2/6 = 0.33333repeating..... There's plenty of blame to go around of why the Miami Dolphins just lost another game, but this is the biggest reason this team is 1-3 instead of 3-1. It doesn't matter at all whose fault they are, the turnover ratio will always be almost a perfect correlation to winning. This thread isn't to disparage Tannehill. He played a phenomenal game outside of the 2 picks. He'll only get better and he already looks pretty damn good. But he's a rookie and he's going to make rookie mistakes. As fans we have to be patient. If Ryan gets better and improves that ratio, this season will not be for nothing no matter how the wins and losses stack up. It's another heartbreaking loss but the offensive coaching was great once again, and Tannehill flashed a lot of franchise talent.
I agree hes a rookie so expect some int's as he learns to read defenses.. However what he needs to do is stop doing it at the WORST possible times..
I disagree about this being the biggest reason we're 1-3. Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G using Tapatalk.
Are you going to update your signature with Brian Hartline? If his touchdown to int ratio was 6 to 2, I think Miami would be 3-1. Tannehill has a lot of room for improvement. Which I am confident he will succeed.
Not being able to shut down the opposing offense late in the game is one reason. Allowing a TD on 4th and 10 in unacceptable.
Our defense not being able to stop a 4th and 10. Also our FG kicker is awful. Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G using Tapatalk.
I disagree as well. Our defense negated those 2 INTs with 2 of their own. Last week we also Intercepted the ball twice, while only throwing one. Last 2 games INTs have been +1 for us. When you take that out, you have the 3 fumbles and the 3 missed Field Goals separating us from a 3-1 record.
The last 2 loses are on Dan Carpenter, PERIOD. Tannehill isnt looking outstanding but he definately is looking like he' learning fast. His play today compaired to last week and the week before is leaps and bounds. He's making chicken salad out of chicken sh*t (our recievers) and thats commendable.
I understand your point and agree that the turnover differential has really hurt us. I don't think you can chalk up either of his picks today to the fact that he's a rookie, however. His receiver fell down on one and he got crushed on the other. Tom Brady would have thrown picks in the same circumstances.
Right, but that drive was off a turnover. And the game winning field goal was off the interception. Again, put aside whose fault the turnovers were but they killed the chances to win today.
A horrible Wr who wears #19, a below average secondary, bad playcalling late in the 4th, a kicker who used to be the reason we were ever in games who misses kicks. Tanne's gonna have INT's but he is not the reason we are losing.
It was his fault last week, but you can't blame this loss on Carpenter. He missed a 51 yard FG with plenty of time left in the game. The Dolphins were in position to win and their D couldn't get off the field.
Tanny's TD INT ratio could easily be very different. I don't think it is a very accurate reflection to his play this season.
Last week it was the inability to run the ball late. Same thing this week, but I'd say poor pass protection was equally culpable. Carpenter cant make a FG outside of 40 yards, that hurts too.
Also of those 6 INTs, you have to take into account that 2 were from tipped passes at the line; one came from a WR falling down on a comeback route; and another came from a QB hit as he threw. That's 4 of the 6 who are more or less unlucky.
You make a good point, but keep in mind this thread isn't to lay blame on Tannehill. It's to demonstrate how important the turnover ratio - specifically the TD/INT ratio is to winning and losing. The INTs today might not have been rookie mistakes, but his ratio overall probably has something to do with him being a rookie, especially the Houston game. I can crunch the numbers tomorrow if necessary, or you can trust me when I say TD/INT ratio is always going to correlate higher with winning than missed field goals.
He's going to throw a lot of picks and that certainly turns into bad things but he's not the only reason we are losing. We haven't had two 100 yard receivers in the same game in over a decade. Brian Hartline 245 yards of his own. I don't see Matt Moore doing that...And I still see Matt Moore throwing picks.
Yeah, but I'm not trying to blame anyone specifically for the turnovers so that's a moot point. The turnovers happened and they killed us.
