply don't have the talent on this team to run in the NFL consistently. Our Rbs are backup quality at best and our Oline is a historically bad offensive line. The idea that we should run more is great but the talent is so bad that passing is our only real chance at scoring. Also getting down by more than two scores and not being able to stop the run on the other side forces your hand. The talent to run the ball isn't there, that is clearly on the GM.