Salguero: Ireland told his job is safe

It's not a contradiction. The fact that Jeff would go on that plane flight with Stephen Ross and do something that he knows is not professional just shows how UNprofessional he is. We have another instance of this with him cutting Karlos Dansby over the phone and not in person. How many more examples of Jeff's lack of professionalism to we need to see before it is deemed that he is no a professional?

Basically, Jeff Ireland is all about self preservation.

 

I don't really care who was responsible for the final decision during the first three years. HE WAS A PART OF THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS, so it makes him culpable for the decisions that were made in those first three years on the job.

 

You just don't like the guy.

 

OK. So point out what I have said about him that lacks any merit?

 

Pretty much all of it lacks merit.

 

Say what?

 

Exactly.

You know, apparently asking a prospect if his mother is a whore is the professional thing to do. Actively helping your owner recruit a coach before you have fired the current coach is professional. Paying off an individual to keep quiet about a player who sexually harassed her and then keeping that player on the roster is professional. Not meeting with Karlos Dansby face to face to let him know that he was being cut is the professional way of handling that.

 

Cutting a player who is not in the state over the phone. That is pretty much a standard practice.

Heck, Trent Richardson found out he was traded because his friend called him because he heard it on the radio. That was during the season and he was in Cleveland.

 

And exactly how is that standard practice? Just because Mike Lombardi is another ******* doesn't make it OK for Jeff to be one as well.

 

How exactly is that NOT standard practice? Stories like this come out all the time.

 

Examples?

Or better yet, do you think Don Shula just called the player up to let him know he was cut?

Did Jimmy Johnson call Jack Del Rio up to cut him? No.

 

Do you think Don Shula flew out to his house to cut him?

Jack Del Rio was cut in August.

 

Old news, old news and old news. None of that affects the teams ability to perform on the field and the fact that you continue to bring it up, among other things, shows how weak your argument is.

 

The fact that I still think Ireland didn't do anything wrong with asking if his mother was a prostitute. Why didn't Dez say what his mom did? "My dad is a pimp. Oh my mom worked for my dad." I guess Jeff Ireland was supposed to think she was a secretary.

 

Oh my fricking gawd. You are impossible. Do you think Ireland calls up Ross for permission to cut a player, say for example, Clyde Gates? "Hey Mr Ross, I would like to cut Clyde Gates, may I have your permission?" Does Philbin call Ross, and say for example: " Hey Mr Ross, I'd like to start Sam Brenner at LG, may I have your permission to do so?" IMO, if you think those or similar scenarios take place, you are either seriously deluded, or just like to argue to increase the number of hits the thread and web site gets.

 

No, Ireland calls Dawn Aponte most likely. If him and Aponte don't agree, then he probably goes to Ross with his case.

 

Do you think Ireland is just out there cutting players that Philbin wants to keep without Ross being consulted? Do you think Philbin is walking around the facility livid about Ireland cutting his favorite players (or forcing him to play players he hates) and doesn't say anything to Ross about it?

 

I don't think that's fair, a couple of overrules here overrules there can switch up a good draft to a bad draft like that.

The season is not over, the judgements are still in play..

 

I think you are way out in left field.

 

So he should have put his job on the line by not doing what his boss said? I don't see how that is a good idea.

Also its likely Dansby wasn't in the state. I dont see how cutting him via phone is unprofessional. If I was fired via phone, I wouldnt give a rats ***.

 

How? Aponte controls the budget. Anything that affects the budget (like cutting a player) would logically require her consultation.

 

Women have been assistant pimps. The right, respectful thing for Ireland to ask is what his mom did for his dad. Period. You don't ask another man if his mom is a hooker under any circumstance. You can't ask a worse question in the world.

 

He should have done the right thing by advising his boss, in this high profile business, this is going to look bad. So you at least need to tell Tony, and not let him find out on ESPN, or fire him first. Bill Cowher was disgusted by the episode and Ross likes big names. You tell Ross he's going to chase away the big names and he'll listen.

And that brings us back to your first sentence. Ireland is all about self-preservation which is fine to a point. A man has to have standards.

 

How do you know that?

There are plenty of worse questions. Dez Bryant acted like a child.

 

Not to necessarily disagree with that...

But it is baffling how much grief Ireland receives over that question, yet the majority of people would take Dez Bryant on the Miami Dolphins, despite him actually physically assaulting his own mother (which is 10000x worse than any question that could be asked).

 

The reason Fisher turned down the coaching job was that he wanted some say so in personnel and Ross would not waver from Ireland having final authority.

 

Ireland doesn't catch touchdowns.

 

Dawn Aponte controls the football budget. There is no actual evidence supporting the theory that Jeff Ireland has "final say" (which is extremely ambiguous on its face). Either way, Fisher wanted "final say", which Stephen Ross apparently will not grant to anyone solely.

 

Yes, you can.

 

Keep believing what you want.

 

What exactly does that mean? Can you actually provide evidence that Aponte doesn't control the football budget?

 

It means I am tired of arguing with you. Ireland has final say so on personnel. Aponte negotiates contracts. All you ever usually do is annoy me. It's too bad I cannot use the Ignore feature.

 

Actually there is evidence that Ireland has final roster say so. It's the only way he could leave the Cowboys.

 

Right, and he's under a different contract at this point. The language is what is key there. "Final roster say" is extremely ambiguous.

The Miami Dolphins have stated that Dawn Aponte controls the football budget. That inherently entails control over the roster. I'm not sure how that can be reconciled with someone else having "final say".

 

Yes. That pretty much sums it up.

 

It would have shown integrity. If he felt he could stand on his record, he would have refused and risked his job to do the right thing. What he should have done was convince Ross to go ahead and fire tony first

 

How do we know he didn't try and convince Ross? There is absolutely no way to know that. When it comes down to keeping your job, everyone goes into some sort of self preservation mode unless its something entirely sleezy.

Ross didn't ask him to kill babies.

 

He did betray a person who was suppose to be his friend. But hey, you're correct. No one was killed.

 

There is no evidence for it and it is ridiculous on its face. Do you really believe Philbin is such a spineless pu$$y that Ireland is out there ditching his favorite players and forcing him to play players Philbin has no confidence in and Philbin is afraid to go to Ross about that? I'm not a big Philbin fan, but I can't imagine that he is so pathetically weak and ball-less to silently put up with that. If that is what is happening, Philbin lacks the stones to be a head coach (or even a man).

 

That in itself should be a problem. I'm not sure I want my GM and Coach to be friends. I mean, you obviously want a working relationship but I think a friendship might just complicate things.