Sean Sailsbury:Henne will be good, but not Elite Qb.

"NaboCane wrote:

I've often said the same thing about Henne; that he probably would be good but not great. Probably.

I now feel that we'll never really know what Henne could have been. I feel strongly that this staff has wasted his crucial first three offseasons without developing him significantly beyond how he came out of Michigan, and that this may well have "stunted" Henne's development with an impact that will persist throughout his career.

Congratulations to Sparano, Lee, Henning and company on taking a kid with a cannon arm, from a major college program, and failing to develop him in three years much past what he brought to the table to begin with. That's quite a feat.

Eh, disagree, Henne has developed into Gus Frerotte not Brady Quinn, he has retained his accuracy but his decision making process is not up to par.

"If" say Penny wins the next 4 games and then goes down, I would have no qualms if Henne stepped back in as the Starting Qb.

"muscle979 wrote:

I don't agree with that. Pennington is actually a pretty decent scrambler. Chad Henne is not good at buying time when the pocket collapses. A designed rollout is one thing, from what I remember Penny was better at evading rushers long enough to make a play and at actually scrambling for first downs sometimes. He's no Michael Vick but I do think he has more athletic ability. Henne has brought back memories of Drew Bledsoe at times. Just my opinion from watching them play. Penny's arm is weak but his legs work just fine.

I totally agree Pennington is a better QB than Chad Henne. :up:

Henne wishes he was Drew Bledsoe, that QB was AWESOME in his prime. Silly to even compare the two.

The REAL comparrison to Chad Henne is AJ Feeley. Great arm, no pocket presence, no touch on the passes. Although, I think Feeley had better leadership qualities, and better command of the offense then Henne did.

"CashInFist wrote:

I totally agree Pennington is a better QB than Chad Henne. :up:

Henne wishes he was Drew Bledsoe, that QB was AWESOME in his prime. Silly to even compare the two.

The REAL comparrison to Chad Henne is AJ Feeley. Great arm, no pocket presence, no touch on the passes. Although, I think Feeley had better leadership qualities, and better command of the offense then Henne did.

Not even close, Feeley was wildly inaccurate, went down easily and turned the ball over too easily.

"padre31 wrote:

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I referenced this conversation the other day as Sean Sailsbury is one of the very few NFL "analyst" types whose opinion I respect, far more so than Ron Jaworski (who is consistently wrong).

I also agree with his take on Henne being a 18 for 27 type of Qb where I disagree with him is some Qb's learning curve is slower than others, some guys have to play and make small incremental improvements and others get it from Day 1, Henne to me is the former, but if he can keep you in games and learn while doing so his ceiling has not been established.:up:

Audio file at link, listen for yourself

how can you respect anything about sailsbury after he got caught flashing his go workers repeatedly at work and got fired for it....

Henne is the better QB than Feeley, that's not close. You do your best with him until the opportunity to get someone better comes along. Jason Campbell I honestly have to say is an intriguing QB. He has outplayed Henne so far, he's mobile, has a good arm and nowhere near the offensive line. Draft a TE for him like Rudolph, sign Micheal Bush, Leon Washington, and maybe Logan Mankins and I think he'd be a star.

"padre31 wrote:

Eh, disagree, Henne has developed into Gus Frerotte not Brady Quinn, he has retained his accuracy but his decision making process is not up to par.

"If" say Penny wins the next 4 games and then goes down, I would have no qualms if Henne stepped back in as the Starting Qb.

I'm not saying that Henne's terrible or anything. But to be more than a journeyman - to be "the guy" to a team in the NFL, a QB who can put the team on his shoulders and take them above and beyond their limitations, you have to be significantly better than Henne is.

And the core point is that this might forever be beyond Henne's reach because of how this staff has failed to develop him in this crucial initial period of his career.

I don't agree with that. Pennington is actually a pretty decent scrambler. Chad Henne is not good at buying time when the pocket collapses. A designed rollout is one thing, from what I remember Penny was better at evading rushers long enough to make a play and at actually scrambling for first downs sometimes. He's no Michael Vick but I do think he has more athletic ability. Henne has brought back memories of Drew Bledsoe at times. Just my opinion from watching them play. Penny's arm is weak but his legs work just fine.

