Separation of Church and State

The current use and references to God is not supporting ONE SINGULAR religion. The ACLU is a disgrace to American fundamentals. Civil Liberties my backside - they destroy more then they claim to protect.

 

Really? So in the 50's teenaged girls were taking topless pictures of themselves and sending it to their boyfriends in class?

As soon as one loses all sense of modesty, then comes the loss of any sense of propriety, let's do it in the hallways and post it on youporn!

Yah!

And in daoist China, and in Islamic Saudi Arabia, and even in Godless Soviet Union, the idea behind a religion or faith is to mitigate the worst impulses in mankind, of course it will never completely work for every adherent, but that is not for a lack of a foundation, it is mankind ourselves, it is in our nature to do those things.

 

Wow, deep, I want Christianity taught in schools starting at the age of 5, baptisms by the age of 11, and Bible studies for 2 hours a day, everyday..

Fall to your knees and repent if you please shall be the only rule in my perfect school system....



I see a huge difference between acknowledging the role of Faith in the Public Life and Foundations of the US, or the role it has played in the US, both the good and the bad, from the NE Churches running underground railroads for runaway slaves to the pulpits in the Confederacy that whipped up hysteria against emancipation, let the truth speak for itself, but let it speak.

 

Wow, way to miss the point.

There's a huge difference between teaching religion's role in history, and forcing kids to pray, or using a completely unfounded concept as ID as scientific fact, or giving the inclination the government chooses one religion over another.

 

They did not have that ability. However if they did, many would still have. If you look at the history of the US the 50s are the exception to the rule and not the rule. Free love was alive and well in the 1920s.

Also the fact that women couldn't make their own living so being a "****" would hurt their chances of finding a mate and if they couldn't do that then they were chastised and it was harder to survive.

 

I like how we start out discussing separation of church and state, and I post quotes by the Founders concerning religion's role in our GOVERNMENT, and it turns into teaching religion in schools.

Can we just have an honest discussion about the false idea of separation and church and state? It should be obvious to anyone who cares to look that the Founders were completely comfortable, and in fact were advocates, of Christianity in our government.

 

I honestly do not care. The founders were also against a two party system and yet we have one of those. The founders were for slavery and against women's right to vote or even owning property.

Just like many things that happened with the government, they change and morph into entire new meanings. Like the word gay, queer and silly. The Separation of Church and State right now is beyond the founding fathers.

 

There is no such thing as Seperation of Church from State...that is a made up phase to have folks anit-religion rally around...its a political slang!

1st Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (i.e. a Single Fed Govt Religion), or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

God and any reference to or use throughout Govt, is not a Singular Religion sponsorship.

 

You're not exactly right on some of this stuff. The founders weren't necessarily "for" slavery. Jefferson, for instance, wrote many things denouncing slavery. He was a big pusher to have slavery abolished...all while he owned slaves. It is an interesting dichotomy to actually look at the issues that the founders had. We should remember, America, as the founders laid out, was fundamentally different from any country in the history of the world. The founders had an idea for America, and they wrote the blueprint for it. However, they lacked the ability to fully realize all aspects of it during their lives. But, they had the foresight to write a Constitution that gave all men, and women, freedom.

 

It isnt simply a made up phrase, Thomas Jefferson spoke of it, and the Supreme Court has used it on several occasions. It isnt just some nice catch phrase that ant-religion people throw around.

James Madison, who has a better understanding of what the First Amendment means than you or I, talked about it creating a seperation of church and state.

Whether that means we should have no reference to God or not is debatable. But the idea that the Founders didnt want some level of seperation between gov't and religion, in an attempt to protect both of them, is flat wrong.

 

What a wonderful opening for the link I invite all of you to enjoy. I believe it puts into focus that which has just taken place in our country.

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