Not having enough playmakers on the roster is the biggest reason we have a 1-3 record. THill will take his expected lumps this year, but he is ahead of what everyone truly thought he would be at this juncture of the season. I'm just confident that Philbin will continue to have little confidence in Jeffy. Thus going straight to Ross after our last game to get him the hell outta here.
That's an argument you can make, but I'm trying to limit it to what's happening on the football field.
The 2 picks from today werent concerning to me. His WR slips after he throws the ball, and its picked. Tanny cant do anything about that after he has already released the ball. And the other one he got hit while throwing. Neither were bad decisions, or the concerning type of INT.
Brandon Weeden is 3/7 and he's got similar issues. Nothings gonna change when you have to execute perfectly all the time.
I don't know if some people are only reading the thread title or just aren't comprehending what I'm saying. I'm not pinning this loss on Tannehill or saying the interceptions are his fault. I'm just pointing out how highly TD/INT ratio correlates with winning and how the 2/6 ratio explains a lot about why this team is 1-3.
Another thing, Tannehill is boosting Heartline BIG TIME. Heartline is a 3rd WR at best. He is putting monster numbers because Tannehill is throwing to Heartlines strength. His short pass accuracy and his ability to throw the back shoulder comeback is making Heartline seem like a monster. Bess is also benefiting from the same short pass quick pass strength of Tannehill. Bottom line, we still have 2 3rd type WRs. Albeit 2 very good 3rd types, but they remain 3rd types. They are not Alphas, and they are not Red Zone receivers, and they are not deep threats.
Technically if carpenter makes 2 kicks he's capable of we are 3-1. 8 sacks 2 ints 400 yards throwing, and career bests, and we still lose the best game I've probably seen ever. Carpenter is the leggy nannee of the kicking world atm. Spin it anyway you want, those kicks were W's. Period. The last thing I care about are the td int ratios atm. MAKE THE ****ING KICKS
So the point should not be the INTs then. Because if we agree the majority were from more or less bad luck, and that bad luck can still happen to a good team, then we need to blame our lack of talent to overcome adversity.
Have to disagree. Add the 3 points that should have been on the board and we never would have went to overtime.
If it weren't for turnovers Carpenter never has to make long field goals in pressure situations to win the game. It's the turnovers that put the team in those situations.
My view of Tanneyhill is that he is a rookie, therefore I expect him to make some rookie mistakes. What I didn't expect was that he would progress as much as he has over the past four games. I am sure he will still have some games this season in which he makes more rookie mistakes which might even cost the Dolphins a victory or two. Honestly I am not worried about this season. All I want is for the Dolphins and Tanneyhill to show consistent improvement as this season goes along. With all the draft picks the Dolphins have in the 2013 draft, and the possibility of signing an impact free agent in the secondary or at WR, I feel that the Dolphins will be a team to contend with starting with the 2013 season. I always thought that it would take the Dolphins 3-4 years more to be a playoff contender because I thought Tanneyhill would take a few years to develop. I will admit I was wrong about Tanneyhill and if he continues to grow as an NFL QB, and he is surrounded with more talented skill players next year. I can easily see the Dolphins being a playoff team in 2013. Of course the Dolphin have to do something to upgrade this secondary. To me the secondary is the primary weak spot on the entire team. They just continue to give up far too many plays, game after game.
It's all situational and we never get the ball to spin our way. That's the stigma that comes with the team. Being that he was the only guy we could depend on for a long time I'm putting it 100% on him. No ifs ands or buts. He's made these kicks in his sleep and choking when it mattered. Either side of the ball could have done differetly, make the kicks you get paid to make and they were still wins. And the no stress aspect of this kick should have been another reason to make it.
If you throw 2 INTs but also throw 3 TDs, like many top QBs do, you can still win, and most likely will win. So the point isn't really that the INTs are costing us, but that we do not have enough talent to also throw 3 TDs to balance it out.