Salguero: Dolphins unlikely to fire Ireland

That certainly sounds like he deserves another offseason.
Especially one as critical as this one will be.

 

NOt sure how that track record deserves more resources sent its way.

If he were a money mamanger, would you send more money than ever to him this year if he'd been out-perfromed (was just as shown) by other money managers?

I guess if you believed in him for some reason OTHER than the stats quoted. I don't have any other reason to feel like Jeff Ireland is gonna have a great season, but I'm honestly curious, is there something about IReland that makes you have faith in his ability despite the kind of stats just quoted?

 

Wait. Never mind, it sounds like you are actually anti-Ireland and I mis-interpreted your post.

 

Yeah. That was sarcasm.
Your money manager analogy hits the nail on the head.
My investor has pissed away my money for 4 years, so in the 5th year I'm gonna give him more money?

 

Actually, yes the majority of venture capital projects end up as failures; the average portfolio underperforms the market; etc. And the same people responsible continually get more opportunity.

 

If you say so.
Doesn't mean you have to be stupid enough to do it. Instead, you could try and find someone who is better with your money. Especially in a year where you may have come across some extra money you're looking to invest.

 

Stupid enough to what exactly? Those seeking the highest profits are generally the ones losing the most money. That is exactly my point here.

 

What holes did we fill last offseason? Or secondary is still bottom of the league. We lost a 100 catch WR and didn't replace him. We didn't find a TE. Our expensive O-Line that makes double the $$$ of the Patriots' line still has holes. We don't have a consistent backup RB.

4 straight losing seasons, a franchise record... and oh yeah, we're behind the Mark Sanchez led Jets in the standings (and technically behind the Bills as well for now). Keep up the good work?

 

HOLES!!! Come on, we create them not fill them. Get it right, Batman!

 

So it's OK that Jeff Ireland is going to piss away a bunch of draft picks and cap space because we have lots of them?
Makes sense.

 

Firing him won't inherently change the outcome. It could be Jeff Ireland, John Doe, Johnny Appleseed, or Burt Reynolds. Pissing picks away isnt OK, but its the norm and simply wishing it will change by hiring a new GM is the same linear thinking that fails as often as Jeff Ireland has.

 

This is the EXACT line of thinking that led to the Dolphins trying to win with Jay Fiedler for four seasons. To a T.

 

How could you reach that conclusion, when I made it clear I'm indifferent? Firing Ireland doesn't change the reality that people will be on this forum complaining about an average team regardless of who the GM is. The histrionics will just be directed toward elsewhere. Maybe we can all sit here and rip Mike Sherman next year if we have a new GM???

 

And that doesn't make sense because....?

Yeah, if your team is BAD (you continue to use the term 'mediocre' inappropriately) then there are reasons. Those reasons are going to be identified and decried. Why? Because the fans want the team to be good.

What are you becoming, a nihilist? In the end, why do anything? Why talk about anything? Why exist?

 

So the next GM might not be good. So that means we shouldn't fire the one that we know isn't good? Really? Do you go through your daily life like this?
So if your girlfriend/wife cheats on you, would you dump her? Or would just keep her, because, you know, your next girlfriend might do the same thing?
It makes no sense bro.

 

He's stared into the Dolphins, and they've stared into him.....

 

No, its not that he might not be good, its that he most likely will not be good. The sooner you can accept it the better.

 

He's got "Status Quo" tattooed in Old English on his back.

 

Yes, I'm a nihilist, which is why I watch sports. Makes sense.

Again, my point is that the problems that exist in the game aren't solved. Every team has major problems. Success isn't based on linear decision making

 

Holy crap man. How the hell do you know that, cuz I don't.
What I do know is the one we have is crap.

 

Because history has proven the majority of NFL GMs to be average or worse? You are hoping to defy the odds, the same way Jeff Ireland is hoping to defy the odds and have a great draft or find an elite QB, or the way he defied the odds to find Cameron Wake when and how he did.

 

This is true of everything in life in which we participate.

The plan is to outperform the average, whether in selecting a runningback, or hiring a GM, or anything.

 

Well I think everyone knows how I feel about this

 

I can't argue with you anymore because your logic make no sense.

 

I know and everytime I see posts alluding to this my jaw just drops open......truly Blind Homers.

 

They didn't fix it either.

 

well said

 

I'll take over and argue with him for a bit.

 

Then why are so many so intent on keeping Ireland here ? The very thought of he having any culpability in the mediocrity we have is infuriating to them.

We are going to have a non-winning season for the 4th year in a row. That ties a 43 year old franchise record. Read that again - 43 years ! In more than 4 decades this team has not had 4 losing seasons in a row. That is unmatched in the NFL since the merger in 1970. Not even the Pittsburgh Steelers can match that record.

 

This is a bs argument.

The vent cap game is investing in a different market and different way than the publicly traded stock markets.

The risk level and returns acceptable in one are different for the other.

So you want Ireland to hit things at the rate of return a vent cap guy does while all others perform to the standard of investing in publicly traded stocks? That makes no sense as a comparison.

Not to mention, vent cap is about hitting the home run... You aren't shooting for a 7% annual return... You have way way more upside, thus the higher risk and thus the acceptable low hit rates on investments.

Ireland doesn't invest like a vent cap guy.

He invests like a treasury bonds holder.

 

The interesting thing will be when we get rid of Ireland, and hopefully get a better GM... If we start to consistently win, and even make the playoffs... What will Ireland apologists say of Ireland's tenure?

That he laid the foundations, I suppose. Which isn't entirely untrue.

Likes communism, Ireland is only good at providing the basics.

 

Replace "venture capital" with "retail investor" or mutual fund if that makes it easier foe you.

 

What % of people do you believe outperform the average?

 

It's because you could be afraid of change. You know Ireland, and your comfortable with him.

or

You want to hold out hope in him, because you believed in him and Parcells and just can't believe they didn't do the job they were supposed to do.

or

Something else.......I don't know, because I can't explain it. I saw the light 2 years ago and I used to be like you, but the switch turned on for me when I saw him get on that plane with Ross. That was just the wrong thing to do. Sparano was his friend and you just don't turn Judas like that on a friend.

 

Exactly the last 3 years have been about as bad as the Parcells time.

He needs to go - but I am already resigned to Ross keeping him......and his ****ing up this years free agency and draft, and we'll be in ruins (like KC) by the time Ross finally fires him.

 

Michael Egnew over TY Hilton who would have been close to PERFECT for Philbin's offense. Case closed.

 

Come on, lets not act like finding Cam Wake was such an accomplishment for Jeff Ireland, and Bill Parcells. It's not like Wake was this big secret nobody knew about. He was in the NFL before, its obvious he has the physical tools, it just didnt come together on the field for him, he ended up out of the league, and into the CFL where he consistently tore it up. It's not like this was some super secret gem at that time that Jeff was so sneaky about finding, and getting, and keeping a secret. Other teams wanted this guy, everyone could see his ability physically, then see him performing, sure it was the CFL, but its football, you can learn alot about a player watching them, Jeff wasn't the only one after him. Lets not act like this was some act of god by Ireland.

 

It's a perfect analogy actually.

Well Ireland supporters where is your answer ?

 

I believe Wake had 4 other teams offer him a contract as well. The Dolphins just offered him the most. Bess also had multiple offers after the draft, and he chose the Dolphins because he thought the WR squad was the weakest and he had the greatest chance to stick here.