I totally agree Pennington is a better QB than Chad Henne. :up:

Henne wishes he was Drew Bledsoe, that QB was AWESOME in his prime. Silly to even compare the two.

The REAL comparrison to Chad Henne is AJ Feeley. Great arm, no pocket presence, no touch on the passes. Although, I think Feeley had better leadership qualities, and better command of the offense then Henne did.

That's an insult to Chad Henne. AJ Feeley was Tyler Thigpen without the mobility.

And leadership quality? Really?

Let's put it this way. At this point Henne is Woodley. We're waiting on Marino. Until an excellent QB prospect comes along, Henne should be the guy for better or worse. He can improve over what he is now, I have no doubt about that.

But seriously Jason Campbell I think can be one heck of a QB if given the right tools.

"NaboCane wrote:

I'm not saying that Henne's terrible or anything. But to be more than a journeyman - to be "the guy" to a team in the NFL, a QB who can put the team on his shoulders and take them above and beyond their limitations, you have to be significantly better than Henne is.

And the core point is that this might forever be beyond Henne's reach because of how this staff has failed to develop him in this crucial initial period of his career.

Well, if Ricky and Ronnie were playing better, can the same thing be said?

The collapse of the running game is the most shocking aspect of this season, a young Qb requires a running game to move the offense and it just has not been there this season Nabo.

Now it is fair to ask whether playing great run defending teams that do not defend the pass as well as they do the run plays a part in that, but that is inside Davie stuff that we will never know.

I don't want to disagree with Salisbury because I fear he might come to my house and yell at me.

"R&R_Express wrote:

how can you respect anything about sailsbury after he got caught flashing his go workers repeatedly at work and got fired for it....

As long as Mike Vick is being praised I have no problem with Sean Salisbury's opinions being fodder for discussion.

Especially when there are Dolfans openly advocating to sign Mike Vick..glass houses and stones and all that...

"padre31 wrote:

Well, if Ricky and Ronnie were playing better, can the same thing be said?

The collapse of the running game is the most shocking aspect of this season, a young Qb requires a running game to move the offense and it just has not been there this season Nabo.

Now it is fair to ask whether playing great run defending teams that do not defend the pass as well as they do the run plays a part in that, but that is inside Davie stuff that we will never know.

But that's just a circumstance, and circumstances will change numerous times over a QB's career.

My point is about the big picture of Henne; he may well be ill-equipped to handle whatever comes due to this coaching staff's failure to develop him much past what he was when he came out of college.

"padre31 wrote:

Not even close, Feeley was wildly inaccurate, went down easily and turned the ball over too easily.

Our whole team was one giant s**tturd when we had Feeley. Chad Henne would have gotten injured behind that horrible Oline too. Do you really see Henne coming back and winning that game on Monday Night Football at home against the Cheatriots like Feeley did to save our dignity that year? I sure don't.

Chad Henne = AJ Feeley. Either one is a good backup in the NFL.

Here's the deal. This team needs to establish an identity for what kind of QB they want in the off-season. They need a system, a QB, and a purpose. No more Henne becoming Chad Pennington. No more try be a deep ball offense without a deep ball threat bull****.You want to become a short passing team like the 2004 Patriots? That's fine, get a QB that can do that for you. You want a QB with mobility? Go get that. Just no more random BS. Seneca Wallace? (performed above average for five straight years on five straight crappy teams).

Honestly this should be a job I played wants to play for, not just a little... BADLY. Draft a TE, sign a RB, and a scatback, perhaps sign Mankins. As a quarterback you can't ask for better. You just can't. Bradford is doing that much more with so much less, but that's why he went #1 overall. He's that good. (In fact he's the best QB for this system, well any system then again).

It's funny now when people make post about the young hot QB's in the NFL, Henne is never on the list.

ESPN just had one after Thursdays game.

"NaboCane wrote:

But that's just a circumstance, and circumstances will change numerous times over a QB's career.

My point is about the big picture of Henne; he may well be ill-equipped to handle whatever comes due to this coaching staff's failure to develop him much past what he was when he came out of college.

Well, point out a young Qb, one who you feel is far above Chad Henne, and I'll point to their running game, off hand I cannot think of a single one whose team does not run the football well, for example when Mike Turner was injured and ineffective in Atlanta last season, how did Matt Ryan fare?

I agree with you about the running game, but it's the offensive line that matters even more so. Check out the utter crap Jason Campbell has blocking for him.
LT- Vendeer
LG- Gallery
C- Satele
RG- Carlisle
RT- Walker
That's below average at best, outside of the AFC West. On the other hand he's doing pretty well.

Seneca Wallace
Has John St. Clair as his RT and Robiskie as his 2 WR. The Raiders, Browns, and Jaguars QBs are outperforming Henne with far crappier teams. FAR crappier. It's not just the running game. Henne is at fault.

There are other options available that could push Henne.

"Jaj wrote:

Here's the deal. This team needs to establish an identity for what kind of QB they want in the off-season. They need a system, a QB, and a purpose. No more Henne becoming Chad Pennington. No more try be a deep ball offense without a deep ball threat bull****.You want to become a short passing team like the 2004 Patriots? That's fine, get a QB that can do that for you. You want a QB with mobility? Go get that. Just no more random BS. Seneca Wallace? (performed above average for five straight years on five straight crappy teams).

Honestly this should be a job I played wants to play for, not just a little... BADLY. Draft a TE, sign a RB, and a scatback, perhaps sign Mankins. As a quarterback you can't ask for better. You just can't. Bradford is doing that much more with so much less, but that's why he went #1 overall. He's that good. (In fact he's the best QB for this system, well any system then again).

Bravo, great post.

And I do like Campbell, always have.

"CashInFist wrote:

Our whole team was one giant s**tturd that when we had Feeley. Chad Henne would have gotten injured behind that horrible Oline too. Do you really see Henne coming back and winning that game on Monday Night Football at home against the Cheatriots like Feeley did to save our dignity that year? I sure don't.

Chad Henne = AJ Feeley. Either one is a good backup in the NFL.

Notice, 4th and 10 and Feeley threw that ball up as he was being sacked?

Henne has lead us to wins over playoffs teams in 09, he is far better than AJ Feeley.

Well that sucks, I cut and pasted the youtube link and it did not show up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_e73yNAQGk

"Jaj wrote:

I agree with you about the running game, but it's the offensive line that matters even more so. Check out the utter crap Jason Campbell has blocking for him.
LT- Vendeer
LG- Gallery
C- Satele
RG- Carlisle
RT- Walker
That's below average at best, outside of the AFC West. On the other hand he's doing pretty well.

Seneca Wallace
Has John St. Clair as his RT and Robiskie as his 2 WR. The Raiders, Browns, and Jaguars QBs are outperforming Henne with far crappier teams. FAR crappier. It's not just the running game. Henne is at fault.

There are other options available that could push Henne.

Brownies Oline:

Thomas
Steinbach
Mack

Alex Mack is easily the best young Center in the Game and Thomas is rivaling Big Jake for perinniel All Pro LT honors.

Look at the right side...

"padre31 wrote:

Well, point out a young Qb, one who you feel is far above Chad Henne, and I'll point to their running game, off hand I cannot think of a single one whose team does not run the football well, for example when Mike Turner was injured and ineffective in Atlanta last season, how did Matt Ryan fare?

I think we have better RB's then these teams and their QB's are better then Henne.

Rogers in GB
Freeman in TB
Kolb in PHI
Orten in DEN

"Jaj wrote:

Look at the right side...

I'm not much of a Cleveland fan Bro, at least not enough of one to bother learning who plays on the right side of their Oline, I'd guess PorkChop Womack is the Guard?

:D

Notice they also added Ben Watson and he is having a surprisingly good season, even with Colt McCoy throwing him the ball for TD's...

Watson would have been a nice addition really nice as the next David Martin.
WOW HOW BAD DOES THAT 2004 OL suck....
Worst part is that the 2003 Dolphins that didn't make the playoffs with this OL we have today would probably have been 13-3.

For playing some tough competition they deserve some praise (hopefully they don't get destroyed by Tennessee's pass rush).